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Davon House: Our Newest Addition at CB
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Donzo


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 17, 2017 8:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

+1 to the OP...

This is the type of stuff that got me into message boards.
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Cadmus


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 18, 2017 2:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

NormSizedMidget wrote:
BobSacamano wrote:
One concern i had reading through that was seeing him get hurt.

IIRC, House wasn't able to stay consistently healthy in GB.


I posted this yesterday




Davon House injury history:

2011: 3 times on the IR (injury report) Inactive a bunch, I don't know what for and if it was the injuries.
2012: 11 weeks on IR.


Now let's look at the last 4 years

2013: ZERO times on the IR.
2014: 5 times on IR, Missed 3 games.
2015: Probable 3 times. Never missed a game.
2016: ZERO times on the IR.


Injury-prone?

To be fair, some players just start to take better care of their bodies as they age. It wouldn't surprise me at all if House was one of those players.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 18, 2017 8:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I thought I heard when he was with us before he gave Jordy fits at practice.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 19, 2017 3:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is the excellent post I was looking for earlier, from ChaRisMa

ChaRisMa wrote:

Corners are slow and hurt. Arrow Safeties have to help them constantly. Arrow Safeties aren't free to use instincts. Arrow Linebackers have more coverage responsibility. Arrow Linebackers aren't free to use instincts or pass rush. Arrow DL now asked to pressure QB and play run. Arrow Not their skill set by defensive design. Arrow Defense fails.

A chain is only as strong as it's weakest link. When we had Collins, Woodson, Tramon all in their prime we could do so much more on defense and not get toasted by it. We're still running the same system, just don't have two guys we feel comfortable matched up with anyone at corner anymore.


If House and Randall can man the boundary, that's big step forward
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Cadmus


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 19, 2017 11:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote



Bad news for Cook's contract, but good news for House's contract.

Appears to be (even more of) a bargain.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 20, 2017 1:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cadmus wrote:

2016: ZERO times on the IR.



Tough to get hurt from the bench Twisted Evil Twisted Evil Twisted Evil
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 20, 2017 6:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

theelcapitans wrote:
Cadmus wrote:

2016: ZERO times on the IR.



Tough to get hurt from the bench Twisted Evil Twisted Evil Twisted Evil


Well, he didn't get hurt in 2015 playing a 1000+ snaps either though.

I'm not saying he's immune to injury but this idea he can't stay healthy, at least on paper, seems like it's from his first two years and that's it, then stuck in everyone's head.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 20, 2017 7:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

NormSizedMidget wrote:
theelcapitans wrote:
Cadmus wrote:

2016: ZERO times on the IR.



Tough to get hurt from the bench Twisted Evil Twisted Evil Twisted Evil


Well, he didn't get hurt in 2015 playing a 1000+ snaps either though.

I'm not saying he's immune to injury but this idea he can't stay healthy, at least on paper, seems like it's from his first two years and that's it, then stuck in everyone's head.
First impressions and all. I don't see the injury thing as a problem. Sure, he could get hurt but he's no more likely then anyone else at this point.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 20, 2017 9:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ketchup wrote:
NormSizedMidget wrote:
theelcapitans wrote:
Cadmus wrote:

2016: ZERO times on the IR.



Tough to get hurt from the bench Twisted Evil Twisted Evil Twisted Evil


Well, he didn't get hurt in 2015 playing a 1000+ snaps either though.

I'm not saying he's immune to injury but this idea he can't stay healthy, at least on paper, seems like it's from his first two years and that's it, then stuck in everyone's head.
First impressions and all. I don't see the injury thing as a problem. Sure, he could get hurt but he's no more likely then anyone else at this point.


Is there a single poster on here who doesn't think our roster will be injury riddled by week 8? All we can do is pray Aaron doesn't get hurt. Packers losing key players to injury=water is wet.
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Cadmus


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 20, 2017 10:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pugger wrote:
I thought I heard when he was with us before he gave Jordy fits at practice.


This is true.

Nelson is on record saying that House was the toughest matchup for him during practice. It wasn't Williams, Shields or Hayward.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 21, 2017 11:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cadmus wrote:
Pugger wrote:
I thought I heard when he was with us before he gave Jordy fits at practice.


This is true.

Nelson is on record saying that House was the toughest matchup for him during practice. It wasn't Williams, Shields or Hayward.


Jordy doesn't deal well with longer corners though, so this doesn't surprise me. Shields was speed and agility and some technique, but Jordy could definitely get his. He could overpower Hayward and out maneuver him. But House has enough size and technique to be a nuisance. Jordy struggled mightily against Gilmore in 2014 (another longer corner).

I really like the acquisition. It gives us additional flexibility in late April.
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Somebody take the off season shovel out of Ted's hands & bury him in his own hole.

How can he dig a hole if he's too busy sitting on his hands?
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 21, 2017 11:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't know how anyone couldn't be thrilled with the House signing. Especially considering the contract details. My only beef is that they didn't try to get him on a 2-3 year deal at that price Laughing

It's a win-win, though. If he balls out and walks in FA next year, it will probably mean we get a 4-5th round comp pick..lol
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 21, 2017 11:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Signing a player to a bargain contract at an obvious position of need would mean that even if House flames out, this was still a great signing.

However, I am more intrigued by the optimism that he may actually be a real asset to the D.

The consensus seems to be, mostly based on the OPs extensive research analysis, that House was (1) a top 1/2 (or higher) NFL CB starter in 2015 and (2) was caught up in and a victim of the obvious dysfunction of the Jags 3-13 season last year.

Moreover, (3) any injury concerns pertaining to House are at best overblown if one carefully reviews his career.

Anything in 1-3 above that anyone thinks is wrong?
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 21, 2017 12:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

TheOnlyThing wrote:
Signing a player to a bargain contract at an obvious position of need would mean that even if House flames out, this was still a great signing.

However, I am more intrigued by the optimism that he may actually be a real asset to the D.

The consensus seems to be, mostly based on the OPs extensive research analysis, that House was (1) a top 1/2 (or higher) NFL CB starter in 2015 and (2) was caught up in and a victim of the obvious dysfunction of the Jags 3-13 season last year.

Moreover, (3) any injury concerns pertaining to House are at best overblown if one carefully reviews his career.

Anything in 1-3 above that anyone thinks is wrong?


I'd take issue with defining him as a "top" starter in any of his seasons. I think OP would, too. House performed strongly in 2014 and 2015, the metrics support that. Saying he is a "top" starter introduces a large element of subjectivity (who is a top starter? what do you need to do to be a top starter?) that inevitably ends in semantic battles.

You're also missing (4) House will reinforce depth at a position of relative weakness and inexperience and (5) House comes into a system in which he has experience and plays for a coach with whom he has a strong relationship.

So you say "real asset" and I see a guy who reinforces depth at a vulnerable spot and offers experience, length and speed on a cheap, team-friendly contract. I would define that as an "asset" and something our secondary sorely needed.

But other than that, yeah, your summative points were on the spot.
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Somebody take the off season shovel out of Ted's hands & bury him in his own hole.

How can he dig a hole if he's too busy sitting on his hands?
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 21, 2017 1:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

CentralFC wrote:
TheOnlyThing wrote:
Signing a player to a bargain contract at an obvious position of need would mean that even if House flames out, this was still a great signing.

However, I am more intrigued by the optimism that he may actually be a real asset to the D.

The consensus seems to be, mostly based on the OPs extensive research analysis, that House was (1) a top 1/2 (or higher) NFL CB starter in 2015 and (2) was caught up in and a victim of the obvious dysfunction of the Jags 3-13 season last year.

Moreover, (3) any injury concerns pertaining to House are at best overblown if one carefully reviews his career.

Anything in 1-3 above that anyone thinks is wrong?


I'd take issue with defining him as a "top" starter in any of his seasons. I think OP would, too. House performed strongly in 2014 and 2015, the metrics support that. Saying he is a "top" starter introduces a large element of subjectivity (who is a top starter? what do you need to do to be a top starter?) that inevitably ends in semantic battles.

You're also missing (4) House will reinforce depth at a position of relative weakness and inexperience and (5) House comes into a system in which he has experience and plays for a coach with whom he has a strong relationship.

So you say "real asset" and I see a guy who reinforces depth at a vulnerable spot and offers experience, length and speed on a cheap, team-friendly contract. I would define that as an "asset" and something our secondary sorely needed.

But other than that, yeah, your summative points were on the spot.


Yeah, you're 100% correct that "real asset" is a very subjective term, and I concur that even if his signing is just for depth then he will indeed be an "asset."

However, there is also the fact that the OP previously wrote:

"He already put it together for a full season. ... he played like a Top 20 CB in 2015 (I may be underrating that 2015 season a bit to avoid the genesis of another argument)."

Now, considering most teams rely upon 3 CBs, I'd be happy if House performs like a top 30-35 CB next season, but if he really performed like a top 20 (or better) CB in 2015, then that is what I find most intriguing about him heading into 2017, because I believe the D needs some real impactful talent not just depth.
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