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PostPosted: Sun Mar 19, 2017 6:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

BleedTheClock wrote:
Vanderdoes is going to be a really silent productive player. He is nowhere near as big, but he plays like Haloti Ngata. This isn't Aaron Donald or Ndamukong Suh, but I think he has a chance to be a nightmare taking on double teams and wearing out an interior OL.

When rambling on about Eddie Vanderdoes you happen to bring up the names of three All-Pro's. Laughing
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BleedTheClock wrote:
Vanderdoes is going to be a really silent productive player. He is nowhere near as big, but he plays like Haloti Ngata. Just a bulldozer with a pretty good gas tank. Provides interior pressure on passing downs better than expected for a dude with such a sloppy frame. He's not really big enough to anchor a 3-4 NT position, so I see him more of a 2-Tech/1-Tech in a 4-3. He could play some UT if you need him to. But this is not a dude that fits the 3-4. He's not athletic enough to be in space and he's not overly long to deal with OT's locking him up. He could develop into a quality NT, but he's not more than 300 pounds right now.

I think he plays significant minutes as a young guy and ends up becoming a borderline pro bowl player. This isn't Aaron Donald or Ndamukong Suh, but I think he has a chance to be a nightmare taking on double teams and wearing out an interior OL.

Wouldn't be the craziest thing I've ever seen if someone took him in the 2nd round. But I think he'll probably end up in rounds 3-4.


Actually, I'd take him to play NT in Wade's 3-4. I think he is strong enough to anchor in the middle. He's country strong, even at 305. Plus, Wade asks his NTs to 1-gap. But even if he had his NT 2-gap, I'd feel comfortable there. At 325 this year, Vanderdoes was basically immovable. But I still think he has that power and anchor at 305 (only with better explosion and stamina).
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Because there's literally zero correlation between Wonderlic scores and ability to comprehend an offense/defense. We're not talking about his ability to understand the X's and O's of the play design, we're talking about what are essentially brain teasers.


How about his inability to follow combine drills? Drills that he's surely done over and over in preparation for the event yet still repeatedly did them incorrectly? That's not concerning? I think all these things need to taken into account when wondering if he's going to be a mistake prone player at the next level if you're asking him to do anything other than run directly at the QB.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 20, 2017 12:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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How about his inability to follow combine drills? Drills that he's surely done over and over in preparation for the event yet still repeatedly did them incorrectly? That's not concerning? I think all these things need to taken into account when wondering if he's going to be a mistake prone player at the next level if you're asking him to do anything other than run directly at the QB.


Do you have any videos or GIFs to back that up? I'm legitimately asking, because I wasn't able to watch it.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 20, 2017 12:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

CalhounLambeau wrote:
BleedTheClock wrote:
Vanderdoes is going to be a really silent productive player. He is nowhere near as big, but he plays like Haloti Ngata. This isn't Aaron Donald or Ndamukong Suh, but I think he has a chance to be a nightmare taking on double teams and wearing out an interior OL.

When rambling on about Eddie Vanderdoes you happen to bring up the names of three All-Pro's. Laughing


Especially when 2 of those names were prefaced with the word "ISN'T". Rolling Eyes
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CWood21 wrote:
Jlash wrote:
How about his inability to follow combine drills? Drills that he's surely done over and over in preparation for the event yet still repeatedly did them incorrectly? That's not concerning? I think all these things need to taken into account when wondering if he's going to be a mistake prone player at the next level if you're asking him to do anything other than run directly at the QB.


Do you have any videos or GIFs to back that up? I'm legitimately asking, because I wasn't able to watch it.


I'm at work now, so I don't have time to search but I can't be the only one who saw this. But there was more than a couple times he did drills wrong. At one point he'd messed up one of the bag drills 2-3 times and was asked to just step out and let someone else go.
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Jlash wrote:
CWood21 wrote:
Jlash wrote:
How about his inability to follow combine drills? Drills that he's surely done over and over in preparation for the event yet still repeatedly did them incorrectly? That's not concerning? I think all these things need to taken into account when wondering if he's going to be a mistake prone player at the next level if you're asking him to do anything other than run directly at the QB.


Do you have any videos or GIFs to back that up? I'm legitimately asking, because I wasn't able to watch it.


I'm at work now, so I don't have time to search but I can't be the only one who saw this. But there was more than a couple times he did drills wrong. At one point he'd messed up one of the bag drills 2-3 times and was asked to just step out and let someone else go.

Takk McKinley struggled with instructions at the combine. I watched it. Very apparent.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 20, 2017 2:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

CalhounLambeau wrote:
Jlash wrote:
CWood21 wrote:
Jlash wrote:
How about his inability to follow combine drills? Drills that he's surely done over and over in preparation for the event yet still repeatedly did them incorrectly? That's not concerning? I think all these things need to taken into account when wondering if he's going to be a mistake prone player at the next level if you're asking him to do anything other than run directly at the QB.


Do you have any videos or GIFs to back that up? I'm legitimately asking, because I wasn't able to watch it.


I'm at work now, so I don't have time to search but I can't be the only one who saw this. But there was more than a couple times he did drills wrong. At one point he'd messed up one of the bag drills 2-3 times and was asked to just step out and let someone else go.

Takk McKinley struggled with instructions at the combine. I watched it. Very apparent.


The only instructions he needs is go get the quarterback
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MSURacerDT55 wrote:
CalhounLambeau wrote:
Jlash wrote:
CWood21 wrote:
Jlash wrote:
How about his inability to follow combine drills? Drills that he's surely done over and over in preparation for the event yet still repeatedly did them incorrectly? That's not concerning? I think all these things need to taken into account when wondering if he's going to be a mistake prone player at the next level if you're asking him to do anything other than run directly at the QB.


Do you have any videos or GIFs to back that up? I'm legitimately asking, because I wasn't able to watch it.


I'm at work now, so I don't have time to search but I can't be the only one who saw this. But there was more than a couple times he did drills wrong. At one point he'd messed up one of the bag drills 2-3 times and was asked to just step out and let someone else go.

Takk McKinley struggled with instructions at the combine. I watched it. Very apparent.


The only instructions he needs is go get the quarterback

Bud Dupre had almost identical issues coming out.
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CalhounLambeau wrote:
MSURacerDT55 wrote:
CalhounLambeau wrote:
Jlash wrote:
CWood21 wrote:
Jlash wrote:
How about his inability to follow combine drills? Drills that he's surely done over and over in preparation for the event yet still repeatedly did them incorrectly? That's not concerning? I think all these things need to taken into account when wondering if he's going to be a mistake prone player at the next level if you're asking him to do anything other than run directly at the QB.


Do you have any videos or GIFs to back that up? I'm legitimately asking, because I wasn't able to watch it.


I'm at work now, so I don't have time to search but I can't be the only one who saw this. But there was more than a couple times he did drills wrong. At one point he'd messed up one of the bag drills 2-3 times and was asked to just step out and let someone else go.

Takk McKinley struggled with instructions at the combine. I watched it. Very apparent.


The only instructions he needs is go get the quarterback

Bud Dupre had almost identical issues coming out.


Maybe he'll get to keep his hand down like Shane Ray
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BleedTheClock wrote:
Vanderdoes is going to be a really silent productive player. He is nowhere near as big, but he plays like Haloti Ngata. Just a bulldozer with a pretty good gas tank. Provides interior pressure on passing downs better than expected for a dude with such a sloppy frame. He's not really big enough to anchor a 3-4 NT position, so I see him more of a 2-Tech/1-Tech in a 4-3. He could play some UT if you need him to. But this is not a dude that fits the 3-4. He's not athletic enough to be in space and he's not overly long to deal with OT's locking him up. He could develop into a quality NT, but he's not more than 300 pounds right now.

I think he plays significant minutes as a young guy and ends up becoming a borderline pro bowl player. This isn't Aaron Donald or Ndamukong Suh, but I think he has a chance to be a nightmare taking on double teams and wearing out an interior OL.

Wouldn't be the craziest thing I've ever seen if someone took him in the 2nd round. But I think he'll probably end up in rounds 3-4.
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BleedTheClock wrote:
Vanderdoes is going to be a really silent productive player. He is nowhere near as big, but he plays like Haloti Ngata. Just a bulldozer with a pretty good gas tank. Provides interior pressure on passing downs better than expected for a dude with such a sloppy frame. He's not really big enough to anchor a 3-4 NT position, so I see him more of a 2-Tech/1-Tech in a 4-3. He could play some UT if you need him to. But this is not a dude that fits the 3-4. He's not athletic enough to be in space and he's not overly long to deal with OT's locking him up. He could develop into a quality NT, but he's not more than 300 pounds right now.

I think he plays significant minutes as a young guy and ends up becoming a borderline pro bowl player. This isn't Aaron Donald or Ndamukong Suh, but I think he has a chance to be a nightmare taking on double teams and wearing out an interior OL.

Wouldn't be the craziest thing I've ever seen if someone took him in the 2nd round. But I think he'll probably end up in rounds 3-4.
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MSURacerDT55 wrote:
CalhounLambeau wrote:
MSURacerDT55 wrote:
CalhounLambeau wrote:
Jlash wrote:
CWood21 wrote:
Jlash wrote:
How about his inability to follow combine drills? Drills that he's surely done over and over in preparation for the event yet still repeatedly did them incorrectly? That's not concerning? I think all these things need to taken into account when wondering if he's going to be a mistake prone player at the next level if you're asking him to do anything other than run directly at the QB.


Do you have any videos or GIFs to back that up? I'm legitimately asking, because I wasn't able to watch it.


I'm at work now, so I don't have time to search but I can't be the only one who saw this. But there was more than a couple times he did drills wrong. At one point he'd messed up one of the bag drills 2-3 times and was asked to just step out and let someone else go.

Takk McKinley struggled with instructions at the combine. I watched it. Very apparent.


The only instructions he needs is go get the quarterback

Bud Dupre had almost identical issues coming out.


Maybe he'll get to keep his hand down like Shane Ray

Most people think he's better as a standing rusher than with his hand in the dirt.
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TheRealMcCoy wrote:
MSURacerDT55 wrote:
CalhounLambeau wrote:
MSURacerDT55 wrote:
CalhounLambeau wrote:
Jlash wrote:
CWood21 wrote:
Jlash wrote:
How about his inability to follow combine drills? Drills that he's surely done over and over in preparation for the event yet still repeatedly did them incorrectly? That's not concerning? I think all these things need to taken into account when wondering if he's going to be a mistake prone player at the next level if you're asking him to do anything other than run directly at the QB.


Do you have any videos or GIFs to back that up? I'm legitimately asking, because I wasn't able to watch it.


I'm at work now, so I don't have time to search but I can't be the only one who saw this. But there was more than a couple times he did drills wrong. At one point he'd messed up one of the bag drills 2-3 times and was asked to just step out and let someone else go.

Takk McKinley struggled with instructions at the combine. I watched it. Very apparent.


The only instructions he needs is go get the quarterback

Bud Dupre had almost identical issues coming out.


Maybe he'll get to keep his hand down like Shane Ray

Most people think he's better as a standing rusher than with his hand in the dirt.



Like Calhoun said, and my whole point was if he struggled with instruction, why not simplify things and keep his hand in the ground. He would fit right in in a scheme like Seattle or Denver

And furthermore, just because a prospect has the athleticism to stand up doesn't mean they automatically have to stand up. There I said it....
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CalhounLambeau wrote:
MSURacerDT55 wrote:
CalhounLambeau wrote:
Jlash wrote:
CWood21 wrote:
Jlash wrote:
How about his inability to follow combine drills? Drills that he's surely done over and over in preparation for the event yet still repeatedly did them incorrectly? That's not concerning? I think all these things need to taken into account when wondering if he's going to be a mistake prone player at the next level if you're asking him to do anything other than run directly at the QB.


Do you have any videos or GIFs to back that up? I'm legitimately asking, because I wasn't able to watch it.


I'm at work now, so I don't have time to search but I can't be the only one who saw this. But there was more than a couple times he did drills wrong. At one point he'd messed up one of the bag drills 2-3 times and was asked to just step out and let someone else go.

Takk McKinley struggled with instructions at the combine. I watched it. Very apparent.


The only instructions he needs is go get the quarterback

Bud Dupre had almost identical issues coming out.


Yeah, but Dupree's explosive power was literally unprecedented; whereas, Takk tested like a lighter Dante Fowler (not good).
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