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Pastor Dillon


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 13, 2017 3:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Longhorns90 wrote:
Pastor Dillon wrote:
Here's the thing everyone is missing, every QB that BOB has started has gone elsewhere and been better or was better elsewhere before coming. All of them. BOB sucks at developing QB play and makes his system too difficult for the QB.

BOB is the problem. Romo probably wouldn't be much better. There is a reason guys come in and play much better in relief than they do in starts, it's the system.


Except the statistics say otherwise.

Fitzpatrick's best completion percentage, TD-Int ratio, yds/attempt, yds/completion, and passer rating all came under O'Brien.

Hoyer has similar improvement from before O'Brien to under O'Brien.

Yeah, Osweiler sucked and Mallett sucked, but that's probably a function of them being bad quarterbacks.


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 14, 2017 8:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Longhorns90 wrote:
Pastor Dillon wrote:
Here's the thing everyone is missing, every QB that BOB has started has gone elsewhere and been better or was better elsewhere before coming. All of them. BOB sucks at developing QB play and makes his system too difficult for the QB.

BOB is the problem. Romo probably wouldn't be much better. There is a reason guys come in and play much better in relief than they do in starts, it's the system.


Except the statistics say otherwise.

Fitzpatrick's best completion percentage, TD-Int ratio, yds/attempt, yds/completion, and passer rating all came under O'Brien.

Hoyer has similar improvement from before O'Brien to under O'Brien.

Yeah, Osweiler sucked and Mallett sucked, but that's probably a function of them being bad quarterbacks.


I call BS!
If the goal of offensive football was to have a high completion % and low ints you are right, but those are byproducts of O'Brien's "system" of dink and dunk. Hell, it is so valued, our highest comp% is surely 4 yard dumpoffs to TEs/RBs on 3rd and long and that's if we even bother to throw vs. 4 yard draw play. Fitz put up 3,900 yards and 31 TDs the year after leaving us vs. 2,400 and 17 tds under O'Brien. Even with that Hoyer's comp % went from 60% to 67% after leaving us last year and he threw 6 TDs without a turnover which was almost the reverse of his 0-5 performance in our playoff game.

The "genius" of O'Brien's "system" is in that somehow people think there is some innovative genius lurking below the surface rather than just hyper-conservative garbage that can manage to not screw up games against the dregs on our schedule that the defense dominates, but has been laughable against any playoff caliber teams. It's time we realize that we got the Charlie Weis branch of the Belichick tree (Weis even put up two better college seasons than O'Brien did before the mystique wore off in year 3 as I suspect it might have with Hackenburg). Speaking of which, maybe it's time to question the popular dialogue on O'Brien's star pupil Hackenburg who left Penn State with catastrophic fundamentals, just like Osweiler, Mallett, and Hoyer displayed under O'Brien. Even Fitz got worse over time in his system after an initial "bump" largely because he actually had a run game and wasn't playing down 3 TDs like he did in Buffalo, Tenn, and Cinn.

At this point, I'm firmly convinced O'Brien was merely the beneficiary of Gronk/Hernandez and the best QB/HCs in the history of the sport. He was a solid leader and "right guy at the right time" at Penn State, but 8-4 & 7-5 seasons were impressive merely because they exceeded expectations. 2012 may have been the worst year ever for the Big 10 which had Ohio St and nobody else in the top 20. Northwestern put up a 10 win season while the Big 10 featured Wisconsin & Michigan St putting up 6 loss seasons, Michigan losing 5 and the usual sub .500 from doormats Purdue, Indiana, Illinois, Iowa, Minny. In 2013 they lost to Indiana, Minn, UCF, & Nebraska plus a 63-14 throttling from Ohio St, so the trendline for year 3 wasn't exactly promising. They had a few surprising wins, but his 2 years were defined by a team not being as bad as some thought they would be, rather than being a top 25 team. Kinda reminds me of 9-7 mediocrity built on a horrible AFC South.
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