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driftwood


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PostPosted: Thu May 04, 2017 12:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

incognito_man wrote:
i feel like i remember never liking bedard


he tended to be overly critical for sure but i didn't mind him too much... it certainly didn't feel like he had an axe to grind or anything, but rather just really high standards of production?
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PostPosted: Thu May 04, 2017 6:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dont care if they are critical, cannot be like that MN guy forget his name, every team has weaknesses, but having an agenda I mean the cops were putting together clues in his articles if TT every disappeared.
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http://mmqb.si.com/mmqb/2017/05/16/nfl-rookie-contracts-fine-print

Former Packers cap guru, Andrew Brandt, with an interesting article on the fine print of rookie deals and this snippet on recently retired Bob McGinn

" Many of us at the Packers felt that we were working for a public trust, and that we needed to act with that in mind at all times. Bob treated his job the same way.
He was a grinder whose coverage never lacked for thoroughness. And not only did his vast reader base look forward to Bob’s positional grades for the game every week,
we did so at the Packers as well ! "


I imagine they were a source of some humor, some agreement and some derision, not unlike the comments in this thread.
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PostPosted: Fri May 19, 2017 9:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mo-Cheese-Mo wrote:
Shanedorf wrote:
"McGinn is a hack" is a fairly popular meme, both here and elsewhere
But many of you have no sources, put in zero homework, invest little effort, no links, no sources and just spew your opinions, yet somehow look down your noses at a professional journalist ? laughable

McGinn isn't perfect nor is he always correct, but if we apply the same criteria to most of the authors here, they'd pale in comparison.

Take his work for what its worth and if you think you can do better, then please have at it, we'd all be better off for the time and effort you invest in making a high quality post for us to read.

Otherwise, STFU with your ripping, it brings nothing to the table and any monkey can do it.

Agreed!
At least McGinn has the guts to say it as it is at times. There are far too many media members in Wisconsin that post nothing but cheerleading, homer fluff.
MCGinn quite often gives us an much need critical perspective.


Eh, I really enjoy reading McGinn's stuff from scouts, ect and i think he is knowledgeable about the NFL and especialyl the Green Bay Packers. That said, it really gets old when he feels the need to constantly project his opinion of how the packers should run the organization. I guess I'm one of those who feels it's his job to report the facts, not his opinions.
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wgbeethree wrote:
Cadmus wrote:
driftwood wrote:
Shanedorf wrote:
"McGinn is a hack" is a fairly popular meme, both here and elsewhere
But many of you have no sources, put in zero homework, invest little effort, no links, no sources and just spew your opinions, yet somehow look down your noses at a professional journalist ? laughable

McGinn isn't perfect nor is he always correct, but if we apply the same criteria to most of the authors here, they'd pale in comparison.

Take his work for what its worth and if you think you can do better, then please have at it, we'd all be better off for the time and effort you invest in making a high quality post for us to read.

Otherwise, STFU with your ripping, it brings nothing to the table and any monkey can do it.


hes basically the only local beat writer to take heat & there is a very good reason for it (& it has nothing to do with his mock drafts)...

nobody here spews consistent hate about nagler, dimovsky, silverstien, wood, wes hod, cohen, wilde, ect... mcginn is just a bitter ahole with sources now & if you cant see that with his articles over the last 10 years then its on you


Nagler is a total hack, as are most of the people he talks to.

Most of the Gannett writers are subpar, but what do you expect in such a small market?

Dunne was the one Packers beat writer that could actually convey a compelling story and now he's gone. The only other writers who can get close to that level (on occasion) are Wood and Hod. The problem is that only one of them still works for Gannett.

Just remember to use these writers purely as a source of information and not as a source of football analysis because they will definitely let you down if you expect the latter.


Nagler's living the dream. He's a good guy and really never has claimed to be super knowledgable. He's just a fan with a platform. He turned what was really just talking Packers with a buddy in front of a cam in his spare room/time into a legit gig with hustle and want. Good for him.


Really? Nagler comes off as very condescending about football, packers, and in general to me.

I do enjoy his cut ups and some of his insight, however.

Also, Nagler, we get it, you have political opinions, you drink, and live in NYC. I don't need to constantly hear/read about them.
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PostPosted: Fri May 19, 2017 10:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

BobSacamano wrote:

Really? Nagler comes off as very condescending about football, packers, and in general to me.

I do enjoy his cut ups and some of his insight, however.

Also, Nagler, we get it, you have political opinions, you drink, and live in NYC. I don't need to constantly hear/read about them.


Just about what I think of him. He does try so hard though, bless his little heart.
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PostPosted: Fri May 19, 2017 11:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nagler was the one who posted that post-draft meltdown where the guys trash a room and call Thompson a nazi-[inappropriate/removed] jew after the Harrell pick
It was a staged faux outrage, but that's the kind of crapola Nagler was peddling early in his career

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_dBns0i2vw

Mr Nagler was also an early proponent of the concept that "Rodgers wasn't clutch" and that "MM needed to go".
There are any number of idiotic topics that Nagler pushed, perhaps to drive ratings at the fledgling CHTV.

He's a self-important doofus, but that's hardly a crime and he's done quite well for himself given his limited skill set.
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PostPosted: Fri May 19, 2017 2:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shanedorf wrote:


He's a self-important doofus, but that's hardly a crime and he's done quite well for himself given his limited skill set.


I don't want to prosecute him, though I don't mind persecuting him.
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Can't find where we discussed how TT shut out Bob and that's why he turned so hard on him and it was obvious he didn't like the Favre decision.

Quote:
The MMQB: Over the years you’ve told me you liked dealing with Favre and [GM] Ron Wolf. Why?
McGinn: “That whole team was fun. Favre gave me so much time—after games, after practice, walking out to the buses. He knew every play. Photographic memory. Wolf returned every call. I don’t know if any writer could have ever had a better relationship with a GM than I had with Wolf. Returned every call. Bob, Ron Wolf. He’d [inappropriate/removed] about something for the first 20 minutes. Why the f---! How could you write that s---? That’s BS! That’s contrary to what I told you. I would hold my breath for 45 seconds and let him rant and then you know what he said? Okay, what do you need? And there was no grudge. When a historian goes back and reads our paper for those nine years, that historian will find Ron Wolf explained everything every day! And he came from Al Davis! The paranoia!”


I think that's obvious now.


https://mmqb.si.com/mmqb/2017/06/13/themmqb-exit-interview-bob-mcginn-green-bay-packers-milwaukee-journal-sentinel-nfl-beat-writer


There's the whole interview. Not a McGinn guy but I thought it was good, some good stuff at the end there too.
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NormSizedMidget wrote:
Can't find where we discussed how TT shut out Bob and that's why he turned so hard on him and it was obvious he didn't like the Favre decision.

Quote:
The MMQB: Over the years you’ve told me you liked dealing with Favre and [GM] Ron Wolf. Why?
McGinn: “That whole team was fun. Favre gave me so much time—after games, after practice, walking out to the buses. He knew every play. Photographic memory. Wolf returned every call. I don’t know if any writer could have ever had a better relationship with a GM than I had with Wolf. Returned every call. Bob, Ron Wolf. He’d [inappropriate/removed] about something for the first 20 minutes. Why the f---! How could you write that s---? That’s BS! That’s contrary to what I told you. I would hold my breath for 45 seconds and let him rant and then you know what he said? Okay, what do you need? And there was no grudge. When a historian goes back and reads our paper for those nine years, that historian will find Ron Wolf explained everything every day! And he came from Al Davis! The paranoia!”


I think that's obvious now.


https://mmqb.si.com/mmqb/2017/06/13/themmqb-exit-interview-bob-mcginn-green-bay-packers-milwaukee-journal-sentinel-nfl-beat-writer


There's the whole interview. Not a McGinn guy but I thought it was good, some good stuff at the end there too.


I kind of felt like McGinn would rather sit around and complain about lack of access to the Packers players/organization than do his job and get the access himself.
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BobSacamano wrote:
NormSizedMidget wrote:
Can't find where we discussed how TT shut out Bob and that's why he turned so hard on him and it was obvious he didn't like the Favre decision.

Quote:
The MMQB: Over the years you’ve told me you liked dealing with Favre and [GM] Ron Wolf. Why?
McGinn: “That whole team was fun. Favre gave me so much time—after games, after practice, walking out to the buses. He knew every play. Photographic memory. Wolf returned every call. I don’t know if any writer could have ever had a better relationship with a GM than I had with Wolf. Returned every call. Bob, Ron Wolf. He’d [inappropriate/removed] about something for the first 20 minutes. Why the f---! How could you write that s---? That’s BS! That’s contrary to what I told you. I would hold my breath for 45 seconds and let him rant and then you know what he said? Okay, what do you need? And there was no grudge. When a historian goes back and reads our paper for those nine years, that historian will find Ron Wolf explained everything every day! And he came from Al Davis! The paranoia!”


I think that's obvious now.


https://mmqb.si.com/mmqb/2017/06/13/themmqb-exit-interview-bob-mcginn-green-bay-packers-milwaukee-journal-sentinel-nfl-beat-writer


There's the whole interview. Not a McGinn guy but I thought it was good, some good stuff at the end there too.


I kind of felt like McGinn would rather sit around and complain about lack of access to the Packers players/organization than do his job and get the access himself.


There's no "gaining access" to the Packers anymore. There's no question at all that since the Harlan/Wolf era ended and the TT/Murphy era started the access to the team has been made far more difficult and the message coming from GB is far more controlled.

The local TV guys and radio guys constantly talk about it. Access to guys in the locker room, access in the stadium on game day, all of it under tons of restriction now. I could see being an old timer and being frustrated by it.
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Packerraymond wrote:
BobSacamano wrote:
NormSizedMidget wrote:
Can't find where we discussed how TT shut out Bob and that's why he turned so hard on him and it was obvious he didn't like the Favre decision.

Quote:
The MMQB: Over the years you’ve told me you liked dealing with Favre and [GM] Ron Wolf. Why?
McGinn: “That whole team was fun. Favre gave me so much time—after games, after practice, walking out to the buses. He knew every play. Photographic memory. Wolf returned every call. I don’t know if any writer could have ever had a better relationship with a GM than I had with Wolf. Returned every call. Bob, Ron Wolf. He’d [inappropriate/removed] about something for the first 20 minutes. Why the f---! How could you write that s---? That’s BS! That’s contrary to what I told you. I would hold my breath for 45 seconds and let him rant and then you know what he said? Okay, what do you need? And there was no grudge. When a historian goes back and reads our paper for those nine years, that historian will find Ron Wolf explained everything every day! And he came from Al Davis! The paranoia!”


I think that's obvious now.


https://mmqb.si.com/mmqb/2017/06/13/themmqb-exit-interview-bob-mcginn-green-bay-packers-milwaukee-journal-sentinel-nfl-beat-writer


There's the whole interview. Not a McGinn guy but I thought it was good, some good stuff at the end there too.


I kind of felt like McGinn would rather sit around and complain about lack of access to the Packers players/organization than do his job and get the access himself.


There's no "gaining access" to the Packers anymore. There's no question at all that since the Harlan/Wolf era ended and the TT/Murphy era started the access to the team has been made far more difficult and the message coming from GB is far more controlled.

The local TV guys and radio guys constantly talk about it. Access to guys in the locker room, access in the stadium on game day, all of it under tons of restriction now. I could see being an old timer and being frustrated by it.


Not a surprise given that media has become diluted enough that no one can ever really tell the difference between "news" and "entertainment." That has to threaten the bottom-line of a small-market team more than a larger organization (with more financial wiggle room to spare).

The Wolf-era was a different beast. Any publicity, in some respect, was welcomed. The team and organization needed it.

Now, access means risk, not opportunity (for the FO).
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How can he dig a hole if he's too busy sitting on his hands?
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incognito_man wrote:
i feel like i remember never liking bedard


I didn't respond to this earlier, but the post was bumped.

I don't remember anyone liking Bedard while he was in GB Laughing
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NormSizedMidget wrote:

Quote:
The MMQB: Over the years you’ve told me you liked dealing with Favre and [GM] Ron Wolf. Why?
McGinn: “That whole team was fun. Favre gave me so much time—after games, after practice, walking out to the buses. He knew every play. Photographic memory. Wolf returned every call. I don’t know if any writer could have ever had a better relationship with a GM than I had with Wolf. Returned every call. Bob, Ron Wolf. He’d [inappropriate/removed] about something for the first 20 minutes. Why the f---! How could you write that s---? That’s BS! That’s contrary to what I told you. I would hold my breath for 45 seconds and let him rant and then you know what he said? !”




Love how admits he changed what was told to him to get a story.
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Ron Wolf always returned his calls.

TT never even took a single call.
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