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DavidatMIZZOU


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 17, 2017 2:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shanedorf wrote:
Here's a link to Over The Cap listing of unsigned FAs. It's not totally current but the number of vets still on the street is pretty substantial

http://overthecap.com/free-agency

Revis
A Peterson
Vincent Jackson
Jamaal Charles
Brandon Flowers
Nick Mangold
Ryan Clady
Victor Cruz
Glenn Dorsey


Of those, only Jamaal Charles interests me in the slightest.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 17, 2017 2:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

DavidatMIZZOU wrote:
Shanedorf wrote:
Here's a link to Over The Cap listing of unsigned FAs. It's not totally current but the number of vets still on the street is pretty substantial

http://overthecap.com/free-agency

Revis
A Peterson
Vincent Jackson
Jamaal Charles
Brandon Flowers
Nick Mangold
Ryan Clady
Victor Cruz
Glenn Dorsey


Of those, only Jamaal Charles interests me in the slightest.

Me too. And I'm only interested after the draft. I think these guys will have to wait and see what happens with the draft and then possible camp/pre-season injuries.

I still have my fingers crossed on that Browns kid at corner. Gilbert. I'd like to see him brought into camp to see if he actually wants to have a career. He's got special teams value that interests me and he'd instantly be one of the better athletes on that defense. I still keep thinking that he's worth a look.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 20, 2017 8:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There are currently 10 CBs in the NFL that were drafted before 2009.

6 of those CBs ran in the 4.3s.

8 of those CBs ran sub 4.45. (The two that ran between 4.40 and 4.44 had 10 yard splits below 1.50. Both players performed better in the 10 yard split than 5 of the 6 CBs that ran in the 4.3s)

10 of those CBs ran sub 4.49 (The two that ran between 4.45 and 4.49 are both depth pieces and were never shutdown corners).

Speed matters when you hit 30. There are very few examples of CBs that succeed beyond 30 that don't possess elite speed.

*Fun Fact* 1 of the 10 CBs was drafted by Thompson.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 20, 2017 9:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cadmus wrote:
There are currently 10 CBs in the NFL that were drafted before 2009.

6 of those CBs ran in the 4.3s.

8 of those CBs ran sub 4.45. (The two that ran between 4.40 and 4.44 had 10 yard splits below 1.50. Both players performed better in the 10 yard split than 5 of the 6 CBs that ran in the 4.3s)

10 of those CBs ran sub 4.49 (The two that ran between 4.45 and 4.49 are both depth pieces and were never shutdown corners).

Speed matters when you hit 30. There are very few examples of CBs that succeed beyond 30 that don't possess elite speed.

*Fun Fact* 1 of the 10 CBs was drafted by Thompson.

What do you work for ESPN? Tell us the CB.

Off the top of my head, Will Blackmon?
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 20, 2017 9:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ChaRisMa wrote:
Cadmus wrote:
There are currently 10 CBs in the NFL that were drafted before 2009.

6 of those CBs ran in the 4.3s.

8 of those CBs ran sub 4.45. (The two that ran between 4.40 and 4.44 had 10 yard splits below 1.50. Both players performed better in the 10 yard split than 5 of the 6 CBs that ran in the 4.3s)

10 of those CBs ran sub 4.49 (The two that ran between 4.45 and 4.49 are both depth pieces and were never shutdown corners).

Speed matters when you hit 30. There are very few examples of CBs that succeed beyond 30 that don't possess elite speed.

*Fun Fact* 1 of the 10 CBs was drafted by Thompson.

What do you work for ESPN? Tell us the CB.

Off the top of my head, Will Blackmon?


Correct. The other depth piece/occasional #2 was William Gay.

Blackmon ran a 4.46
W. Gay ran a 4.48
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 20, 2017 9:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cadmus wrote:
ChaRisMa wrote:
Cadmus wrote:
There are currently 10 CBs in the NFL that were drafted before 2009.

6 of those CBs ran in the 4.3s.

8 of those CBs ran sub 4.45. (The two that ran between 4.40 and 4.44 had 10 yard splits below 1.50. Both players performed better in the 10 yard split than 5 of the 6 CBs that ran in the 4.3s)

10 of those CBs ran sub 4.49 (The two that ran between 4.45 and 4.49 are both depth pieces and were never shutdown corners).

Speed matters when you hit 30. There are very few examples of CBs that succeed beyond 30 that don't possess elite speed.

*Fun Fact* 1 of the 10 CBs was drafted by Thompson.

What do you work for ESPN? Tell us the CB.

Off the top of my head, Will Blackmon?


Correct. The other depth piece/occasional #2 was William Gay.

Blackmon ran a 4.46
W. Gay ran a 4.48


So, you have to either run faster than a 4.46, OR be named William.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 20, 2017 10:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cadmus wrote:
ChaRisMa wrote:
Cadmus wrote:
There are currently 10 CBs in the NFL that were drafted before 2009.

6 of those CBs ran in the 4.3s.

8 of those CBs ran sub 4.45. (The two that ran between 4.40 and 4.44 had 10 yard splits below 1.50. Both players performed better in the 10 yard split than 5 of the 6 CBs that ran in the 4.3s)

10 of those CBs ran sub 4.49 (The two that ran between 4.45 and 4.49 are both depth pieces and were never shutdown corners).

Speed matters when you hit 30. There are very few examples of CBs that succeed beyond 30 that don't possess elite speed.

*Fun Fact* 1 of the 10 CBs was drafted by Thompson.

What do you work for ESPN? Tell us the CB.

Off the top of my head, Will Blackmon?


Correct. The other depth piece/occasional #2 was William Gay.

Blackmon ran a 4.46
W. Gay ran a 4.48

Pretty sure Blackmon is playing Safety now, and he is basically garbage. But I give him a lot of credit. Dude did a lot of rehab when there wasn't really work for him and when he got another chance he played well.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 20, 2017 10:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ChaRisMa wrote:
Cadmus wrote:
ChaRisMa wrote:
Cadmus wrote:
There are currently 10 CBs in the NFL that were drafted before 2009.

6 of those CBs ran in the 4.3s.

8 of those CBs ran sub 4.45. (The two that ran between 4.40 and 4.44 had 10 yard splits below 1.50. Both players performed better in the 10 yard split than 5 of the 6 CBs that ran in the 4.3s)

10 of those CBs ran sub 4.49 (The two that ran between 4.45 and 4.49 are both depth pieces and were never shutdown corners).

Speed matters when you hit 30. There are very few examples of CBs that succeed beyond 30 that don't possess elite speed.

*Fun Fact* 1 of the 10 CBs was drafted by Thompson.

What do you work for ESPN? Tell us the CB.

Off the top of my head, Will Blackmon?


Correct. The other depth piece/occasional #2 was William Gay.

Blackmon ran a 4.46
W. Gay ran a 4.48

Pretty sure Blackmon is playing Safety now, and he is basically garbage. But I give him a lot of credit. Dude did a lot of rehab when there wasn't really work for him and when he got another chance he played well.


Yep, he switched last summer (after he tuned 31 in October of 2015), which only further reinforces what I've been saying about older CBs.

It's also why I'd be fine with signing a certain FA CB that will turn 30 in August who ran a 4.30 (with a 1.44 split).

Highly unlikely to happen, but he's one of the few that I would be alright with us signing.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 20, 2017 11:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Even Deangelo Hall is playing S. And he was very fast.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 21, 2017 8:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cadmus wrote:


It's also why I'd be fine with signing a certain FA CB that will turn 30 in August who ran a 4.30 (with a 1.44 split).

Highly unlikely to happen, but he's one of the few that I would be alright with us signing.


Jason McCourty?
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 21, 2017 9:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

{Family Ghost} wrote:
Cadmus wrote:


It's also why I'd be fine with signing a certain FA CB that will turn 30 in August who ran a 4.30 (with a 1.44 split).

Highly unlikely to happen, but he's one of the few that I would be alright with us signing.


Jason McCourty?


Yep.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 21, 2017 9:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's a George Allen, Over-the-Hill Gang roster for 2017

All of these vintage, barrel-aged players are currently available
This is not a depth chart; at their age they are all rotated quite frequently

QB: Cutler, Kap, RGIII
RB: A.Peterson, J.Charles, Chris Johnson, DeAngelo Williams
WR: Vincent Jackson, Victor Cruz, Anquan Boldin, Stevie Johnson, Michael Floyd
OL: Ryan Clady, Nick Mangold, Brandon Fusco, King Dunlap, Breno Guacamole, Sebastian Volmer, Jahri Evans, Some Center named Bergstrom
TE: Jordan Cameron, Jacob Tamme, Ancient Matthew Mulligan

On Defense we have:

DL: Jared Odrick, Mario Williams, Glenn Dorsey, Senderick Marks, Paul Solai, Dwight Freeney, Cullen- freaking- Jenkins
LB: DQwell Jackson, Rey Maualuga, Arthur Jones, Trent Cole, Erik Walden, Paul Krugers Shadow, Akeem Dent, Bruce Carter

DB: Jason McCourty, Darelle Revis, Brandon Flowers, Trumaine Brock, J. Gilbert, A. Verner, S. Wright
S: Corey Graham, R. Johnson, Matt Elam, Donte Whitner

K: Dan Carpenter
KR: Devin Hester
P: No punting, too tiring on the old guys to cover punts

Las Vegas sharps think this crew could win 3-4 games
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 21, 2017 9:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shanedorf wrote:
Here's a George Allen, Over-the-Hill Gang roster for 2017

All of these vintage, barrel-aged players are currently available
This is not a depth chart; at their age they are all rotated quite frequently

QB: Cutler, Kap, RGIII
RB: A.Peterson, J.Charles, Chris Johnson, DeAngelo Williams
WR: Vincent Jackson, Victor Cruz, Anquan Boldin, Stevie Johnson, Michael Floyd
OL: Ryan Clady, Nick Mangold, Brandon Fusco, King Dunlap, Breno Guacamole, Sebastian Volmer, Jahri Evans, Some Center named Bergstrom
TE: Jordan Cameron, Jacob Tamme, Ancient Matthew Mulligan

On Defense we have:

DL: Jared Odrick, Mario Williams, Glenn Dorsey, Senderick Marks, Paul Solai, Dwight Freeney, Cullen- freaking- Jenkins
LB: DQwell Jackson, Rey Maualuga, Arthur Jones, Trent Cole, Erik Walden, Paul Krugers Shadow, Akeem Dent, Bruce Carter

DB: Jason McCourty, Darelle Revis, Brandon Flowers, Trumaine Brock, J. Gilbert, A. Verner, S. Wright
S: Corey Graham, R. Johnson, Matt Elam, Donte Whitner

K: Dan Carpenter
KR: Devin Hester
P: No punting, too tiring on the old guys to cover punts

Las Vegas sharps think this crew could win 3-4 games
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Better than I would have guessed it would be.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 22, 2017 2:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Anybody interested in NT Dan Williams of Oakland? He's a 330 lber and former 1st Rounder that is turning 30 before the start of the season. He could give us depth as a true NT to help stop the run. He would likely be cheaper than $9.5M over 2 years because Oakland cut him to save that money, so his price should be reasonable. Thoughts?
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 22, 2017 12:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is obviously old news and very random, but does anybody have any insight on why we let Datone Jones walk in free agency?

He wasn't a pro bowler by any means, but he was a recent first round pick who seemed to usually improve each season and is a good rotation edge guy.

It's not like we don't have the money and/or a ton of depth at the position. And he signed really cheaply elsewhere too, so it's not like money was a factor.
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