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KG1187


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PostPosted: Fri May 12, 2017 3:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

G08 wrote:
WindyCity wrote:
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This amount of DBs seems to be ripe for intense competition, which should hopefulyl take what seems to be an average at best group and prod them to outperform. Best of a bad situation, although I think one of Pace's biggest failures is how little top end talent he brought in this FA season


I actually don't mind his free agent method, although it was frustrating in the moment.

You either end up with huge bargains (Freeman, Hicks, Sitton) or you end up with players you can easily cut.

It just requires your draft picks to be good.


Bingo. If any of our corners wind up being solid, then we hit and we didn't have to burn a draft pick. If not? Cut them and make it a focus on the next draft. I don't have a problem with it.


You also end up throwing away a lot of money with the bargain bin strategy.

Last year alone the Bears threw away almost 18 million dollars on Massie Royal, Miller and Porter.

Just saying you have to include the bad moves when evaluating Paces free agency's instead of cherry picking the good ones.
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PostPosted: Sat May 13, 2017 10:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

KG1187 wrote:
G08 wrote:
WindyCity wrote:
RunningVaccs wrote:
This amount of DBs seems to be ripe for intense competition, which should hopefulyl take what seems to be an average at best group and prod them to outperform. Best of a bad situation, although I think one of Pace's biggest failures is how little top end talent he brought in this FA season


I actually don't mind his free agent method, although it was frustrating in the moment.

You either end up with huge bargains (Freeman, Hicks, Sitton) or you end up with players you can easily cut.

It just requires your draft picks to be good.


Bingo. If any of our corners wind up being solid, then we hit and we didn't have to burn a draft pick. If not? Cut them and make it a focus on the next draft. I don't have a problem with it.


You also end up throwing away a lot of money with the bargain bin strategy.

Last year alone the Bears threw away almost 18 million dollars on Massie Royal, Miller and Porter.

Just saying you have to include the bad moves when evaluating Paces free agency's instead of cherry picking the good ones.


How many of these moves were "bad signings" when they happened though, those are the ones I criticize Pace for most. Nobody was mad when any of these moves were made. If guys underperform to expectations or get hurt once they're here I don't really put that on the GM as much as the player or the coaches. I do, however, put it on the GM if he doesn't then move on from the underperforming player. That hasn't really been an issue with Pace.

Porter got a low level starter contract extension after a solid previous year (having been brought in on a Cooper/Amukamara type of deal), didn't keep that pace, and now he's gone. Massie was adequate at RT for most of last year after a rough first few weeks, and was paid low to mid tier starting RT money for a FA on a 1 year guarantee. That's not a bad signing. It's just not a home run. Miller was at a 75-catch pace when he was lost for the season to injuries. At his $2.9M cap hit that was a bargain. The rub there was not having a more established veteran backup IMO, not keeping Miller. Royal when signed was exactly what we needed in the slot but then couldn't get out of the tub. Prior to his signing with us though he had only missed 1 game the previous two years with 15 TD in that span. Again, not a bad move - it just didn't work out.
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PostPosted: Sat May 13, 2017 11:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Massie was not a bad move. You paid for a 6 million dollar tackle and you got a 6 million dollar tackle. Quality RTs make 10 million/year you can't always expect to hit an Akiem Hicks level home run.

Royal- bad signing

Miller-down right steal. The Bears pay him nothing and have gotten 2 solid years out of him.

Porter- good signing when they first signed him, but a bad extension.
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PostPosted: Sat May 13, 2017 11:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The strategy is fine you sign 10 guys for solid money.

You hope 2 are really good and out okay their deals (Hicks, Freeman)

You hope 4-5 live up to their moderate deals (Trevathan, Sitton)

You hope only 2-3 fail to live up to the moderate investment (Royal, Rolle)


Best case scenario you get a couple of stars on team friendly deals and a bunch of solid upgrades.

Worse case scenario you cut guys after 1 year.
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