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PostPosted: Fri Apr 14, 2017 1:58 pm    Post subject: Trade down Mock Reply with quote

I'll bite on the trade down rumor with the Browns

Broncos trade 20 for 33 and 65 and 2018 6th (Points are almost even with 33 and 65 but Browns throw in a bonus with the 2018 6th since we lose a 5th year option)

33. Evan Engram TE Ole Miss
We need this type of weapon in our offense. Similar type of field stretcher and zone destroyer that Sharpe was. If Elway wants his young QBs to succeed they need protection and a safety valve like this.

2.51 Roderick Johnson OT FSU
He has some tools to mold. He isn't a finished product but his size and athletic ability give Denver a player to mold into a LT of the future.

3.65 Julie'n Davenport OT Bucknell
Double dipping even with Watson signing and Stephenson on the roster? Yes. It can't hurt to have two players who have the potential to develop into blind side protectors. Stephenson won't pan out and Watson is always hurt.

3.83- Howard Wilson CB Houston
I really like Wilson's game and think he could be an impact player in our secondary. He needs to gain muscle but he will be the 4th/5th CB this year if no injuries happen to our top 3. High upside player.

3.102- Trey Hendrickson OLB FAU
Hendrickson has almost identical testing numbers to Ryan Kerrigan. He will have to transition to OLB but he provides depth as a pass rush specialist immediately in his rookie year while he develops. He is relentless and I like his potential. Could go much higher.

4.126- Anthony Walker ILB NW
Walker had a down year due to his weight gain. He is a player who can cover in the middle of the field and can make plays. He can be the third ILB and come in and replace Davis on passing downs while he hones his game. The staff likes Davis apparently.

5.177- TJ Logan RB UNC
We get an explosive playmaker at this juncture to be a returner and spark plug for the offense. I know it isn't McCaffrey or Samuel but a nice consolation prize this late in the draft.

6.203- Kenny Golladay WR NIU
I really like Golladay. He is similar to Latimer but I think he loves the game more. He could be a great third receiver for us. He has good size and strength to match underrated speed. He might be gone at this point but if not we should pick him up.

7.238- Gavin Andrews OG Oregon State
Andrews is a big player who can fit our power scheme and adds depth inside.

7.252- Alex Torgenson QB Penn
Intelligent big passer who has some upside as a developmental guy and PS stash.

7.253- Michael Tyson S Cincy
Safety depth with some playmaker potential could fit in nicely as a fifth safety with special teams potential.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 14, 2017 4:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Two developmental OT's that are a ways away from being contributors?

Drafting that high you'll never get them on the PS.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 14, 2017 6:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If we are trading back it's likely to get a T at value. Don't really see going Engram then spending 2 picks on raw T.

The concept is sound but I don't see developmental T going that early. I'd rather go BPA at Rd 2-3 there is no way those T are even close to value there. If we don't go T early then going BPA and filling DE CB TE (who all likely slot higher overall by a fair margin over those T in Rd 2) is the way to go IMO.

Either:

T 2.33
best TE next pick
CB/DE/Zay Jones 3.65

Best DE/TE 2.33
Best CB/other position we didn't take at 2.33
Best position of CB/DE/TE we haven't chosen/Zay Jones 3.65
(Developmental T can then go Rd 3.82 or comp)

would be how I'd use those 3 picks.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 15, 2017 8:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm shocked for the value of trading down 14 spots is just a 3rd.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 15, 2017 8:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

thebestever6 wrote:
I'm shocked for the value of trading down 14 spots is just a 3rd.


Except that it's 3.01.

Teams aren't obligated to follow the draft trade chart but it's pretty much spot on there. 270 pts are the gap between 1.20 and 2.33 and 3.65 is rated at 265 pts

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/draft/draft-trade-chart/
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 15, 2017 9:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Broncofan wrote:
thebestever6 wrote:
I'm shocked for the value of trading down 14 spots is just a 3rd.


Except that it's 3.01.

Teams aren't obligated to follow the draft trade chart but it's pretty much spot on there. 270 pts are the gap between 1.20 and 2.33 and 3.65 is rated at 265 pts

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/draft/draft-trade-chart/


to me the only way elway trades down is if he truly feels theres not much of a gap between the tackles, so moving down an aquiring an extra pick makes sense in a deep draft.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 15, 2017 10:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

thebestever6 wrote:
Broncofan wrote:
thebestever6 wrote:
I'm shocked for the value of trading down 14 spots is just a 3rd.


Except that it's 3.01.

Teams aren't obligated to follow the draft trade chart but it's pretty much spot on there. 270 pts are the gap between 1.20 and 2.33 and 3.65 is rated at 265 pts

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/draft/draft-trade-chart/


to me the only way elway trades down is if he truly feels theres not much of a gap between the tackles, so moving down an aquiring an extra pick makes sense in a deep draft.


Problem is, there's a large gap between the OT's after the first three are gone.

Right now, every OT on our roster except one (UDFA Murray) is a "developmental" OT that never developed. We're in about the same position at OG.

Why add more to the mix when what we need are starters, not more bodies to "develop".
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 16, 2017 2:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

AKRNA wrote:
thebestever6 wrote:
Broncofan wrote:
thebestever6 wrote:
I'm shocked for the value of trading down 14 spots is just a 3rd.


Except that it's 3.01.

Teams aren't obligated to follow the draft trade chart but it's pretty much spot on there. 270 pts are the gap between 1.20 and 2.33 and 3.65 is rated at 265 pts

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/draft/draft-trade-chart/


to me the only way elway trades down is if he truly feels theres not much of a gap between the tackles, so moving down an aquiring an extra pick makes sense in a deep draft.


Problem is, there's a large gap between the OT's after the first three are gone.

Right now, every OT on our roster except one (UDFA Murray) is a "developmental" OT that never developed. We're in about the same position at OG.

Why add more to the mix when what we need are starters, not more bodies to "develop".

What I meant that elway doesn't see a big gap between the top 3 tackles and views this as a deep draft. So ideally he'd be able to trade down get a tackle at 33 while adding another 3rd.

I don't think it's a secret elway can't afford to remain where we are and go best player available. Once we aquire a tackle it gives us a lot more availability to select bpa. This is elways mindset.

And that only changes if a premiere player falls to 20 that the talent is too good to pass up.

Getting an extra 3rd also allows us to trade up in the second with our second one. So if an elite sure fire prospect doesn't fall. Landing two top prospects in the second roundand 2 nice prospects in the third is the next best thing.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 16, 2017 2:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I really feel like you can land a top 3 tackle at pick 33 and trade up from 51 to land Everett
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 24, 2017 4:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dig this draft a lot!
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 24, 2017 4:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not really digging the idea of spending two top 65 picks on OT's who are practice squad level in their rawness.

Love Engram though and Walker though.
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