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PostPosted: Thu Mar 02, 2017 9:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jaleel Johnson in the 3rd?

He has a better chance of going at 24 than last until round 3.
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big_palooka wrote:
Jaleel Johnson in the 3rd?

He has a better chance of going at 24 than last until round 3.


Most people have him projected in the 3rd.
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big_palooka wrote:
Jaleel Johnson in the 3rd?

He has a better chance of going at 24 than last until round 3.


I agree. People sleepin on him. He's a good player in the trenches.

As for DB's, I'm still on the Sidney Jones hype train. In an ideal world, a good corner would fall to us in the 2nd, but I don't see it.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 02, 2017 4:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

MrOaktown_56 wrote:
big_palooka wrote:
Jaleel Johnson in the 3rd?

He has a better chance of going at 24 than last until round 3.


I agree. People sleepin on him. He's a good player in the trenches.

As for DB's, I'm still on the Sidney Jones hype train. In an ideal world, a good corner would fall to us in the 2nd, but I don't see it.


Yeah both guy I see as risers especially after the combine. Jones is already in the top 15 in some mocks. I expect Johnson to move into the top 50 by the draft.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 02, 2017 9:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

#24 - Traded to NYJ for #39, #107 and Sheldon Richardson

The Jets trade up to draft a QB in front of the Texans. This values Richardson at a 3rd round pick, which is (reportedly) his current trade value.

#39 - Jarrad Davis, LB, Florida
#56 - Taylor Moton, OT, Western Michigan
#88 - Elijah Qualls, NT, Washington
#107 - Anthony Walker Jr, LB, Northwestern
#129 - Xavier Woods, S, Louisiana Tech
#168 - Shaquill Griffin, CB, UCF
#208 - De'Veon Smith, RB, Michigan
#242 - Brad Seaton, OT, Villanova
#244 - David Jones, DB/KR, Richmond
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 02, 2017 12:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

big_palooka wrote:
Jaleel Johnson in the 3rd?

He has a better chance of going at 24 than last until round 3.


Not that it means much but I was able to get him in the 3rd in my latest gm mock.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 02, 2017 2:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's been a bit since it has been discussed in this thread, but I think the late 2nd to 3rd round is exactly where Jaleel Johnson goes in this draft.

oakdb36 wrote:
#39 - Jarrad Davis, LB, Florida
#56 - Taylor Moton, OT, Western Michigan
#88 - Elijah Qualls, NT, Washington
#107 - Anthony Walker Jr, LB, Northwestern
#129 - Xavier Woods, S, Louisiana Tech
#168 - Shaquill Griffin, CB, UCF
#208 - De'Veon Smith, RB, Michigan
#242 - Brad Seaton, OT, Villanova
#244 - David Jones, DB/KR, Richmond

This draft would make for a nice haul. I don't think Qualls is a nose tackle in the NFL - he'd be a 3T in the Raiders' defense. I love Woods but I don't like his fit in the Raiders' defense - he's too similar to Karl Joseph.
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I think Qualls is pretty similar to Brandon Mebane as a prospect. He could play some 3T too but is a run stopper.

https://www.profootballfocus.com/draft-pff-scouting-report-elijah-qualls-di-washington/
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oakdb36 wrote:
I think Qualls is pretty similar to Brandon Mebane as a prospect. He could play some 3T too but is a run stopper.

https://www.profootballfocus.com/draft-pff-scouting-report-elijah-qualls-di-washington/

I disagree with PFF's assessment of his game. Especially this:
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Holds up better to double teams than many other DTs in the class.

Qualls gets pushed off the ball pretty often, especially against double teams. The Huskies do have this nose tackle however, Vita Vea, who might be a top 10 pick next year. He's a boulder.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 03, 2017 5:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

oakdb36 wrote:
#24 - Traded to NYJ for #39, #107 and Sheldon Richardson

The Jets trade up to draft a QB in front of the Texans. This values Richardson at a 3rd round pick, which is (reportedly) his current trade value.

#39 - Jarrad Davis, LB, Florida
#56 - Taylor Moton, OT, Western Michigan
#88 - Elijah Qualls, NT, Washington
#107 - Anthony Walker Jr, LB, Northwestern
#129 - Xavier Woods, S, Louisiana Tech
#168 - Shaquill Griffin, CB, UCF
#208 - De'Veon Smith, RB, Michigan
#242 - Brad Seaton, OT, Villanova
#244 - David Jones, DB/KR, Richmond


Would be a great trade for us. One extra draft pick and a possibly impact player at interior DL. There is obvious risk with Richardson, but could worth it.

Not a big fan of the Moton pick. I assume you put him at RT in front of Howard? I'd like to grab S or CB there instead.

Rest looks solid.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 19, 2017 7:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

So here is my final mock draft.

I think M.Lynch will get here before the draft, so view my mock draft with that in mind. Our 2nd 7th rounder goes back to Seattle in the Lynch trade IMO, so that is how I worked here.

1st: Jarrad Davis LB, Florida
He would come in and soldify our MLB spot pretty fast IMO. He should be an impact rookie player for us both against the run and against the pass.


2nd: Marcus Williams S, Utah
I think he would be a really nice pair to Karl Joseph. In year 1 he could be a rotational piece and we could rock some 3 S looks with him, Karl and Nelson.


3rd: Dalvin Tomlinson DT, Alabama
He is a pretty strong guy with some pass rush potential. I think he would be a really nice replacement for Dan Williams. He might slide this far in a pretty strong class. He played next to really good players along the DL, so some could hold that also against him.


4th: Shaquill Griffin CB, UCF
He has the size, the speed to play for us and he would have time behind our 3 veteran. He could make Carrie work for that slot spot and could be a ST contributor.


5th: Blair Brown LB, Ohio
A really solid LB prospect, who is a gift here. He could be a really good insurance policy behind Davis, who had some injuries in college. He could also battle with C.James and Jenkins for a WLB role. He can also be a big ST contributor in Bates's place IMO.

6th: Jeremy Clark CB, Michigan
Big, but raw press CB prospect, who could learn behind Sean and Amerson for at least a year. He could be a really good ST player and might turn out to be a good CB with coaching.

7th: Johnathan "Rudy" Ford S, Auburn
Great ST potential and could wind up as a better SS depth then Keith McGill easily. He could take Trawick's place IMO.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 19, 2017 8:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Your 4th and 5th round picks are both going to be taken in round 3 IMO.
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Rolni wrote:
So here is my final mock draft.

I think M.Lynch will get here before the draft, so view my mock draft with that in mind. Our 2nd 7th rounder goes back to Seattle in the Lynch trade IMO, so that is how I worked here.

1st: Jarrad Davis LB, Florida
He would come in and soldify our MLB spot pretty fast IMO. He should be an impact rookie player for us both against the run and against the pass.


2nd: Marcus Williams S, Utah
I think he would be a really nice pair to Karl Joseph. In year 1 he could be a rotational piece and we could rock some 3 S looks with him, Karl and Nelson.


3rd: Dalvin Tomlinson DT, Alabama
He is a pretty strong guy with some pass rush potential. I think he would be a really nice replacement for Dan Williams. He might slide this far in a pretty strong class. He played next to really good players along the DL, so some could hold that also against him.


4th: Shaquill Griffin CB, UCF
He has the size, the speed to play for us and he would have time behind our 3 veteran. He could make Carrie work for that slot spot and could be a ST contributor.


5th: Blair Brown LB, Ohio
A really solid LB prospect, who is a gift here. He could be a really good insurance policy behind Davis, who had some injuries in college. He could also battle with C.James and Jenkins for a WLB role. He can also be a big ST contributor in Bates's place IMO.

6th: Jeremy Clark CB, Michigan
Big, but raw press CB prospect, who could learn behind Sean and Amerson for at least a year. He could be a really good ST player and might turn out to be a good CB with coaching.

7th: Johnathan "Rudy" Ford S, Auburn
Great ST potential and could wind up as a better SS depth then Keith McGill easily. He could take Trawick's place IMO.


Very good draft. Only pick i'm not a fan of is Williams but that's because i see Joseph being a better fit at FS.
Also, I don't think we draft only D.
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Rolni wrote:
So here is my final mock draft.

I think M.Lynch will get here before the draft, so view my mock draft with that in mind. Our 2nd 7th rounder goes back to Seattle in the Lynch trade IMO, so that is how I worked here.

1st: Jarrad Davis LB, Florida
He would come in and soldify our MLB spot pretty fast IMO. He should be an impact rookie player for us both against the run and against the pass.


2nd: Marcus Williams S, Utah
I think he would be a really nice pair to Karl Joseph. In year 1 he could be a rotational piece and we could rock some 3 S looks with him, Karl and Nelson.


3rd: Dalvin Tomlinson DT, Alabama
He is a pretty strong guy with some pass rush potential. I think he would be a really nice replacement for Dan Williams. He might slide this far in a pretty strong class. He played next to really good players along the DL, so some could hold that also against him.


4th: Shaquill Griffin CB, UCF
He has the size, the speed to play for us and he would have time behind our 3 veteran. He could make Carrie work for that slot spot and could be a ST contributor.


5th: Blair Brown LB, Ohio
A really solid LB prospect, who is a gift here. He could be a really good insurance policy behind Davis, who had some injuries in college. He could also battle with C.James and Jenkins for a WLB role. He can also be a big ST contributor in Bates's place IMO.

6th: Jeremy Clark CB, Michigan
Big, but raw press CB prospect, who could learn behind Sean and Amerson for at least a year. He could be a really good ST player and might turn out to be a good CB with coaching.

7th: Johnathan "Rudy" Ford S, Auburn
Great ST potential and could wind up as a better SS depth then Keith McGill easily. He could take Trawick's place IMO.
1st 3 picks are awesome.

As for whoever said Woods doesnt fit because he is similar to Joseph and think that is exactly the reason we should take him. Two guys who should be able to play Free or Strong at a high level. Who plays where will settle itself out on its own.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 19, 2017 9:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

big_palooka wrote:
Your 4th and 5th round picks are both going to be taken in round 3 IMO.

You could be right. Haven't really seen any draft board where they would be so high...
We will see I guess.

oakdb36 wrote:

Very good draft. Only pick i'm not a fan of is Williams but that's because i see Joseph being a better fit at FS.
Also, I don't think we draft only D.

Thanks.
I think the staff looks for 2 similar players. They used Karl and Nelson more like left and right safety then SS and FS in the 2nd half of the season.

TiberiusRising wrote:

1st 3 picks are awesome.

As for whoever said Woods doesnt fit because he is similar to Joseph and think that is exactly the reason we should take him. Two guys who should be able to play Free or Strong at a high level. Who plays where will settle itself out on its own.


Thanks!

I also think that we try to have two guys, who can do both well, so they can play left and right S instead of SS and FS as I stated earlier to oakdb36.
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