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WHO DO WE TARGET?
EDGE and more pass rushers
33%
 33%  [ 13 ]
CB and then EDGE
30%
 30%  [ 12 ]
CB and more cover guys
2%
 2%  [ 1 ]
A big on the DL and then CB/EDGE
0%
 0%  [ 0 ]
Best Available (Off Included) and then CB/EDGE
33%
 33%  [ 13 ]
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Cadmus


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 20, 2017 8:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

justo wrote:
Conley is Roby and Griffin is Gaines


I agree with you on Conley, but I think there are better comps for Griffin.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 21, 2017 1:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's my best shot at comps for my top 25 CBs.

1. Marshon Lattimore (Top 10) Desmond Trufant
2. Gareon Conley (Mid 1st) Bradley Roby
3. Marlon Humphrey (Mid 1st) Darius Slay
4. Kevin King (Late 1st-Early 2nd) [A Taller, Slimmer] Delvin Breaux
5. Ahkello Witherspoon (Early-Mid 2nd) [A Taller] David Amerson
6. Adoree' Jackson (Mid 2nd) Adam Jones
7. Quincy Wilson (Mid 2nd) Xavien Howard
8. Tre'Davious White (Mid-Late 2nd) Kareem Jackson
9. Chidobe Awuzie (Mid-Late 2nd) Prince Amukamara
10. Cordrea Tankersley (Mid 3rd) Terrell Thomas
11. Fabian Moreau (Mid-Late 3rd) Brandon Carr
12. Sidney Jones (INJ) (Late 3rd) [A Slimmer] Marcus Peters
13. Teez Tabor (CHAR) (Late 3rd-Early 4th) Josh Norman
15. Jourdan Lewis (CHAR)(Late 3rd-Early 4th) Chris Harris
14. Cameron Sutton (Early 4th) Kendall Fuller
16. Corn Elder (Mid-Late 4th) Aaron Colvin
17. Jalen Myrick (Late 4th-Early 5th) Orlando Scandrick
18. Damontae Kazee (Early 5th) William Gay
19. Shaquill Griffin (Mid 5th) Nolan Carroll
20. Brian Allen (Mid-Late 5th) Chris Cook
21. Nate Hairston (Late 5th) Kayvon Webster
22. Rasul Douglas (Late 5th) Deiondre’ Hall
23. Howard Wilson (Early 6th) Jacoby Glenn
24. Channing Stribbling (Mid-Late 6th) Pierre Desir
25. Marquez White (Late 6th) Mike Harris
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Can someone explain to me the differences in Watt's and Fackrell's game? To me it seems like we already have the Watt type on our roster. Athletic, raw, long, speed rusher. I understand that Watt's ceiling is higher based on him being an incredible athlete and new to defense, but it seems to me like they would occupy the same type of role.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 21, 2017 4:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm reaching the stage where every player is starting to look the same. How do I get out of that funk? Laughing

I was looking at corners last night and Lattimore, Conley, Humphrey, Wilson, White all started to look similar and I had trouble identifying what makes one better over the other.

Maybe its because I liked them all and that's the problem. I need to find something I don't like about them Laughing
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 21, 2017 11:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wilson is slow.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 21, 2017 11:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jaegybomb wrote:
Wilson is slow.


Which one?
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 21, 2017 11:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quincy
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 21, 2017 11:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Humphrey despite having every athletic trait one could ever hope for only put up mid 2nd round production. Tre isn't flashy on defense and maybe a little soft?
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 21, 2017 11:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cadmus wrote:
Here's my best shot at comps for my top 25 CBs.

1. Marshon Lattimore (Top 10) Desmond Trufant
2. Gareon Conley (Mid 1st) Bradley Roby
3. Marlon Humphrey (Mid 1st) Darius Slay
4. Kevin King (Late 1st-Early 2nd) [A Taller, Slimmer] Delvin Breaux
5. Ahkello Witherspoon (Early-Mid 2nd) [A Taller] David Amerson
6. Adoree' Jackson (Mid 2nd) Adam Jones
7. Quincy Wilson (Mid 2nd) Xavien Howard
8. Tre'Davious White (Mid-Late 2nd) Kareem Jackson
9. Chidobe Awuzie (Mid-Late 2nd) Prince Amukamara
10. Cordrea Tankersley (Mid 3rd) Terrell Thomas
11. Fabian Moreau (Mid-Late 3rd) Brandon Carr
12. Sidney Jones (INJ) (Late 3rd) [A Slimmer] Marcus Peters
13. Teez Tabor (CHAR) (Late 3rd-Early 4th) Josh Norman
15. Jourdan Lewis (CHAR)(Late 3rd-Early 4th) Chris Harris
14. Cameron Sutton (Early 4th) Kendall Fuller
16. Corn Elder (Mid-Late 4th) Aaron Colvin
17. Jalen Myrick (Late 4th-Early 5th) Orlando Scandrick
18. Damontae Kazee (Early 5th) William Gay
19. Shaquill Griffin (Mid 5th) Nolan Carroll
20. Brian Allen (Mid-Late 5th) Chris Cook
21. Nate Hairston (Late 5th) Kayvon Webster
22. Rasul Douglas (Late 5th) Deiondre’ Hall
23. Howard Wilson (Early 6th) Jacoby Glenn
24. Channing Stribbling (Mid-Late 6th) Pierre Desir
25. Marquez White (Late 6th) Mike Harris


Curious, who do think are the best scheme fits for us at CB?
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 21, 2017 11:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

BlondeonBlonde wrote:
Curious, who do think are the best scheme fits for us at CB?


1. Marshon Lattimore (Top 10) Desmond Trufant
2. Gareon Conley (Mid 1st) Bradley Roby
3. Marlon Humphrey (Mid 1st) Darius Slay
4. Kevin King (Late 1st-Early 2nd) [A Taller, Slimmer] Delvin Breaux
5. Ahkello Witherspoon (Early-Mid 2nd) [A Taller] David Amerson
6. Adoree' Jackson (Mid 2nd) Adam Jones
7. Quincy Wilson (Mid 2nd) Xavien Howard
8. Tre'Davious White (Mid-Late 2nd) Kareem Jackson
9. Chidobe Awuzie (Mid-Late 2nd) Prince Amukamara
10. Cordrea Tankersley (Mid 3rd) Terrell Thomas
11. Fabian Moreau (Mid-Late 3rd) Brandon Carr
12. Sidney Jones (INJ) (Late 3rd) [A Slimmer] Marcus Peters
13. Teez Tabor (CHAR) (Late 3rd-Early 4th) Josh Norman
15. Jourdan Lewis (CHAR)(Late 3rd-Early 4th) Chris Harris
14. Cameron Sutton (Early 4th) Kendall Fuller
16. Corn Elder (Mid-Late 4th) Aaron Colvin
17. Jalen Myrick (Late 4th-Early 5th) Orlando Scandrick
18. Damontae Kazee (Early 5th) William Gay
19. Shaquill Griffin (Mid 5th) Nolan Carroll
20. Brian Allen (Mid-Late 5th) Chris Cook
21. Nate Hairston (Late 5th) Kayvon Webster
22. Rasul Douglas (Late 5th) Deiondre’ Hall
23. Howard Wilson (Early 6th) Jacoby Glenn
24. Channing Stribbling (Mid-Late 6th) Pierre Desir
25. Marquez White (Late 6th) Mike Harris
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ajdodge09 wrote:
Can someone explain to me the differences in Watt's and Fackrell's game? To me it seems like we already have the Watt type on our roster. Athletic, raw, long, speed rusher. I understand that Watt's ceiling is higher based on him being an incredible athlete and new to defense, but it seems to me like they would occupy the same type of role.


Fackrell is older, not as strong and not as quick.

Watt is still learning the position, probably has more power, probably is a better athlete, probably has a better motor and probably isn't as good off of the ball as Fackrell is right now.

But yes, they are similar. I think the key thing is age. Fackrell may have reached his prime already (or close to it) and Watt is just scratching the surface of what he can do.
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vegas492 wrote:
ajdodge09 wrote:
Can someone explain to me the differences in Watt's and Fackrell's game? To me it seems like we already have the Watt type on our roster. Athletic, raw, long, speed rusher. I understand that Watt's ceiling is higher based on him being an incredible athlete and new to defense, but it seems to me like they would occupy the same type of role.


Fackrell is older, not as strong and not as quick.

Watt is still learning the position, probably has more power, probably is a better athlete, probably has a better motor and probably isn't as good off of the ball as Fackrell is right now.

But yes, they are similar. I think the key thing is age. Fackrell may have reached his prime already (or close to it) and Watt is just scratching the surface of what he can do.


Strength of competition? Watt put up #s against the big boys. Fackrell didn't see a legitimate OL in his two years of starting.
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vegas492 wrote:
ajdodge09 wrote:
Can someone explain to me the differences in Watt's and Fackrell's game? To me it seems like we already have the Watt type on our roster. Athletic, raw, long, speed rusher. I understand that Watt's ceiling is higher based on him being an incredible athlete and new to defense, but it seems to me like they would occupy the same type of role.


Fackrell is older, not as strong and not as quick.

Watt is still learning the position, probably has more power, probably is a better athlete, probably has a better motor and probably isn't as good off of the ball as Fackrell is right now.

But yes, they are similar. I think the key thing is age. Fackrell may have reached his prime already (or close to it) and Watt is just scratching the surface of what he can do.


He's 25, not 35.

If he was 2 years younger but the IDENTICAL player nobody would say this stuff. I think it's insanely overrated. You don't hit your prime just by getting older, you do it by working under NFL coaches with an NFL regiment.
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NormSizedMidget wrote:
vegas492 wrote:
ajdodge09 wrote:
Can someone explain to me the differences in Watt's and Fackrell's game? To me it seems like we already have the Watt type on our roster. Athletic, raw, long, speed rusher. I understand that Watt's ceiling is higher based on him being an incredible athlete and new to defense, but it seems to me like they would occupy the same type of role.


Fackrell is older, not as strong and not as quick.

Watt is still learning the position, probably has more power, probably is a better athlete, probably has a better motor and probably isn't as good off of the ball as Fackrell is right now.

But yes, they are similar. I think the key thing is age. Fackrell may have reached his prime already (or close to it) and Watt is just scratching the surface of what he can do.


He's 25, not 35.

If he was 2 years younger but the IDENTICAL player nobody would say this stuff. I think it's insanely overrated. You don't hit your prime just by getting older, you do it by working under NFL coaches with an NFL regiment.


I'd agree, but you just have slightly less room for improvement. Fackrell isn't going to recover at 25 the same as he recovered at 23. There are differences, but not the differences people make things out to be.

Based on combine/pro day numbers, it would be accurate to say that Watt is the faster, stronger, more explosive athlete. The only edges Fack has are an inch of height and 1/4 inch of arm length.

I don't think either are bad athletes and I'm excited to see what Fackrell can do with a year in the system. There are a dozen guys I'd be happy with in R1 this year, and Watt is one of them.

https://www.mockdraftable.com/player/tj-watt
https://www.mockdraftable.com/player/kyler-fackrell
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blankman0021 wrote:
NormSizedMidget wrote:
vegas492 wrote:
ajdodge09 wrote:
Can someone explain to me the differences in Watt's and Fackrell's game? To me it seems like we already have the Watt type on our roster. Athletic, raw, long, speed rusher. I understand that Watt's ceiling is higher based on him being an incredible athlete and new to defense, but it seems to me like they would occupy the same type of role.


Fackrell is older, not as strong and not as quick.

Watt is still learning the position, probably has more power, probably is a better athlete, probably has a better motor and probably isn't as good off of the ball as Fackrell is right now.

But yes, they are similar. I think the key thing is age. Fackrell may have reached his prime already (or close to it) and Watt is just scratching the surface of what he can do.


He's 25, not 35.

If he was 2 years younger but the IDENTICAL player nobody would say this stuff. I think it's insanely overrated. You don't hit your prime just by getting older, you do it by working under NFL coaches with an NFL regiment.


I'd agree, but you just have slightly less room for improvement. Fackrell isn't going to recover at 25 the same as he recovered at 23. There are differences, but not the differences people make things out to be.

Based on combine/pro day numbers, it would be accurate to say that Watt is the faster, stronger, more explosive athlete. The only edges Fack has are an inch of height and 1/4 inch of arm length.

I don't think either are bad athletes and I'm excited to see what Fackrell can do with a year in the system. There are a dozen guys I'd be happy with in R1 this year, and Watt is one of them.

https://www.mockdraftable.com/player/tj-watt
https://www.mockdraftable.com/player/kyler-fackrell


Yeah. IDK like HaHa will be 25 this year. Does anyone talk about his age and him not being able to get better? That's my point, which I think you got, I was just tacking on more.
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