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PostPosted: Wed Apr 19, 2017 10:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

No coincidence Ade Jimoh was on our two best defenses of the last 20 years.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 19, 2017 12:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jeezy Fanatic wrote:
No coincidence Ade Jimoh was on our two best defenses of the last 20 years.
So was my man Demetric Evans, I seriously shed a tear when we didn't re-sign him. I still think he could have been a stop gap/depth guy behind Daniels until we had drafted or signed Daniels replacement which, we eventually did with Carriker and then Baker.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 19, 2017 7:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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HTTRG3Dynasty wrote:
turtle28 wrote:
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Who was the last SB winning team to run a 3-4? Was it the Ravens in 2012-13?
Denver, and NE plays a hybrid of the two. Coincidentally, both the 49ers & Ravens ran a 3-4 in the 2012-13 super bowl.


Yea, forgot about Denver.

Though Wade Phillips is much more creative than any 3-4 DC we've had here.
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Back for a second run as Broncos’ coordinator, Phillips has implemented his version of the 3-4 defense that simplifies the duties and exploits the depth and weapons on his roster. It’s a system that is adaptable, and one that his players have embraced.

“We try to fit what the players can do in the defense rather than saying, ‘OK, we’re a 4-3 or we’re a two-gap 3-4,’ ” Phillips said. “We’re a team where if a guy can stunt and rush the passer, we let him do that. If a guy is a power guy, we try to let him be that. It’s all what individual players can do.”


http://www.denverpost.com/2016/02/07/for-wade-phillips-broncos-3-4-defense-and-one-gap-equals-dominance/
Yet, he said he did t come here this year because of lack of talent or something to that affect.

Why would any of the best defensive coordinators come to DC when we don't have players like Bosa & Lugiet and Donald, Quinn, Brockers and Ogletree?


Well yea, Wade's scheme is dependent on having at least one game-changing player on the DL that can blow up an offensive gameplan. The dude went from prime Demarcus Ware to JJ Watt to Von Miller to Aaron Donald. Who would he have here? Ryan Kerrigan?

The 3-4 is just not very effective without a game-changing pass rusher. The 4-3 is the more effective defense to run if you only have a bunch of guys who are average or slightly above average, which is what we have.
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HTTRG3Dynasty wrote:
turtle28 wrote:
HTTRG3Dynasty wrote:
turtle28 wrote:
HTTRG3Dynasty wrote:
Who was the last SB winning team to run a 3-4? Was it the Ravens in 2012-13?
Denver, and NE plays a hybrid of the two. Coincidentally, both the 49ers & Ravens ran a 3-4 in the 2012-13 super bowl.


Yea, forgot about Denver.

Though Wade Phillips is much more creative than any 3-4 DC we've had here.
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Back for a second run as Broncos’ coordinator, Phillips has implemented his version of the 3-4 defense that simplifies the duties and exploits the depth and weapons on his roster. It’s a system that is adaptable, and one that his players have embraced.

“We try to fit what the players can do in the defense rather than saying, ‘OK, we’re a 4-3 or we’re a two-gap 3-4,’ ” Phillips said. “We’re a team where if a guy can stunt and rush the passer, we let him do that. If a guy is a power guy, we try to let him be that. It’s all what individual players can do.”


http://www.denverpost.com/2016/02/07/for-wade-phillips-broncos-3-4-defense-and-one-gap-equals-dominance/
Yet, he said he did t come here this year because of lack of talent or something to that affect.

Why would any of the best defensive coordinators come to DC when we don't have players like Bosa & Lugiet and Donald, Quinn, Brockers and Ogletree?


Well yea, Wade's scheme is dependent on having at least one game-changing player on the DL that can blow up an offensive gameplan. The dude went from prime Demarcus Ware to JJ Watt to Von Miller to Aaron Donald. Who would he have here? Ryan Kerrigan?

The 3-4 is just not very effective without a game-changing pass rusher. The 4-3 is the more effective defense to run if you only have a bunch of guys who are average or slightly above average, which is what we have.
I'd say no defense is effective without an elite pass rusher unless you have a defensive coordinator who's willing to blitz and gamble a lot like Gregg Williams - and if you have aggressive defensive playcalling you better have good to great DBs and LBs who are able to cover up for the hole created in the coverage from the blitz. We had that in 2004 & 05, and somewhat in 07, 08 and 09 but really haven't had it since.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 20, 2017 4:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jeezy Fanatic wrote:
No coincidence Ade Jimoh was on our two best defenses of the last 20 years.


Now that brings back memories! Adebola was a success and continues to be in the corporate housing arena rocking the MBA
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He spent 2016 draft picks: 2nd, 3rd, 5th, 7th and 2015 draft picks: 2nd, 5th, 6th, & another 6th on the defense. You always whine that McCloughan didn't spend draft picks on the defense. He did.


To be fair, it is also where he didn't spend on defense (2015 1st Scherff over Williams, trading out of 2016 4th when Billings was there). Those were my biggest complaints (a lesser one being Matt Jones in the 2015 3rd).
To be fair, those picks helped us become a top 10 offense in the NFL.


I'll agree that the Scherff pick did. I'm not sure I agree with Jones doing much of anything to make us a top 10 option, and I'm a bit confused how trading away a pick turned us into a top 10 offense last year. Wink Laughing
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 20, 2017 11:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thaiphoon wrote:
Woz wrote:

If we have to run a 4-2-5 2/3s or more a game because of how much the league throws the ball, why continue to select talent as if the franchise runs a 3-4 most of the game? Instead of forcing underweight outside linebackers down in the trenches, why not get honest-to-goodness defensive ends who fit a four man front?

In short, why not adjust to what you actually do instead of some Platonic ideal of what you want to do?


FINALLY, SOMEONE GETS IT!!!


Oh I've been "got" on this front for quite some time. Wink Laughing
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 20, 2017 11:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jeezy Fanatic wrote:
No coincidence Ade Jimoh was on our two best defenses of the last 20 years.


As well as our worst defense in the past 20 years ...
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