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PostPosted: Fri Apr 28, 2017 8:56 am    Post subject: Are you smarter than Elway? (v. 2017) Reply with quote

This is my favorite draft game. The time where all of us armchair GMs have to put our money where our mouths are. Its great to look back and see who we all had rated so highly and how we would have done.

2009,2011,2012,2013 and 2015( I couldn’t find 2010, 2014 or 2016)

So without the benifit of hindsight who would you have taken?

A couple of ground rules.
#1 You cannot invent trades. you may chose to either accept or deny any actual trades however.
#2 Be honest. Don't take a player who fell unexpectedly I in the 5th when you would have taken him in the 1st just because he fell in real life.
#3 look back on this in a couple years and laugh at how pissed off you got despite being wrong!

So I ask again...

Are you smarter than our Front Office?
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 28, 2017 9:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

1.20: Reuben Foster: ILB, BAMA; I think we will regret this one. I'm not sure Bolles beats out a healthy Ty. (Word is he's beefed up now that he's finally had a healthy offseason). Foster has HOF potential.

2.51: stay with the Demarcus Walker pick.

3.82: Antonio Garcia: OT, Troy; This pick is paired with the one year signing of King Dunlap to man the RT position and let everyone else fight it out for LT for this year. Garcia is raw but plays mean and has LT potential in his size and athleticism.

3.101: Jake Butt: TE, Mich; 2nd best all around TE only behind OJ. Likely start the year on the PUP. Years 2-14 he'll be a beast though!

I keep the trades as they were both well done. Bibbs was a camp casualty either way.

5.145: Desmond King: DB, Iowa; average size/speed makes him a poor fit at CB in this scheme but he is simply a great football player. Line him up as buckle S and watch him blanket TEs. Also great when we go into cover 2
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 28, 2017 9:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

1.20 - Elway Pick: Garett Bolles, LT

Elliot's Pick:
Reuben Foster, LB - Best player available by a mile, fills a pretty significant need of a 3 down linebacker who can cover. His character concerns could de-rail him in the long run but the upsides worth it.

2.51 - Elway Pick: DeMarcus Walker, DL

Elliot's Pick:
Dan Feeney, OG - I'll take the sure fire starter at RG. If Feeney's health checks out long term I think it's likely a steal at 51. LT remains a massive hole, just sign King Dunlap after the draft.

3.82 - Elway Pick: Carlos Henderson, WR/RS

Elliot's Pick:
Antonio Garcia, OT - I don't even like Garcia much as a prospect, but he can fill a need as a developmental tackle with upside. Honestly, the other half of this is the Patriots may make me look good on this one in a few years.

3.101 - Elway Pick: Brendan Langley, CB/RS

Elliot's Pick:
Jaleel Johnson, NT - I don't believe in the free agents we brought in to shore up the run game, and Johnson is a good value passed pick 100. He may never be elite but he's a big body who is young and who I trust to hold his own and be a solid pro. I'll take that here.

5.145 - Elway's Pick: Jake Butt, TE - I'll stay put with the trade and the player. I was tempted to stay put and draft Carlos Watkins, DE from Clemson to further shore up our DL, but I will stick with Butt.

5.172 - Elway's Pick: Isaiah McKenzie, WR/ST

Elliot's Pick:
Brian Allen, CB - Allen is a 6'3 215 lb former receiver that Utah turned into a cornerback. Like Langley in the 3rd round Allen is extremely raw but has the measurables and athletic upside that project to your prototypical DB. I much prefer that type in the later rounds.

6.203 - Elway's Pick: De'Angelo Henderson, RB

Elliot's Pick:
Brad Kaaya, QB - Rather have Kaaya here than Chad Kelly as the last pick, that's for sure.

7.253 - Elway's Pick: Chad Kelly, QB

Elliot's Pick:
Steven Taylor, LB - He's undersized and that's probably why he didn't get picked. Taylor enjoys the physical aspect of the game, plays like a missile downhill. Put up insane numbers his Junior year at Houston. I love a true football player at linebacker and I'll take that "football guy" who is undersized all day at linebacker over the athlete linebacker with no feel for the game and no instincts.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 28, 2017 9:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

1.20- Reuben Foster
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 28, 2017 9:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Glad to see it's back. Lot of fun to review later.

DAY 1

1.20 Reuben Foster ILB - elite ILB, leader of D for the next decade, if all goes well. Top 5 talent.


DAY 2

2.51 Dan Feeney G - nothing against Walker (if it was Bolles Rd1, totally OK with Walker Rd2), but if OL is a need I passed over for BPA Foster Rd1, then upgrading G is the call Rd2, no T is worth it here. Could have easily gone Dion Dawkins here, especially given the power game fit, but you know what, I love the guy, I'd rather put my flag to the guy I love. It's just a mock.

3.82 Derek Rivers EDGE - I'm going to give a nod to both Counselor, who's banging the drum, and the fact that you just don't pass up difference making talent.

3.101 Howard Wilson CB - I love his game, and I think his 40 time is misleading, because his 3-cone, shuttle, and more importantly, his film, say he's a great fit in our scheme. Sign me up.


DAY3

Both early trades are fantastic, totally on board with them. Accepted SF & CLE trade. Did not accept trade to move up to get another ST return guy (I know I don't have one yet, working on it - see below).

5.145 Jake Butt TE - cannot argue the value here. If it wasn't his 2nd ACL tear he would have been long gone. This changes things a bit for me, can't be contrarian. NO CHANGE.

(Don't trade up for 172)

5.175 - Danny Isidora G - taking a page from how the Chargers are improving their OL, double dip with Isidora. On a bad OL he stood out with his play, stout in the run, and in the pass protection game. Pro style O helps him get ready quickly to help in Year 1. No way we move up to get another ST guy when we had Henderson in the original mock. Won't do it here, because it's coming (later). If you don't like Isidora, then spend it on Caleb Brantley (gotta put that on record after the Brantley draft thread debate lol).

6.203 - De'Angelo Henderson RB - no problem whatsoever with this pick. Need RB with CJ's $ coming off the books next year, and he's at worst a CoP guy, Booker isn't likely a workhorse, a committee makes great sense. NO CHANGE.

7.238 - Kermit Whitfield, PR/KR/gadget, FSU - you can find KR/PR specialist late. This is the nation's best KR the last 3 years running. Purely a gadget guy, but this guy has been doing it for his entire NCAA career. 4.4 wheels, great vision in returns. Too small to help elsewhere other than as a gadget guy, but again, we're spend a Rd7 pick to address ST. Gets Jordan Norwood off the team, which is a plus, and gives us the home run threat for KR/PR.

7.253 - Chad Kelly QB - I don't mind this pick at all. Easy to put Kelly as a GD inactive. If it ends up that Lynch does in fact progress as hoped, then we could only justify trading one of our 2 cheap QB's if we had a capable backup. If that doesn't happen, nothing lost by having 3 QB's. Frankly, with our OL as it is, having 3 QB's is a smart idea. NO CHANGE.

That 7th round pick means I'll save Mr. Irrelevant I put before in the UDFA pile....


UDFA pick - KD Cannon, WR - with Elijah Lee going off just before we'd have picked, I'll address WR depth a different way than slot - let's get a burner who will be a boundary guy. DT or Sanders can slot in when he's out there. 4.4 wheels, absolute burner, and 37" vert gives him a huge catch radius. He still needs to work on his high-pointing to max that out, and his route running needs work, so he's just a lid lifter at this stage. But then again, this is why we're at Rd7 undrafted so far. More than 1 way to get our speed infusion, with Butt in short-intermediate game, Cannon deep, and D-Henderson/Booker as backfield receiving threats, a lot more for D's to account for besides DT & Sanders.

I'll address 3-4 DE with Jaye Howard in UFA and more T depth with King Dunlap, we've got the $ and Howard's a perfect fit to address run D (Walker wouldn't have helped us there this year until he bulked up), and we piecemeal T until a better FA class/trade opp/draft opp presents itself. I would have loved to have Walker as a long term DE, but if you get Foster, have to get OL early, Rd2 is where the sweet spot for G was. Isidora is a major bonus, as IRL he went 7 picks later. Double up baby. Instead of paying early Rd3 to get an electric KR/PR who will need time to develop, just get an electric KR/PR-only guy Rd 7, and still have speed with Cannon and D-Henderson at outside WR/RB.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 28, 2017 10:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

1.20 Reuben Foster
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 28, 2017 12:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yep I'm Foster as well. Don't mind the Bolles pick, he was 1 of like 8 guys I was fine with at #20, but Foster was one of the best prospects in this draft.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 28, 2017 1:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

1.20: Reuben Foster
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