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mike23md


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PostPosted: Sat Jan 07, 2017 1:51 pm    Post subject: Team Needs Reply with quote

If this has been posted before I apologize, but I am trying to get a fan base opinion of the team needs.

Just the top 3 or 4.

Thanks.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 07, 2017 2:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Top 3:

OT
DE
DB

Secondary needs:

RB
TE
LB
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 07, 2017 8:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

FriendlyEnemy wrote:
Top 3:

OT
DE
DB

Secondary needs:

RB
TE
LB


As I assume this guy is doing a mock let's clarify a little bit

Panthers almost certainly will not be drafting an offensive tackle at 8. It would be far too much of a reach

Best player available in the first projected to be a safety, defensive end or running back

Past that, I would agree with the above

I would add Center since Kalil is gone in the next couple years... probably a mid round consideration

DB I would clarify to mean Safety specifically
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 07, 2017 8:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

OT - Michael Oher's career appears to be in jeopardy. Mike Remmers and Daryl Williams are low tier starters.

DE - Panthers need a consistent edge rusher. Charles Johnson is a free agent (25 pressures, 4 sacks) and so is Mario Addison (specialist w/ 9.5 sacks). They need someone who can play every down and rack up sacks.

S - Kurt Coleman is well liked and better utilized as a FS imo. Maybe they go for a SS or a joker type player a la Tyrann Mathieu.

TE - The Panthers targeted Jared Cook in FA and Hunter Henry was #2 on their board. They really want someone to pair up with Greg Olsen.


Also think we need a RB since Stew is hurt all the time, a WR since no one is exactly reliable, and LB depth since we are likely losing AJ Klein.

I would focus less on how the Panthers had the worst ranked pass defense. Bradberry and Worley, our two rookies, really improved down the stretch. Bigger issue in the secondary was Tre Boston sucking and not having a consistent pass rush (despite finishing 2nd in NFL in sacks - they came in chunks). On offense, the OL is a disaster and Shula really wanted a second TE after the embarrassing SB50 performance. Didn't get one and teams basically used the Denver blueprint to destroy us every game.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 07, 2017 9:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Zithers wrote:
OT - Michael Oher's career appears to be in jeopardy. Mike Remmers and Daryl Williams are low tier starters.

DE - Panthers need a consistent edge rusher. Charles Johnson is a free agent (25 pressures, 4 sacks) and so is Mario Addison (specialist w/ 9.5 sacks). They need someone who can play every down and rack up sacks.

S - Kurt Coleman is well liked and better utilized as a FS imo. Maybe they go for a SS or a joker type player a la Tyrann Mathieu.

TE - The Panthers targeted Jared Cook in FA and Hunter Henry was #2 on their board. They really want someone to pair up with Greg Olsen.


Also think we need a RB since Stew is hurt all the time, a WR since no one is exactly reliable, and LB depth since we are likely losing AJ Klein.

I would focus less on how the Panthers had the worst ranked pass defense. Bradberry and Worley, our two rookies, really improved down the stretch. Bigger issue in the secondary was Tre Boston sucking and not having a consistent pass rush (despite finishing 2nd in NFL in sacks - they came in chunks). On offense, the OL is a disaster and Shula really wanted a second TE after the embarrassing SB50 performance. Didn't get one and teams basically used the Denver blueprint to destroy us every game.


Im starting to warm up to the idea of Williams.

Not that he is anywhere near top of my list, but I could see it.

I read recently that cam was ranked as the most aggressive quarterback in the league do to throwing to wide receivers with the least amount of separation in the league.

Devin funchess had the 4th least separation of any wide receiver with 30 or more targets and Kelvin Benjamin took the inauspicious top spot as the wide receiver in the NFL that got the least separation.

It's a chicken or the egg discussion to determine if Cam is throwing to receivers who are not open or it's the receivers just not getting open. But it's something to think about

Side note...

If we took Ryan Ramczyk in the first and Rod Johnson in the second... we would have team Ram-Rod
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 08, 2017 11:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Top Needs:

OT - Remmers, aside from being a bad player, commits far too many penalties. There is no way you can go into the 2017 season with him as a starter. Not if you want to evolve the offense. He's the type of player that can destroy your game-plan.

DE - Rivera and McDermott have done an excellent job over the years with getting more than they should out of certain areas of our defense (secondary a lot of years, pass rush last year). With our DEs, there is no reason we should have finished as high as we did in sack totals. We would be wise to keep Johnson as a rotational player as he still shows flashes from time to time. Who knows how expensive Addison may or may not be. Regardless, we need a DE capable of playing all 3 snaps.

S - I don't think we need to invest a first round pick here. We've proven we can do well with guys like Mikell, Mitchell, and Coleman - not necessarily great players but guys who just fit our system. With that said, we eventually need to commit to someone young and long-term. Boston is a quality back-up, but his flaws stand-out as a starter. He is a guy who can come in and provide a spark, but nothing more.

Lower-Tier Needs:

WR - Benjamin is a waste of space on the field. The statistic that came out where he is the worst receiver in the NFL on average at getting separation shouldn't surprise anyone. It hurts an offense tremendously to have someone on the field so incapable of getting space. It limits what you can do because you don't have anyone to take the coverage away. We don't need Antonio Brown, but we need more guys who can separate consistently at every part of the field. Even Ginn isn't really capable of that (he makes his bread and butter deep) and he's going to be 32. Our biggest mistake was thinking Newton needed size around him when the solution is probably just to add quickness and quality route-runners (which is what we mainly had in 2013 and 2015, Newton's best two seasons). We're probably not going to trade Benjamin, but I genuinely think he makes this offense a lot worse. I think I have made this comparison before but it is like if you made J.R. Smith the focal point of your basketball team.

RB - I vouched for Derrick Henry in the second round last year and I will vouch for a RB in the second round this year. Stewart is still capable but unless we change our scheme (which Rivera hinted at and hopefully he follows through on), Stewart's talents will never be utilized to the fullest. He isn't explosive enough to make some of our run plays work, which take a long time to develop sometimes. The guy I want the most, but might end up going in the first round, is Dalvin Cook. We're picking too high and have too many holes to take a RB in the first. I wouldn't have been bothered by it last year because of where were picking, but it shouldn't be in our mind this year.

CB - I like Bradberry and Worley, but it would be nice to invest in some insurance just in case. Something that can be addressed in FA.

TE - Same as CB.

Those are the only positions I would consider needs. QB, interior OL, interior DL, and LB are all good.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 13, 2017 12:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

iknowcool wrote:

The statistic that came out where he is the worst receiver in the NFL on average at getting separation shouldn't surprise anyone.


Any chance you got a link to that?
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 13, 2017 1:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I still want to see byrd get some play. he's young, probably our fastest wr, has solid hands and has been on our ps for 2 years so he knows the system. IMO if ginn leaves hes the only one that can provide our O with some electricity and explosiveness. I don't know how his route running is but I'd like him and philly brown providing the speed and separation that fun fun and KB can't.
IMO another TE and a rb to replace J stew are bigger needs on O (besides the obvious o line)
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 15, 2017 1:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cypher wrote:
iknowcool wrote:

The statistic that came out where he is the worst receiver in the NFL on average at getting separation shouldn't surprise anyone.


Any chance you got a link to that?

http://www.carolinahuddle.com/boards/index.php?/topic/133804-Next-Gen-Stats---Cam-is-the-most-aggressive-QB-in-the-NFL#entry4001651

It was from this thread.

Didnt go look up the next gen article itself... too lazy
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 15, 2017 1:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lasus83 wrote:
Cypher wrote:
iknowcool wrote:

The statistic that came out where he is the worst receiver in the NFL on average at getting separation shouldn't surprise anyone.


Any chance you got a link to that?

http://www.carolinahuddle.com/boards/index.php?/topic/133804-Next-Gen-Stats---Cam-is-the-most-aggressive-QB-in-the-NFL#entry4001651

It was from this thread.

Didnt go look up the next gen article itself... too lazy


Nevermind... here ya go...

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000769130/article/cam-newton-leads-nfls-top10-most-aggressive-qbs
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2017 1:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Playmaking safety.
Fresh face at RB.
Talent at DE.
LEFT TACKLE.

Those are my biggest off-season priorities.
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So I have to ask: The Panthers have signed a number of players on defense so far. They resigned Julius Peppers and Captain Munnerlyn. They franchise tagged Kawann Short. They extended Mario Addison and Charles Johnson. They signed Mike Adams at safety.

Looking at their team, it looks like they have filled every major need on defense.

What are the odds the Panthers devote the entirety of the first two days of their draft entirely to offense?
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Crickett wrote:
So I have to ask: The Panthers have signed a number of players on defense so far. They resigned Julius Peppers and Captain Munnerlyn. They franchise tagged Kawann Short. They extended Mario Addison and Charles Johnson. They signed Mike Adams at safety.

Looking at their team, it looks like they have filled every major need on defense.

What are the odds the Panthers devote the entirety of the first two days of their draft entirely to offense?


Gettleman will do best value available as always. There's no guessing what he'll do. Besides, four of the dudes you mentioned are on one year deals or in their mid 30s. That shouldn't stop you from drafting a player who could replace them next season (Jamal Adams, Derek Barnett, whoever). Especially since Gettleman values the pass rush enormously.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 11, 2017 10:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lasus83 wrote:
FriendlyEnemy wrote:
Top 3:

OT
DE
DB

Secondary needs:

RB
TE
LB


As I assume this guy is doing a mock let's clarify a little bit

Panthers almost certainly will not be drafting an offensive tackle at 8. It would be far too much of a reach

Best player available in the first projected to be a safety, defensive end or running back

Past that, I would agree with the above

I would add Center since Kalil is gone in the next couple years... probably a mid round consideration

DB I would clarify to mean Safety specifically


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