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PostPosted: Mon May 08, 2017 6:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sam Hubbard?
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PostPosted: Mon May 08, 2017 8:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Top5Fitz wrote:
Where do you have Auden Tate (my WR1), Equanimeous St. Brown, Riley Ferguson and Martinas Rankin?
Riley Ferguson I have a few QBs down from most of these guys. Talented player but has to prove it again this year after having a very solid season last year. Be interesting how he does, do wish he faced better competition however at times. Had that great game against Ole Miss but that defense was a freaking joke anyways last year.


I have only a few junior WRs coming out based on what they have shown, a lot others could but need to prove a lot more. Tate I question his speed big time, need to see a lot more out of him and he has to be a major weapon this year, will see. If he cannot put up huge numbers with the QB he has now there is something wrong. And St. Brown I like as well but not sure how good he will be with an inexperienced QB. Nice size and speed but a few other junior WRs are the same mold, Jaylen Smith, Nick Westbrook and Jauan Jennings. Just a matter of who shows out.


Rankin I admit I have to see more, physically he is impressive but on the field I think he needs to dominate more. Justin Senior his teammate I thought last year was just kind of there, physically strong and talented in that regard but his play was not wow. Rankin has more ability but still has to take it to the next level.




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PostPosted: Mon May 08, 2017 6:33 am Post subject:
Sam Hubbard?
True, could and probably should be on this list I just thought he had a sub par year last season. Tons of talent and ability but need to see more toughness and power with him as well as production. Not sure he is a good enough athlete to be a 3/4 OLB or strong enough to hold the edge, will see how he does. Lewis out played him and Holmes last year big time. Hubbard has to get more physical and strong at the point of attack I think.
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PostPosted: Sun May 14, 2017 5:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A few juniors that I currently do not have leaving early for the draft who could with fine seasons. If they indeed take that next step this year, could also be early entry candidates for the 2018 Draft.




*James Daniels Iowa C JR:
I think he is an outstanding player, very good solid center that could arguably come out early this year if he plays up to his potential. Great blocking down field for a center in a few games and getting to the second level. Overall is a solid athlete that is strong and has a good solid base, nice looking prospect potentially.


*Ryan Nall Oregon State RB JR:
Had an outstanding year last season, really showed up in a lot of games, displaying a surprising amount of speed for a back his size. I like how he catches the ball out of the backfield as well. If he continues on last years pace again this season he will sure declare early for the draft, will see if he can keep it up.


*Juwan Johnson Penn State WR RS SOPH:
Has a chance to really blow up this year, is just a massive kid very strong at WR. If he turns that athletic ability into production would not be surprised if he came out early. Has a ton of potential that is for sure, kid is just huge physically.


*Zach Wallace Wyoming OT JR:
Awesome pass protector at tackle, very athletic on his feet and can move. Nice technique as well, if he gets a little stronger overall could be a candidate to come out early.


*Ryan Izzo Florida State TE JR:
As a pass catcher he has a ton of potential and with a great year could easily come out early for the draft. Very good hands, nice route runner as well, if he displays a little more down field playmaking and improves on his overall athletic ability he is a very sound prospect.


*Byron Pringle Kansas State WR JR:
Big time playmaker that really stood out last year I thought. Great open field speed and can get great separation, really impressive big play potential despite not having outstanding QB play. Should be even better this year and could be a early entry candidate possibly.


*Jon Dietzen Wisconsin OG RS SOPH:
Tough physical blocker, got a lot of nice push last year and should be even better this season. Very solid in the run game, needs some work in pass protection but is a solid overall prospect with good upside.


*Johnny Dwight Alabama DE RS SOPH:
Physically the kid is a very interesting athlete as a potential a 3/4 DE. Has yet to do anything really in the season but this year should be his chance. Nice lower body power and can get under the offensive tackle and control him with his athletic ability. Will see if he can live up to his potential and show more this year.


*Rashaan Gaulden Tennessee CB JR:
Nice smooth athlete, long corner that is wiry. Needs to improve on his tackling and toughness but in coverage is very smooth and has fine ball skills.


*Geron Christian Louisville OT JR:
Really thick kid with a big strong base, kind of tailed off at the end of this season but has a lot of potential I feel as a tackle or guard. Gets a nice push and can handle himself in pass protection, with a good season would not be surprised to see him come out early.


*Deebo Samuel South Carolina WR JR:
Made a really jump from his FR to SOPH year, now will see if he can take that next step as a junior. Tough WR that has very good hands, needs to show some more down the field speed I think but has nice potential as a physical WR who can make contested catches.


*TJ Rahming Duke WR JR:
Very good open field speed and is very hard to handle in the open field. Can make you miss and get by defenders very quickly. Really like his upside, very similar to past Duke product Crowder at WR. Has a lot of ability and should have a great year.


*Isaiah Saunders Idaho RB JR:
Love how low to the ground he is built, really powerful back that can really drive with his legs. Very thick and strong lower body, if he improves his conditioning he could become a solid NFL prospect.


*Devine Ozigbo Nebraska RB JR:
Another very powerful back with really strong legs. Thick kid and it he can stay healthy should put up some good numbers this season. Nice feet and upside I feel considering his physical ability, could have a really good year for them.


*Chris Warren Texas RB JR:
Will be very interesting how he does, big back and should get a lot more touches. Coming off injury and is the son of fine NFL running back Chris Warren. Is a really good athlete as well, see if he can put up numbers close to Foreman's behind a good offensive line.


*Will Grier West Virginia QB RS SOPH:
Showed a lot of upside and potential on Florida, good poise and leadership for a young quarterback. Has a little bit of an odd ball placement before he releases but overall seemed to be a solid prospect. Is arguably one of the best QBs at West Virginia now in a very long time, in that offense should be really successful.


*Jerrod Heard Texas WR RS JR:
Made the switch to WR last year and I expect more out of him this year with time to practice the position. Is a big time athlete and showed that as a freshman, really good open field speed and quicks. Expect him to have a much improve season this year for the Longhorns.
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PostPosted: Sun May 14, 2017 5:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ozzy wrote:
*James Daniels Iowa C JR:
I think he is an outstanding player, very good solid center that could arguably come out early this year if he plays up to his potential. Great blocking down field for a center in a few games and getting to the second level. Overall is a solid athlete that is strong and has a good solid base, nice looking prospect potentially.


*Ryan Nall Oregon State RB JR:
Had an outstanding year last season, really showed up in a lot of games, displaying a surprising amount of speed for a back his size. I like how he catches the ball out of the backfield as well. If he continues on last years pace again this season he will sure declare early for the draft, will see if he can keep it up.


*Deebo Samuel South Carolina WR JR:
Made a really jump from his FR to SOPH year, now will see if he can take that next step as a junior. Tough WR that has very good hands, needs to show some more down the field speed I think but has nice potential as a physical WR who can make contested catches.


*TJ Rahming Duke WR JR:
Very good open field speed and is very hard to handle in the open field. Can make you miss and get by defenders very quickly. Really like his upside, very similar to past Duke product Crowder at WR. Has a lot of ability and should have a great year.
Really like these guys. Daniels has always impressed when I've watched Iowa (the BYU center looks good too, though the NFL won't like how short he is). Nall is fun to watch. Good size, good speed, pretty quick, and he can catch. Samuel is a very talented player who will likely keep getting better, probably the most likely of this group to declare early. I really liked Rahming as a recruit, he was one of the more advanced WR's in his class. He hasn't had any issues producing in college, he has the potential to be a TY Hilton like player.
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PostPosted: Sun May 14, 2017 6:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Where were you during this past draft? Feel like Calhoun dominated the thread during that time.
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PostPosted: Sun May 14, 2017 8:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Matt Breida was a 2017 prospect and is on the 49ers.
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PostPosted: Sun May 14, 2017 8:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

IDOG_det wrote:
Really like these guys. Daniels has always impressed when I've watched Iowa (the BYU center looks good too, though the NFL won't like how short he is). Nall is fun to watch. Good size, good speed, pretty quick, and he can catch. Samuel is a very talented player who will likely keep getting better, probably the most likely of this group to declare early. I really liked Rahming as a recruit, he was one of the more advanced WR's in his class. He hasn't had any issues producing in college, he has the potential to be a TY Hilton like player.
Yeah Daniels played really good against Michigan I thought, a team with what six NFL DLs on the team. Really impressed with his play at times and much improved since his freshman year and a lot stronger. Doubt he comes out early being a OL on Iowa but will see. The senior class has some interesting centers in Bozeman, Ragnow and Cole but will see how they play.


Rahming again I think is a lot like Jamison Crowder, physically they are extremely similar. Now just Rahming has to be more productive like Crowder was and show off that speed more and get in the end zone. Should do better this year though, Jones is a talented QB and should be much improved this year.


Nall did really impress, last year it was like who the heck is this guy. Oregon State does not have some great OL of late and he was putting up big numbers as a big back. See how he does when everyone game plans completely to stop him.


Deebo I agree might be the most likely to come out early, I still think he has to show some speed and ability to get separation. Love how he fights, has awesome hands and can make contested catches in traffic. Is very quick and can make you miss or run you over, which is impressive at his size. But he has to make contested catches because he gets very little separation. Great hands though and can make highlight catches look easy.
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PostPosted: Sun May 14, 2017 11:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Little surprised that you have Rosen so low and no mention of Dorance Armstrong DE/OLB, Kansas, Denzel Ward CB, Ohio St. Mitch Hyatt OT, Clemson, Quenton Nelson OG, Notre Dame, Sam Hibbard DE/OLB Ohio St., Dalton Schultz TE, Stanford, Braden Smith OG/OT, Auburn, Martinas Rankin OT, Mississippi St. and Toby Weathersby OT, LSU and Jonathan Ledbetter, DE/OLB, Georgia.

I realize you may not have a lot of these guys declaring and hence left them completely off your list, because if they declare they will all be high picks, IMO.

I also think Mason Cole OC, Michigan is one of the top interior OLmen in the draft, a potential 1st round talent and you have him going in round 5 ???

Hard to believe no Ohio St. players will go high in the draft and no Stanford players.

I can see Rosen having a real breakout season and even going #1 overall should it happen. Too much talent to slip to round 3.

I will say that attempting a 7 round draft this early in the process is a huge undertaking, but I seriously doubt it stands the test of time.
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PostPosted: Mon May 15, 2017 8:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Iamcanadian wrote:
Little surprised that you have Rosen so low and no mention of Dorance Armstrong DE/OLB, Kansas, Denzel Ward CB, Ohio St. Mitch Hyatt OT, Clemson, Quenton Nelson OG, Notre Dame, Sam Hibbard DE/OLB Ohio St., Dalton Schultz TE, Stanford, Braden Smith OG/OT, Auburn, Martinas Rankin OT, Mississippi St. and Toby Weathersby OT, LSU and Jonathan Ledbetter, DE/OLB, Georgia.

I realize you may not have a lot of these guys declaring and hence left them completely off your list, because if they declare they will all be high picks, IMO.

I also think Mason Cole OC, Michigan is one of the top interior OLmen in the draft, a potential 1st round talent and you have him going in round 5 ???

Hard to believe no Ohio St. players will go high in the draft and no Stanford players.

I can see Rosen having a real breakout season and even going #1 overall should it happen. Too much talent to slip to round 3.

I will say that attempting a 7 round draft this early in the process is a huge undertaking, but I seriously doubt it stands the test of time.
Jonathan Ledbetter has to really improve a lot I think, no clue how he is a better prospect than Carter or Bellamy on his own team. Ledbetter been arrested a few times already and has not done much on the field at all. Toby Weathersby I having coming back for another season, I agree is a prospect and a good one but needs to improve a lot, was not super impressed with his play last year but has potential to maybe be a good tackle. Carries his weight well and is a wide body but needs to show off some more power.


I already said to you I believe you have Schultz way too high, he is a ok player but to say he is a 1st round pick might be a little stretch. He needs to really blow up this year production wise to make that happen. Sam Hubbard I feel needs to get a long stronger and or a lot more athletic and be able to show potential as a OLB. On the DE I think he needs to hold the point of attack better and be stronger, but yes he is a good prospect just not sure how he will do this year. Could really breakout or might not.


Hyatt is a good prospect, some have him pretty high but I feel a few other OTs might have more potential than he does. Good prospect and worth a look for sure though. Ward I need to see more of, but again I feel Sheffield might out play him at corner on Ohio State this year. Nelson also I need to see more of, solid guard just not sure how great he is at the moment. Armstrong I have not seen so cannot really comment, will try to catch him this season.

Braden Smith is soild but never was super impressed with him last year, will see how he does this year, I liked his teammate James better in some games. And Rankin, again not super impressed with his play and never really stood out a great deal last year much like his teammate Senior. Good athlete but will see how he develops this year.

Rosen I am not a fan of, puts up good numbers but do not like his body language, do not think he has a great arm and needs to improve a lot. Has potential but others I feel have much more, at least what they showed last year.

Mason Cole I think you overrate him, I liked him at center, is a solid player but I liked him a lot more as a tackle in terms of potential. Was not super impressed with his play at center, maybe I underrate him but to call him a 1st round pick, not sure on that yet. He got beat a lot I feel in pass protection, did not have a super smooth transition I thought. Will see how he does this year after getting his feet wet. Could argue Daniels on Iowa at center is a more interesting prospect arguably and is more athletic. Would like to see Cole show some more athletic ability at center especially as a former tackle, also be stronger at the point of attack.


In terms of Ohio State and Stanford, I do not have players go high just based on the school they go to. To say all these great Ohio State and Stanford players, sure could argue Hubbard for Ohio State or maybe Lewis or Holmes, also some of their linebackers maybe. But at the time I do not see those guys as 1st round talents, but a lot of that could change. And Stanford, maybe they will have a guy emerge but based off last year they lost a ton of talent. Also for sure Stanford probably does not have another Solomon Thomas or McCaffrey just sitting in the wings that will be just as good or better than they were last year. Quentin Meeks is a talented player but needs to show more growth I feel. Outside of that Stanford has not many really highly ranked players coming into next year, but that could change of course. Peter Kalambayi is probably their most interesting prospect and has 2nd round potential with a big year I feel.



And yes of course like you said a ton will change, and the list standing the test of time does not matter. It is a preliminary list that will greatly change as the season goes on. Players will be added, others removed and or rise and fall. A lot of it is personal projection and these are the guys that stood out to me last year, some might have terrible years though and others might really improve. So ever changing rankings is nothing new especially when the season starts and players start to show up and perform. Also, of course there are no compensatory picks included so is not really all 7 rounds of a draft, I just divided it that way because better than having 1 through 224 all in a row.
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After watching a few Spring Games here are some prospect that stood out as young talent. Also included are players who were improved off last season, poised to have a breakout year this season. I know Spring games do not mean that much but nice to have a early look at talent levels around the country. See if some of these players can bring that same production into the season.





*Rashan Gary Michigan DE SOPH:
What a monster game he had, love how he played at the DE spot. Showed flashes last year of course but did not see tons of action or production. This year he is going to be a freak show and really blow up on the edge I feel. Great game by him, really improved his activity level and conditioning.

*Keith Washington Michigan CB RS JR:
Really stood out I felt, made a ton of aggressive tackles and tough physical plays at corner. They lost a lot of talent at that position obviously but Washington should step right in and do quite well, really like his physical style of play, very promising prospect overall.

*Benjamin St-Juste Michigan S FR:
Really impressed with him athletically, can move around very well and is a nice smooth athlete. Good ball skills and fine coverage man for a young player, will see if he can continue that into the season.

*Greg Robinson Michigan OT FR:
Very impressed with his play, really like how strong he is and he is a physical player. Thick kid, good length and power, could be a very interesting prospect for them and possibly even see a lot of early action this season.

*Devin Bush Michigan ILB SOPH:
Could have a real breakout year, flashed last spring game just never got on the field in the season much. Very athletic playmaking linebacker with a ton of speed, will see if he can put it together during the season.

*Nick Eubanks Michigan TE RS SOPH:
Another one, very lean and tall tight end with long arms and big hands. Is more of a slot WR possibly but still as a pass catcher with that size he is a very interesting player. Could become a matchup problem for sure at TE, will see how much time he gets at the position however.

*Carlo Kemp Michigan DE SOPH:
Showed some nice activity on the edge, athletic player who can hold the point of attack and is a stocky strong athlete. Should he a much improved season this year and become a possible impact player for them on defense

*Noah Furbush Michigan OLB RS JR:
Really like his activity level at linebacker, love his length and size, ability to come off the edge and hold the point of attack. Be interesting how he does this year, should get a ton of playing time potentially, nice looking aggressive athlete at linebacker.

*Sean McKeon Michigan TE SOPH:
Where they get these guys from, another long and athletic pass catching TE. Really needs to improve his overall strength and toughness but is a fine athlete and can make plays down field for sure catching the football.

*Mason Cole Michigan OT/C SR:
Really like seeing him back at tackle, hopefully he stays there but I doubt it. Like his ability to seal the edge as well as his athletic ability for the position. I think his upside is higher at tackle but either way is a very interesting prospect for the up coming draft.

*Brandon Peters Michigan QB SOPH:
They are set for when Speight is gone, very mechanically sound QB with great size and a decent amount of athletic ability. Can get out and move the pocket to make throws and has nice accurate arm. Solid prospect potentially down the road for sure.

*Reuben Jones Michigan LB RS JR:
Has a long ways to go but got to love that athletic ability and size. Quick off the edge and will be interesting to see how he does this year, has a ton of upside and potential I feel.

*Michael Onwenu Michigan OG SOPH:
Guy is a massive big wide body, still has a lot to work on but physically he could be a real mover down there at guard. Wish he was a little longer overall but interesting prospect as a inside guard potentially.

*Jon Runyan Michigan OT RS SOPH:
Showed some nice power and decent upside for a tackle. Too bad he got hurt in the game, will be interesting to see how it shakes out for him with some other tackles injured he might see a lot more time, could also play guard arguably.





*Tua Tagovailoa Alabama QB FR:
Will be very interesting to see his development, hard to believe but is right there with Hurts and is arguably a more polished passer from the pocket. Very good technique and is a accurate passer with a bid wide body. Can move around and make some plays but is not such a run 1st QB like Hurts was last year.

*Najee Harris Alabama RB FR:
Freak show running back, another one, has really good feet and ability to make cuts despite being a massive back. Really big time athlete with great power, be interesting how they use him this year, with a lot of good running backs already on the roster Harris might be too good to not get in there as a 2nd or 3rd RB.

*Jerry Jeudy Alabama WR FR:
Showed nice aggressive play and good open field speed. Really nice quickness for a wide receiver and will see how much time he takes away from those more experienced players at the position. Nice looking prospect for sure.

*Terrell Hall Alabama OLB SOPH:
Love his athletic ability and length at linebacker, could really become a star this year potentially. Made that one huge play which really showed off his length and athletic ability. Has been a little while since they have had athletic edge rushers like him on the roster, be very interesting to see how he performs.

*Raekwon Davis Alabama DE SOPH:
Is a mountain of a man, what a massive player with great length. Still has a long ways to go but as a prospect he is very hard to miss, could be a fine 3/4 DE potentially, does have to improve his use of leverage and ability to collapse the pocket.

*Matt Womack Alabama OT RS SOPH:
Showed really nice feet for a big wide body tackle. Decent in pass protection, will see how much time he gets this season, could be a very interesting prospect down the road.

*Robert Foster Alabama WR RS SR:
Showed that big time speed in the open field, just burned by corners on a few plays. Hopefully he can stay healthy and actually produce this year, has a lot of talent but has to actual put up some production in big games this season. Has been a standout in more than one spring game, time to take the next step.

*Jamey Mosely Alabama OLB RS JR:
Is a good active edge rusher and got some decent plays in that game. Really like his size and gave good effort, needs to get stronger but for a long athletic linebacker he is a interesting player. Will see how he does this year along with a lot of linebackers on that team who have been waiting in the wings for awhile.

*Jalen Hurts Alabama QB SOPH:
Did hit some deep balls which was nice to see, was pretty terrible last year especially in terms of his inability to throw down field as well as all the turnovers. Has some real competition at the position for sure now with Tua. Be interesting how it all plays out, as a prospect Hurts has a very long ways to go still as a QB.

*Trevon Diggs Alabama CB SOPH:
Got absolutely burnt on three deep passing plays, but I like the idea of moving him to corner with his athletic ability. Still very new to the position and has a lot to work on, but have to love his speed and ball skills, ability to react to the football in the air. Will see how he does and if he sticks to corner, I hope he does and learns from what happened in this game.






*Binjimen Victor Ohio State WR SOPH:
Really like his size and athletic ability at receiver, very impressive with his quickness and burst, combine that with his length and he could be a big time playmaker for them. Long and athletic, very interesting prospect for sure this season, looks like he is a big time athlete.

*Malcolm Pridgeon Ohio State OG JR:
Really like his length at the guard position, can get after it and crush defenders at times. Needs to still improve on a lot of things but is a interesting prospect for sure on the inside.

*Johnnie Dixon Ohio State WR JR:
Could arguably have the most make you miss of any receiver on Ohio State, really quick in the open field and fights hard for the catch and after the catch. Will see if he can stay healthy this year, if so could be a big playmaker for them.

*AJ Alexander Ohio State TE RS SOPH
Not a huge fan of his length but is a very athletic and compact tight end. Good open field speed and is a matchup problem for sure in this offense, could have a solid year potentially as a stretch TE, will see.

*Parris Campbell Ohio State WR JR:
Another standout receiver for Ohio State, has good hands and decent open field speed. Nice smooth athlete and can get open, will see which one of these three receivers will become the big man on campus for them, and Campbell is right there with them.

*Damon Webb Ohio State S SR:
Stood out at times last year, will see if he can take that next step as a safety in a position of need for them. Needs to get stronger as a tackler I feel, is decent in coverage, will see how he does.

*Tuf Borland Ohio State ILB FR:
Like his activity level at linebacker, showed some flashes of getting of blocks and getting after the ball carrier. Still has a long ways to go however as a prospect but has nice potential as a player.

*Kendall Sheffield Ohio State CB SOPH:
Did get beat a few times but when tackling was allowed in the scrimmage he made some nice hits. Really like his toughness at corner and man cover skills, will see if he can beat out some other good players and become a starter this year for them.





*Devin White LSU ILB SOPH:
Is a possible star linebacker, showed a lot of flashes last year and got a ton of experience. Love his athletic ability and physical strength, but he can also run and cover a lot of ground. Should become a very good ILB prospect this year and be one of the leaders of that defense.

*Grant Delpit LSU S FR:
Very impressive freshman safety, moves very well and is a strong aggressive tackler. Has very good speed and is sound in coverage as well, not to mention has great length for the position. Could be a possible star this season at a need position for them+.

*DJ Chark LSU WR SR:
Liked him last year, should really have a monster year this season in this new offense. Very athletic player and will get the ball in his hands a lot more, especially on those jet sweeps to showcase his speed and ability after the catch. Should have a monster year for sure at LSU.

*Donte Jackson LSU CB JR:
Nice smooth corner, improved a lot last season and saw a lot of action, could take that next step to an elite level this year. Really like his feet and ball skills, very quick to react at corner and fast.

*Rashard Lawrence LSU DE SOPH:
Very big wide body on the edge, got good consistent pressure and was able to collapse the pocket more than once. Should do very well in that 3/4 system and if a nice solid prospect down the road.

*Garrett Brumfield LSU OG JR:
Looks like he improved his conditioning level compared to last year, very big body and solid run blocker. Can get out on the edge as well and shows some nice athletic ability at times for a guard. Be interesting how he does this season.
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