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JustPlainNasty


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PostPosted: Sun May 07, 2017 3:24 pm    Post subject: Why character matters.. Reply with quote

Reports are that the san Francisco 49ers released KD Cannon who they gave a reported 45k signing bonus to. Thats crazy, just one week after. The majority of UDFAs get about half or less than that so thats an extreme rarity.

I share this in our forum because a concerted effort was definitely made to character in the Steelers draft and especially football character.

It is not clear as to why he was released but the buzz is it sounds more like behavioral issues than criminal activity.

Cannon was a mid to late round draftable talent, hence why he was a priority UDFA. When figuring out prospects value you definitely have to do some character research and make it part of the equation.
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Magnus-Viktor


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PostPosted: Sun May 07, 2017 6:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wow, KD Cannon was my boy lol. I hadn't heard anything about character though. I was shocked to see him go undrafted. Now this might explain why.

This is funny though:

http://baylor.247sports.com/ContentGallery/Twitter-reaction-Baylor-star-wideout-KD-Cannon-cut-by-49ers-52664213/2
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PostPosted: Sun May 07, 2017 7:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Magnus-Viktor wrote:
Wow, KD Cannon was my boy lol. I hadn't heard anything about character though. I was shocked to see him go undrafted. Now this might explain why.

This is funny though:

http://baylor.247sports.com/ContentGallery/Twitter-reaction-Baylor-star-wideout-KD-Cannon-cut-by-49ers-52664213/2

I understood 1 word.
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Magnus-Viktor


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PostPosted: Sun May 07, 2017 8:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The video with Snipes talking? "Sh!t, I been cut already?!"
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PostPosted: Mon May 08, 2017 3:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://ninerswire.usatoday.com/2017/05/07/49ers-release-receiver-kd-cannon-may-add-recent-tryout-player/

"In practice rep during rookie minicamp Friday, Cannon gained separation from his defender, made a catch in stride over the middle of the field, but didnít finishing running out the rep. New general manager John Lynch has stressed the importance of culture since getting hired over the winter."
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PostPosted: Mon May 08, 2017 8:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

JustPlainNasty wrote:
http://ninerswire.usatoday.com/2017/05/07/49ers-release-receiver-kd-cannon-may-add-recent-tryout-player/

"In practice rep during rookie minicamp Friday, Cannon gained separation from his defender, made a catch in stride over the middle of the field, but didnít finishing running out the rep. New general manager John Lynch has stressed the importance of culture since getting hired over the winter."


Wow! I get that these guys are drilled, and it's ingrained in their 'footall character' from n early age to always finish out the play, regardless, but to me, that is a "learning opportunity," not something to get released for. There HAS to be something more, like that being a consistent trait he's shown throughout the camp, and refuses to change. It can't be one isolated incident.

Anyway, no worries, he'll be scooped up be day's end, (unless it was a legal issue we have yet to hear about), and he'll go on to help his new team. To me, this was a bigger mistake than just letting him go (if it was for this isolated incident); Lynch is now instilling a culture of fear, rather than mentorship and growth.

Anyway, seems odd. Something else has to be there.
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PostPosted: Mon May 08, 2017 8:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ward4HOF wrote:
JustPlainNasty wrote:
http://ninerswire.usatoday.com/2017/05/07/49ers-release-receiver-kd-cannon-may-add-recent-tryout-player/

"In practice rep during rookie minicamp Friday, Cannon gained separation from his defender, made a catch in stride over the middle of the field, but didnít finishing running out the rep. New general manager John Lynch has stressed the importance of culture since getting hired over the winter."


Wow! I get that these guys are drilled, and it's ingrained in their 'footall character' from n early age to always finish out the play, regardless, but to me, that is a "learning opportunity," not something to get released for. There HAS to be something more, like that being a consistent trait he's shown throughout the camp, and refuses to change. It can't be one isolated incident.

Anyway, no worries, he'll be scooped up be day's end, (unless it was a legal issue we have yet to hear about), and he'll go on to help his new team. To me, this was a bigger mistake than just letting him go (if it was for this isolated incident); Lynch is now instilling a culture of fear, rather than mentorship and growth.

Anyway, seems odd. Something else has to be there.

Not to mention the tolerance level is higher for players that are more valuable. My guess is if Solomon didn't finish out a play he'd remain a 49'r. So are you really instilling a culture change if there are exceptions?
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PostPosted: Mon May 08, 2017 8:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

sounds like KD was the example for the rest of the players. I liked him as well. It will be interesting to see if he gets picked up by another team and does he change his "style" of practice.
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PostPosted: Mon May 08, 2017 9:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It is hard to imagine that being the only issue, but I havent seen much follow up on this by anybody.
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PostPosted: Mon May 08, 2017 11:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If that's all it was I expect a grevence from the NFPA
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PostPosted: Tue May 09, 2017 12:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah there's gotta be more than him just not finishing 1 play in practice. I'd really like to know the whole story to this one. So far it seems like the 9ers are on the right track again, with their trade back and still adding the guy I'd have taken #1 overall if I was picking a DE. This move might be more in line with their moronic 3rd round blunder on CJ Beathard, who is NOT a good QB. (He looked ok in '15 but not good in '16)

1 Thomas - A+
1 Foster - A+ to F, depending on character/medical
3 Witherspoon - A+
3 Beathard - 0
4 Williams - B
5 Kittle - A
5 Taylor - B
6 Jones - A+
6 Taumoepenu - n/a
7 Colbert - n/a

I don't know their last 2 guys, but the other guys all have at least some high upside, if not complete studs already. Probably my favorite draft class.
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PostPosted: Tue May 09, 2017 1:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Taumoepenu is a pure speed rusher. Someone refers to watching tape of him as pass rush porn. As a situational pass rusher he will do well. He does not have enough sand in his pants or over all strength to play OLB in a full time bases at this point.
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Chieferific wrote:
Ward4HOF wrote:
JustPlainNasty wrote:
http://ninerswire.usatoday.com/2017/05/07/49ers-release-receiver-kd-cannon-may-add-recent-tryout-player/

"In practice rep during rookie minicamp Friday, Cannon gained separation from his defender, made a catch in stride over the middle of the field, but didnít finishing running out the rep. New general manager John Lynch has stressed the importance of culture since getting hired over the winter."


Wow! I get that these guys are drilled, and it's ingrained in their 'footall character' from n early age to always finish out the play, regardless, but to me, that is a "learning opportunity," not something to get released for. There HAS to be something more, like that being a consistent trait he's shown throughout the camp, and refuses to change. It can't be one isolated incident.

Anyway, no worries, he'll be scooped up be day's end, (unless it was a legal issue we have yet to hear about), and he'll go on to help his new team. To me, this was a bigger mistake than just letting him go (if it was for this isolated incident); Lynch is now instilling a culture of fear, rather than mentorship and growth.

Anyway, seems odd. Something else has to be there.

Not to mention the tolerance level is higher for players that are more valuable. My guess is if Solomon didn't finish out a play he'd remain a 49'r. So are you really instilling a culture change if there are exceptions?


Totally agree!
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PostPosted: Fri May 12, 2017 1:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Teams are making an investment in players and young men. Some people forget that growing and maturing are an ongoing process. Some people make mistakes along the way. As much as many of us like to think that we are or were finished products at 21, 22 and 23 years of age. You are drafting players not just for who and where they are now, but for who they can become and where they can grow as players and men.

I understand wanting to set the bar and having your players and team conform, but there is also truth in WHO the player is as far as what a team will tolerate as well. Many coaches including Jimmy Johnson admitted to this with player discipline and it even goes back to the days of the late great Poppa Halas and Paul Brown who let - Butkis and Jim Brown get away with things that the free agent signee could not.

Coach Tomlin is no different. Martavis Bryant, AB and LeVeon Bell have been given chances that other players would not because of their value and ability to the team. Say whatever you will, if Cobi Hamilton or some practice squad player did what AB did in the locker room. I don't think it was as bad as the media tried to make it out to be, but rest assured, AB was not going to miss time in the AFCCG because of that. You also hope that along the way these young men grow and mature as men and players and learn from their mistakes. Maybe this kid wa simply cannon fodder to make a point and he got $45,000 for his trouble.
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