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PostPosted: Sun Mar 12, 2017 12:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Achilles tears are often career altering injuries. I'd pass on him unless he drops into round 5/6
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Pats show interest Josh Jones

http://nfltraderumors.co/nfl-notes-david-webb-draft-jets-raiders/

Anyone watch him play?

http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/josh-jones?id=2558119

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UcJo66p6FI4
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 22, 2017 6:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Interview with Wilson LB out of Cincy.

https://twitter.com/AaronWilson_NFL/status/844342955947294720
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I just realized that the Patriots only have one original pick left Laughing
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LD696 wrote:
Solomon Thomas is intriguing. He actually reminds me of another former Stanford guy: Ben Gardner. Both are athletic tweener types, who played all over the line, were successful college players and tested simlilarly. Thomas does have a great advantage though: he doesn't have Gardner's T-rex arms.

I feel he could be a good base strong-side DE, though I think he'll be forced to play 5-tech or DT, even though he has deficiencies to play those positions.

What can you tell me about DeMarcus Walker? I have to confess I haven't seen any Florida games this year, but I heard the hype around him, especially during the first half of the season. Could he become an inside rusher or is he exclusively an edge player?


Oooh! Oooh! I'm ready for this question. Laughing

Walker spends a lot of time rushing from the inside. He's probably better against guards than tackles, actually. He's not a plus athlete, but he has very sophisticated hand-fighting and is good at synchronizing his movements. I think he's a Trey Flowers clone. Before we traded for Ealy, he was my favorite guy in the draft, but they fulfill a similar role. He does some have some bad film and he seems to lack speed, but he still produced better over the last couple years than any other DE in the draft, with over 26 sacks in his last two seasons. I'd love to have him here.

Here's a review I did of him a while ago:

6’4
280


Definition of an effort player. Walker most likely will not impress with his 40 yard time, but testing numbers are nearly meaningless when considering his style of play. With 16 sacks this year and 10.5 last year, he knows how to get to the quarterback. Off the field, he already has his degree. Well respected and lauded as a hard worker. Throwback type who says he looks forward to the “old school game — - Butkus, Jack Lambert type of football.” He plays all over the line, inside and out, and generally holds up well against the run. He has a square, sturdy frame and likes to maul people.

Let's be clear: Walkers is not the big, fast defensive end prototype that everyone wants. He's not a freaky athlete or a can't miss, top 10 sort of prospect. Initially, I was pretty down on him as a player due to lack of speed, but the more games I watched from the last couple of years, the more I became convinced that he will carve out a solid career by sheer effort. If he had worked out at the Combine, I would have expected pretty mediocre numbers. His stock would plummet if we had test numbers. To me, that means he has incredible value when compared against the market; if he's available at 72, he could be the steal of the draft.

Overall, he reminds me of Trey Flowers, who also has speed limitations (only ran a 4.93 at the Combine), but has incredible power and explosion for his size, along with tenacity and great technique. Who wouldn't want another tough player like that on our team? I love his game. Pure football player. I don't care about the size or athletic limitations. Favorite defensive player to watch this year. Not the best, but definitely has a bulldog mentality.




Positives:

+ Stonewalls run blockers with a powerful punch
+ Sets a hard edge (most of the time)
+ Great hand fighter; looks like a boxer on the field
+ Exceptional core strength to hold his ground and shed blockers
+ Thick, powerful build; works hard in the weight room
+ Elite production; led the nation in sacks
+ Experienced rushing from inside/outside and right/left
+ Disciplined, well-composed player who shows awareness against cutback runs
+ Does not often compromise lane integrity in his rush
+ Defibrillator pads for hands; when he jolts blockers, sometimes sends them flying! Cool
+ Hyper aware on the field: bats passes, sniffs out screens and misdirection, etc
+ Often gets more effective as the game wears on; better conditioned than his opponent
+ Tough, aggressive, hard-nosed player
+ Powerful hands; can drag down players with one arm if necessary


Negatives:

- Not the fleetest of foot when asked to play in space
- Not likely to be useful in man to man coverage
- May struggle adjusting to the speed of the NFL game
- Pops upright off the snap too frequently, negating his natural leverage
- Occasionally looks like he's stuck in quicksand compared with the players around him
- Sluggish getoff; rarely the first one moving off the snap
- Needs to be more consistent throughout entire game, not just when the opponents are tired


A variety of gifs I made:

One arm drag down:

https://gfycat.com/DeficientUnlinedAntarcticgiantpetrel


Nice inside move for a big turnover. Momentum changing play in this game:

https://gfycat.com/IncredibleSpiritedEastrussiancoursinghounds


Walker shows a great feel for the game. He watches Watson's eyes, recognizes that it's a quick throw, and breaks off his rush to get his hands in the air. Savvy player.

https://gfycat.com/ObviousDapperFawn


Later on in the same game, Walker makes the same type of play from the other side of the line. These passes batted down don't get people as excited as a sack, but they can still stall a drive and shut down an offense:

https://gfycat.com/HonestLavishAlaskajingle


In case I've understated his athleticism, he has plenty of get off to turn the corner and get the sack. Good lean and rip:

https://gfycat.com/RelievedVibrantEquine


Big strip-sack in the 4th quarter while lined up inside. I like how starts to the right then suddenly throws his body to the left. The violent, coordinated way his arms and body work in concert reminds me a ton of Trey Flowers. Too much for the guard to handle:

https://gfycat.com/VapidFalseBronco


Another pass batted down (he might have more disruption in passing lanes than any player I've watched this year). Great awareness as part of a three-man rush. Sound familiar? The Patriots led the league in rushing three or fewer, if I recall.

https://gfycat.com/VigorousNarrowBorer
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 24, 2017 6:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

reamer wrote:
LD696 wrote:
Solomon Thomas is intriguing. He actually reminds me of another former Stanford guy: Ben Gardner. Both are athletic tweener types, who played all over the line, were successful college players and tested simlilarly. Thomas does have a great advantage though: he doesn't have Gardner's T-rex arms.

I feel he could be a good base strong-side DE, though I think he'll be forced to play 5-tech or DT, even though he has deficiencies to play those positions.

What can you tell me about DeMarcus Walker? I have to confess I haven't seen any Florida games this year, but I heard the hype around him, especially during the first half of the season. Could he become an inside rusher or is he exclusively an edge player?


Oooh! Oooh! I'm ready for this question. Laughing

Walker spends a lot of time rushing from the inside. He's probably better against guards than tackles, actually. He's not a plus athlete, but he has very sophisticated hand-fighting and is good at synchronizing his movements. I think he's a Trey Flowers clone. Before we traded for Ealy, he was my favorite guy in the draft, but they fulfill a similar role. He does some have some bad film and he seems to lack speed, but he still produced better over the last couple years than any other DE in the draft, with over 26 sacks in his last two seasons. I'd love to have him here.

Here's a review I did of him a while ago:

6’4
280


Definition of an effort player. Walker most likely will not impress with his 40 yard time, but testing numbers are nearly meaningless when considering his style of play. With 16 sacks this year and 10.5 last year, he knows how to get to the quarterback. Off the field, he already has his degree. Well respected and lauded as a hard worker. Throwback type who says he looks forward to the “old school game — - Butkus, Jack Lambert type of football.” He plays all over the line, inside and out, and generally holds up well against the run. He has a square, sturdy frame and likes to maul people.

Let's be clear: Walkers is not the big, fast defensive end prototype that everyone wants. He's not a freaky athlete or a can't miss, top 10 sort of prospect. Initially, I was pretty down on him as a player due to lack of speed, but the more games I watched from the last couple of years, the more I became convinced that he will carve out a solid career by sheer effort. If he had worked out at the Combine, I would have expected pretty mediocre numbers. His stock would plummet if we had test numbers. To me, that means he has incredible value when compared against the market; if he's available at 72, he could be the steal of the draft.

Overall, he reminds me of Trey Flowers, who also has speed limitations (only ran a 4.93 at the Combine), but has incredible power and explosion for his size, along with tenacity and great technique. Who wouldn't want another tough player like that on our team? I love his game. Pure football player. I don't care about the size or athletic limitations. Favorite defensive player to watch this year. Not the best, but definitely has a bulldog mentality.




Positives:

+ Stonewalls run blockers with a powerful punch
+ Sets a hard edge (most of the time)
+ Great hand fighter; looks like a boxer on the field
+ Exceptional core strength to hold his ground and shed blockers
+ Thick, powerful build; works hard in the weight room
+ Elite production; led the nation in sacks
+ Experienced rushing from inside/outside and right/left
+ Disciplined, well-composed player who shows awareness against cutback runs
+ Does not often compromise lane integrity in his rush
+ Defibrillator pads for hands; when he jolts blockers, sometimes sends them flying! Cool
+ Hyper aware on the field: bats passes, sniffs out screens and misdirection, etc
+ Often gets more effective as the game wears on; better conditioned than his opponent
+ Tough, aggressive, hard-nosed player
+ Powerful hands; can drag down players with one arm if necessary


Negatives:

- Not the fleetest of foot when asked to play in space
- Not likely to be useful in man to man coverage
- May struggle adjusting to the speed of the NFL game
- Pops upright off the snap too frequently, negating his natural leverage
- Occasionally looks like he's stuck in quicksand compared with the players around him
- Sluggish getoff; rarely the first one moving off the snap
- Needs to be more consistent throughout entire game, not just when the opponents are tired


A variety of gifs I made:

One arm drag down:

https://gfycat.com/DeficientUnlinedAntarcticgiantpetrel


Nice inside move for a big turnover. Momentum changing play in this game:

https://gfycat.com/IncredibleSpiritedEastrussiancoursinghounds


Walker shows a great feel for the game. He watches Watson's eyes, recognizes that it's a quick throw, and breaks off his rush to get his hands in the air. Savvy player.

https://gfycat.com/ObviousDapperFawn


Later on in the same game, Walker makes the same type of play from the other side of the line. These passes batted down don't get people as excited as a sack, but they can still stall a drive and shut down an offense:

https://gfycat.com/HonestLavishAlaskajingle


In case I've understated his athleticism, he has plenty of get off to turn the corner and get the sack. Good lean and rip:

https://gfycat.com/RelievedVibrantEquine


Big strip-sack in the 4th quarter while lined up inside. I like how starts to the right then suddenly throws his body to the left. The violent, coordinated way his arms and body work in concert reminds me a ton of Trey Flowers. Too much for the guard to handle:

https://gfycat.com/VapidFalseBronco


Another pass batted down (he might have more disruption in passing lanes than any player I've watched this year). Great awareness as part of a three-man rush. Sound familiar? The Patriots led the league in rushing three or fewer, if I recall.

https://gfycat.com/VigorousNarrowBorer

Oh wow, thanks! Great stuff!

Aside fom the hype, the only thing I heard from Walker were some combine interviews. He came off as a passionate and intelligent football player, a Belichick-type guy, if you like. I've heard that he's powerful and big, that's why I asked if he could convert to play inside.

If he's athletically reminiscent to Flowers, that's actually a pretty good thing, since Flowers scored quite high on Richter's MEI scale coming out of Arkansas iirc.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 25, 2017 12:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Walker to me seems like a guy who isn't overly athletic but has such good technique that he'll be able to win anyway at the next level. In a very weak interior DL class he's one of the few bright spots, and seems like a prototypical Patriots draft pick.
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Pats seem to be doing a lot of draft work on a slot WR's. Could be just a smoke screen, or they could be looking to replace Amendola with a cheaper, younger option. Me, personally, I hope Dola restructures. You can't just replace his "clutchness" and dependability. He's been crucial in our last two SB runs.

If there's one prospect though, it's Ryan Switzer.
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1ForTheThumb wrote:
Pats seem to be doing a lot of draft work on a slot WR's. Could be just a smoke screen, or they could be looking to replace Amendola with a cheaper, younger option. Me, personally, I hope Dola restructures. You can't just replace his "clutchness" and dependability. He's been crucial in our last two SB runs.

If there's one prospect though, it's Ryan Switzer.


Check out Drew Morgan. Similar agility numbers to Edelman, though not quite as quick in the 40. Very aggressive player when fighting for YAC.

I also love Carlos Henderson in that role. Check this out: https://twitter.com/ScottBarrettDFB/status/845822249055797248

EDIT: And this block! He's at the bottom of the screen. Beautiful. https://twitter.com/WurthDraft/status/833348333355880448
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Love Henderson. Can't see how he fits on the roster unless they're cutting Amendola but he's a borderline 1st/2nd rounder for me.
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m haynes wrote:
Interview with Wilson LB out of Cincy.

https://twitter.com/AaronWilson_NFL/status/844342955947294720


Very good athlete and excellent in coverage. He would really round out our LB corp. Super underrated.
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reamer wrote:
m haynes wrote:
Interview with Wilson LB out of Cincy.

https://twitter.com/AaronWilson_NFL/status/844342955947294720


Very good athlete and excellent in coverage. He would really round out our LB corp. Super underrated.


Bit undersized, no? Really like him as a passing down guy.
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dhunt2402 wrote:
reamer wrote:
m haynes wrote:
Interview with Wilson LB out of Cincy.

https://twitter.com/AaronWilson_NFL/status/844342955947294720


Very good athlete and excellent in coverage. He would really round out our LB corp. Super underrated.


Bit undersized, no? Really like him as a passing down guy.


Yeah, 6'1 230. The Patriots have met with a lot of guys who fit that profile, however. Remember Kamu Grugier-Hill last year? I think they're looking for a coverage type late in the draft. As far as I can track it, here are the smaller candidates they've met with so far:


Jimmie Gilbert, Colorado - Shrine Game
Carroll Phillips, Illinois - Senior Bowl
TJ Holloman, S Carolina - Pro day contact
Zach Cunningham, Vanderbilt - Pro day Workout (BB)
Jaylen Reeves-Maybin, Tennessee - Pro Day contact (BB)
Eric Wilson, Cincinnati - Private workout
James Onwualu, Notre Dame - pro day contact (Patricia)
Rae'kwon McMillan, Ohio State - pro day meeting
Jordan Evans, Oklahoma - Pro day

That seems like a trend to me.
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reamer wrote:
1ForTheThumb wrote:
Pats seem to be doing a lot of draft work on a slot WR's. Could be just a smoke screen, or they could be looking to replace Amendola with a cheaper, younger option. Me, personally, I hope Dola restructures. You can't just replace his "clutchness" and dependability. He's been crucial in our last two SB runs.

If there's one prospect though, it's Ryan Switzer.


Check out Drew Morgan. Similar agility numbers to Edelman, though not quite as quick in the 40. Very aggressive player when fighting for YAC.

I also love Carlos Henderson in that role. Check this out: https://twitter.com/ScottBarrettDFB/status/845822249055797248

EDIT: And this block! He's at the bottom of the screen. Beautiful. https://twitter.com/WurthDraft/status/833348333355880448


I hate to even think of Dola being cut. He is All Pro in the playoffs. If the Pats do go WR in this Draft, I would be in the Morgan camp. Specially in the slot. Major points for me is he played in a Pro style offense.

Carlos Henderson is impressive, however IMO more as outside WR. The things that would make me pass on him

1. Spread offense
2. Lack of competition.
3. Tight in the hips. Eye test.
4. I would, if we didn't have 3 (young) guys currently on the outside.
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http://www.patriots.com/video/2017/04/18/nick-caserio-418-our-goal-put-best-team-together-2017

Great talk from Caserio about teambuilding, the draft, etc. Worth a listen.
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