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PostPosted: Fri Jan 13, 2017 10:05 am    Post subject: Our rookie receiver made a nice list Reply with quote

So our rookie receiver, Michael Thomas, made a nice list on NFL.com.

He placed 7th in the "Top 10 receivers in tight coverage".
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Of course, we all love the numbers this kid has produced, and his immediate football IQ. I can't wait to see what he does once he has a great defense around his team, and has more time to gel with his new team.

A+ draft pick by our brass. Glad I got to say that.

How do we make this kid even better?
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 16, 2017 1:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Feed the man. Excited to see him put up 100+ catches at some point
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 16, 2017 3:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

God, if only we were half as good at drafting defense as we are offense...

It's a shame that one of the greatest offensive runs ever will only have achieved one Super Bowl.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 16, 2017 3:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Spartica4Real wrote:
God, if only we were half as good at drafting defense as we are offense...

It's a shame that one of the greatest offensive runs ever will only have achieved one Super Bowl.


Still a better outcome then when the Saints were he home of one of the best defenses for almost a decade! Not even a playoff win to show for it.

Kinda crazy... Mora's dome patrol defense and Morton Anderson (best kicker in NFL at time) dominated for a long time but had pathetic offense.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 16, 2017 4:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

whodatworm23 wrote:
Spartica4Real wrote:
God, if only we were half as good at drafting defense as we are offense...

It's a shame that one of the greatest offensive runs ever will only have achieved one Super Bowl.


Still a better outcome then when the Saints were he home of one of the best defenses for almost a decade! Not even a playoff win to show for it.

Kinda crazy... Mora's dome patrol defense and Morton Anderson (best kicker in NFL at time) dominated for a long time but had pathetic offense.


Louisiana sports at their finest. Don't know if you follow LSU/college but always have one of the best defenses, offense is too bad to make it far. Then in 2013 we have the best offense we've had under Les Miles, but one of the worst defenses we had under him. Similar to the 2013 Saints who had our best defense under Sean Payton, but our worst offense (still #10!). I hate sports sometimes.

Still, a top 10 offense for a decade straight, including 5 #1 finishes and 2 #2 finishes (this year and 2011). Records galore. Brees' 5k passing yards. Even if it's an offensive era we've had an all time great run, hell it might be the best offensive run ever. At least the Dome Patrol wasn't at that level of dominance.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 16, 2017 7:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Spartica4Real wrote:
whodatworm23 wrote:
Spartica4Real wrote:
God, if only we were half as good at drafting defense as we are offense...

It's a shame that one of the greatest offensive runs ever will only have achieved one Super Bowl.


Still a better outcome then when the Saints were he home of one of the best defenses for almost a decade! Not even a playoff win to show for it.

Kinda crazy... Mora's dome patrol defense and Morton Anderson (best kicker in NFL at time) dominated for a long time but had pathetic offense.


Louisiana sports at their finest. Don't know if you follow LSU/college but always have one of the best defenses, offense is too bad to make it far. Then in 2013 we have the best offense we've had under Les Miles, but one of the worst defenses we had under him. Similar to the 2013 Saints who had our best defense under Sean Payton, but our worst offense (still #10!). I hate sports sometimes.

Still, a top 10 offense for a decade straight, including 5 #1 finishes and 2 #2 finishes (this year and 2011). Records galore. Brees' 5k passing yards. Even if it's an offensive era we've had an all time great run, hell it might be the best offensive run ever. At least the Dome Patrol wasn't at that level of dominance.


I'd disagree...

When a offense is dominate but has a poor defense that only forces that offense to put up bigger numbers "particularly in garbage time at end of games" because either that offense is in close contest or is most likely trailing in the game. This disguises stats into production often times.

In the case of a dominate defense with a terrible offense there is ZERO disguising because the time of procession is terrible for the defense, what those Saints defense's accomplished with what they were working with was more impressive than what i witnessed from Sean Payton's offense throughout the years. This is obviously subjective and can be debated at nausium as Payton and Mora were both impressive at coaching their side of the ball but both failed at fielding complete football teams for the most part.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 16, 2017 8:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The bad defense may make our yardage totals increase, but we still have consistently led the league in 3rd down conversion % and points scored. We averaged over 3 points per drive in 2011 and had an absolutely insane 55% 3rd down conversion %, and also put up the most yards in NFL history despite not really having all that bad of a defense.

To put that into perspective, the BRoncos in 2013 averaged slightly fewer points per drive counting postseason, and exactly the same as us counting only regular season(2.98 ). They also had a 48% 3rd down% compared to our 55.7. The Falcons this year have a 42% 3rd down conversion, and slightly higher PPD not counting postseason.

Our rate of converting 3rd downs keeps us high in time of possession, despite throwing more than everybody and rarely running it when we should.

We've had a legitimately dominant offense. Even the best offenses have off games, and run in to defenses that hold them under 15 points. But when you pair our offenses with downright putrid defenses, historically bad, it doesn't look nearly as impressive when you lose games. Our defenses have been even worse than our offenses are good.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 16, 2017 9:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jlowe22 wrote:
The bad defense may make our yardage totals increase, but we still have consistently led the league in 3rd down conversion % and points scored. We averaged over 3 points per drive in 2011 and had an absolutely insane 55% 3rd down conversion %, and also put up the most yards in NFL history despite not really having all that bad of a defense.

To put that into perspective, the BRoncos in 2013 averaged slightly fewer points per drive counting postseason, and exactly the same as us counting only regular season(2.98 ). They also had a 48% 3rd down% compared to our 55.7. The Falcons this year have a 42% 3rd down conversion, and slightly higher PPD not counting postseason.

Our rate of converting 3rd downs keeps us high in time of possession, despite throwing more than everybody and rarely running it when we should.

We've had a legitimately dominant offense. Even the best offenses have off games, and run in to defenses that hold them under 15 points. But when you pair our offenses with downright putrid defenses, historically bad, it doesn't look nearly as impressive when you lose games. Our defenses have been even worse than our offenses are good.


Yeah, anyone who says otherwise is just wrong. It's not an opinion, our Sean Payton and Drew Brees led Saints will go down as one of, if not THE, greatest offensive runs ever. There's been better individual seasons but when you look at how long we've gone.... yeah. 2nd longest streak in NFL history of games with a TD.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 16, 2017 9:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Spartica4Real wrote:
Jlowe22 wrote:
The bad defense may make our yardage totals increase, but we still have consistently led the league in 3rd down conversion % and points scored. We averaged over 3 points per drive in 2011 and had an absolutely insane 55% 3rd down conversion %, and also put up the most yards in NFL history despite not really having all that bad of a defense.

To put that into perspective, the BRoncos in 2013 averaged slightly fewer points per drive counting postseason, and exactly the same as us counting only regular season(2.98 ). They also had a 48% 3rd down% compared to our 55.7. The Falcons this year have a 42% 3rd down conversion, and slightly higher PPD not counting postseason.

Our rate of converting 3rd downs keeps us high in time of possession, despite throwing more than everybody and rarely running it when we should.

We've had a legitimately dominant offense. Even the best offenses have off games, and run in to defenses that hold them under 15 points. But when you pair our offenses with downright putrid defenses, historically bad, it doesn't look nearly as impressive when you lose games. Our defenses have been even worse than our offenses are good.


Yeah, anyone who says otherwise is just wrong. It's not an opinion, our Sean Payton and Drew Brees led Saints will go down as one of, if not THE, greatest offensive runs ever. There's been better individual seasons but when you look at how long we've gone.... yeah. 2nd longest streak in NFL history of games with a TD.


Without a single HoFer other than Brees. Big maybe for Jimmy Graham, Sproles has a good case. But Brees the only lock, and the only consistent piece from 2006-present. When Payton and Brees got here they immediately took a 3-13 team to the NFCCG, and haven't posted a single season below top ten ranked offense, many seasons being the top 1-3.

For all the hate Sean Payton receives, he knows how to put together a good offense, and for all the hate Brees receives, he has done an awful lot with relatively little compared to other elite QBs. Its a shame the offensive talent is ruined because the defensive talent has been all time historical bad. Like literally, the past 5 years may be the worst prolonged stretch of defensive play in NFL history with multiple historically bad seasons.
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Jlowe22 wrote:
Spartica4Real wrote:
Jlowe22 wrote:
The bad defense may make our yardage totals increase, but we still have consistently led the league in 3rd down conversion % and points scored. We averaged over 3 points per drive in 2011 and had an absolutely insane 55% 3rd down conversion %, and also put up the most yards in NFL history despite not really having all that bad of a defense.

To put that into perspective, the BRoncos in 2013 averaged slightly fewer points per drive counting postseason, and exactly the same as us counting only regular season(2.98 ). They also had a 48% 3rd down% compared to our 55.7. The Falcons this year have a 42% 3rd down conversion, and slightly higher PPD not counting postseason.

Our rate of converting 3rd downs keeps us high in time of possession, despite throwing more than everybody and rarely running it when we should.

We've had a legitimately dominant offense. Even the best offenses have off games, and run in to defenses that hold them under 15 points. But when you pair our offenses with downright putrid defenses, historically bad, it doesn't look nearly as impressive when you lose games. Our defenses have been even worse than our offenses are good.


Yeah, anyone who says otherwise is just wrong. It's not an opinion, our Sean Payton and Drew Brees led Saints will go down as one of, if not THE, greatest offensive runs ever. There's been better individual seasons but when you look at how long we've gone.... yeah. 2nd longest streak in NFL history of games with a TD.


Without a single HoFer other than Brees. Big maybe for Jimmy Graham, Sproles has a good case. But Brees the only lock, and the only consistent piece from 2006-present. When Payton and Brees got here they immediately took a 3-13 team to the NFCCG, and haven't posted a single season below top ten ranked offense, many seasons being the top 1-3.

For all the hate Sean Payton receives, he knows how to put together a good offense, and for all the hate Brees receives, he has done an awful lot with relatively little compared to other elite QBs. Its a shame the offensive talent is ruined because the defensive talent has been all time historical bad. Like literally, the past 5 years may be the worst prolonged stretch of defensive play in NFL history with multiple historically bad seasons.


Best offensive run ever + worst defensive run ever. Laughing
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