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ddog619


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PostPosted: Sun May 14, 2017 8:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

pnies20 wrote:
Jackson doesn't have the same personality as Newton. That will be his downfall.

What do you mean by that
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PostPosted: Mon May 15, 2017 11:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Needs to get with the right coach but would love to see him in Jacksonville with Fournette.

Jackson should be compared to a Vick as he isn't just fast but shifty as well. RG3 and Kaep are more straight line runners so it's harder for them to evade defenders if it's not a foot race. Jackson is really elusive.
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PostPosted: Tue May 16, 2017 1:36 pm    Post subject: Re: Lamar Jackson Reply with quote

Ragnarok wrote:
jrl23 wrote:
I've watched all of his games last year and while he needs to improve his accuracy, he still looks to have the skill set and tools to potentially be the number one pick in next years draft. That said, a lot of mock drafts for 2018 have omitted him. What is Lamar Jackson's ceiling and floor as a player?


Floor is RG3/Kaepernick. Comes in, starts off strong due to his athleticism, then teams figure him out, he doesn't have the mental ability/footwork/pocket ability to progress as a passer, and flames out.

Ceiling is Cam Newton. Able to blend his ridiculous athletic ability with the ability to pass from the pocket as he matures.

I personally think he'll be more towards the floor side of things. He has a massive jump to be able to handle an NFL offense.


He's absolutely nothing like those 3. He's way more elusive than they are. The closest comp for him is Michael Vick. RG3 was just as fast as Lamar but he was more of a straight line speed guy. He didn't have the cutting ability in the open field to make defenders look silly like Lamar Jackson has. Plus Lamar has proven to be way more durable than RG3 so far. Remember by his second season in college RG3 suffered an ACL tear.

Lamar Jackson will never be a great drop back passer. But he doesn't need to be one to have a major impact in the NFL. Michael Vick took his team to the NFC title game as a second year player. Other running QBs like Cam Newton, Colin Kaepernick, and the great Steve McNair (before he became a dominant passer) took their teams to superbowls.

Lamar Jackson might be the best pure athlete to ever play the QB position at a high level in college. He will have a monster impact in the NFL because of that rare athleticism when he gets his chance. He's a lock 1st round pick. And has a good chance to be the first overall selection.
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PostPosted: Tue May 16, 2017 4:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ddog619 wrote:
pnies20 wrote:
Jackson doesn't have the same personality as Newton. That will be his downfall.

What do you mean by that


I'm not sure either. I'd say his personality is one of Cam's weaker points.
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PostPosted: Tue May 16, 2017 5:53 pm    Post subject: Re: Lamar Jackson Reply with quote

VanS wrote:
Ragnarok wrote:
jrl23 wrote:
I've watched all of his games last year and while he needs to improve his accuracy, he still looks to have the skill set and tools to potentially be the number one pick in next years draft. That said, a lot of mock drafts for 2018 have omitted him. What is Lamar Jackson's ceiling and floor as a player?


Floor is RG3/Kaepernick. Comes in, starts off strong due to his athleticism, then teams figure him out, he doesn't have the mental ability/footwork/pocket ability to progress as a passer, and flames out.

Ceiling is Cam Newton. Able to blend his ridiculous athletic ability with the ability to pass from the pocket as he matures.

I personally think he'll be more towards the floor side of things. He has a massive jump to be able to handle an NFL offense.


He's absolutely nothing like those 3. He's way more elusive than they are. The closest comp for him is Michael Vick. RG3 was just as fast as Lamar but he was more of a straight line speed guy. He didn't have the cutting ability in the open field to make defenders look silly like Lamar Jackson has. Plus Lamar has proven to be way more durable than RG3 so far. Remember by his second season in college RG3 suffered an ACL tear.

Lamar Jackson will never be a great drop back passer. But he doesn't need to be one to have a major impact in the NFL. Michael Vick took his team to the NFC title game as a second year player. Other running QBs like Cam Newton, Colin Kaepernick, and the great Steve McNair (before he became a dominant passer) took their teams to superbowls.

Lamar Jackson might be the best pure athlete to ever play the QB position at a high level in college. He will have a monster impact in the NFL because of that rare athleticism when he gets his chance. He's a lock 1st round pick. And has a good chance to be the first overall selection.


Him being more elusive doesn't mean the initial premise is in anyway incorrect or disprove the fact that his athleticism will only take him so far if he doesn't develop as a pocket passer.
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PostPosted: Tue May 16, 2017 6:19 pm    Post subject: Re: Lamar Jackson Reply with quote

VanS wrote:


He's absolutely nothing like those 3. He's way more elusive than they are. The closest comp for him is Michael Vick. RG3 was just as fast as Lamar but he was more of a straight line speed guy. He didn't have the cutting ability in the open field to make defenders look silly like Lamar Jackson has. Plus Lamar has proven to be way more durable than RG3 so far. Remember by his second season in college RG3 suffered an ACL tear.

Lamar Jackson will never be a great drop back passer. But he doesn't need to be one to have a major impact in the NFL. Michael Vick took his team to the NFC title game as a second year player. Other running QBs like Cam Newton, Colin Kaepernick, and the great Steve McNair (before he became a dominant passer) took their teams to superbowls.

Lamar Jackson might be the best pure athlete to ever play the QB position at a high level in college. He will have a monster impact in the NFL because of that rare athleticism when he gets his chance. He's a lock 1st round pick. And has a good chance to be the first overall selection.
1st overall selection would actually be shock I feel. Will see how Jackson progresses this season, if he makes similar jumps this up coming year like he did between his FR and SOPH year maybe but I doubt it.


Cam Newton is a better leader I feel and is far more charismatic than Jackson is, it is not even close. Not to mention he is 6-5 250 basically, where as Jackson is probably closer to 6-2 205. That could potentially be a big problem down the road being so thin. Ask Teddy Bridgewater.



Some notable 40 times by QBs either at the combine or at their pro day.
(*) indicates a switch to another position at the next level.

Michael Vick 4.33 pro day
*Reggie McNeal 4.35
*Terrelle Pryor 4.38
Robert Griffin III 4.41
*Armanti Edwards 4.41 pro day
Joe Webb 4.43
Donovan McNabb 4.45 pro day
Tyrod Taylor 4.47
Vince Young 4.48
Kordell Stewart 4.49
Jake Locker 4.51
Marcus Mariota 4.52
Daunte Culpepper 4.52
Colin Kaepernick 4.53
Steve Young 4.53
Russell Wilson 4.55
Pat White 4.55
Jeff Driskel 4.56
Seneca Wallace 4.56
*Keenan Reynolds 4.57
Cam Newton 4.59
Geno Smith 4.59
John Elway 4.59
Carson Palmer 4.65
Ryan Tannehill 4.65
Andrew Luck 4.67
David Carr 4.67
Johnny Manziel 4.68
Alex Smith 4.70
Aaron Rodgers 4.71


So Lamar Jackson is not the most athletic QB ever, I really doubt he runs as fast as Vick did and could argue Vick had much better mechanics throwing the football and probably a better arm. I like Jackson as a prospect but he still has a long ways to go and a lot of questions to still answer. Super fun to watch but will see if he can be as dominating this year like he was last year, when he really came out and very few expected him to do what he did.
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PostPosted: Tue May 16, 2017 9:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I actually like Petrinos system for Lamar. There's some NFL concepts in it.
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