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PostPosted: Sat Jan 07, 2017 1:13 am    Post subject: My Mock offseason. Reply with quote

So I thought I would give this a go. Just a reminder this is what I want to happen not necessarily what I think the team will do though.

Released/Not Resigned:

WR Kendall Wright
WR Marc Mariani
WR Harry Douglas
OG Byron Bell
OG Chance Warmack
OL Brian Schwenke
OLB David Bass
CB Valentino Blake
CB Jason Mccorty
S Rashad Johnson
S Da'Norris Searcy


Resigned:

ILB Sean Spence
CB Brice McCain
QB Matt Cassell
RB Antonio Andrews
DL Karl Klug
LB Nate Palmer
TE Anthony Fasano
S Daimion Stafford
TE Anthony Fasano

Free agency:

Eric Berry FS: Everyone wants him and we can afford him
A.J. Bouye CB: Obvious need
Courtney Upshaw OLB: This is an often overlooked need. Its not a big need but we do need a little more depth for our pass rush.
Marquise Goodwin WR: He Will become our KR/PR specialist and brings speed and depth to the WR position.

Draft:

Trade. Browns get pick 5 and a 5th round pick. We receive pick 12 and their first pick in the second.

RD 1 Pick 12: Ruben Foster, ILB. The QB of our defense. (may not be here. If not the Zack Cunningham)
RD 1 pick 18: Corey Davis, WR. Position of need and I think the best Receiver in the draft.
RD 2 pick 33: Gareon Conley, CB. paired with Sims, Bouye, Berry, and Byard we now turn what was a weakness into a decent group.
RD 3 pick 69: Jake Butt, TE. We have the luxury of being able to take a player like Butt Because we have Walker on the team so we can sit him as long as he needs to recover from injury.
RD 3 pick 83: Pat Elflein, OG/C. We have our starters for now but we could lose Warmack, Bell, and Schwenke so we need a few depth players to develop.

Im not going to go further then this because to be honest I don't watch enough collage football anymore to know enough about the players past this point. Let me know what you think.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 10, 2017 7:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd be very down with this. Especially drafting Butt. I haven't bought a new jersey in at least 10 years... I would most definitely buy a Butt jersey though. Especially like all the cuts/guys not brought back. Really, really would like Valentino to move as far away as possible.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 10, 2017 7:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I meant to comment on this the other day. The draft is pretty damn good. However I'm not a fan of resigning Spence. No need for 5 ILBs. He likely would never play on defense. Also McCain is still under contract beyond this season. FA signings are pretty good with Berry(although I don't see him hitting FA) and Bouye.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 11, 2017 2:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think Berry could definitely hit FA. The Chiefs are cap strapped and They also have to sign Dontari Poe who is an equally crucial part of their defense. Whether they tag or sign Poe, I'm not sure they'll have enough money to also extend Berry or re tag him.

Its not a for gone conclusion that he will make the market, but I think its a greater possibility than people think.

Also... why does everyone think the Browns are going to trade? I get that they have a stockpile of picks everyone wants but given their new found 'moneyball' attitude, I don't see them trading up at all. I fully expect Hue to make a run at AJ McCarron and have him and RGIII battle for the starting job.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 11, 2017 2:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Also Also, If we want pass rush depth we could do WAY better than Courtney Upshaw and his 6 career sacks in 4 seasons.

I didn't even know the dude was still in the league
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 11, 2017 11:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't think Bouye hits FA.

I think they will just release Kareem Jackson and use that money to sign or franchise AJ Bouye. He has shown to be too good. The Texans are like at $20 Million under the cap or maybe less.

Releasing Jackson and keeping Bouye just makes sense.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 11, 2017 11:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Chocolateman78 wrote:
I think Berry could definitely hit FA. The Chiefs are cap strapped and They also have to sign Dontari Poe who is an equally crucial part of their defense. Whether they tag or sign Poe, I'm not sure they'll have enough money to also extend Berry or re tag him.

Its not a for gone conclusion that he will make the market, but I think its a greater possibility than people think.

Also... why does everyone think the Browns are going to trade? I get that they have a stockpile of picks everyone wants but given their new found 'moneyball' attitude, I don't see them trading up at all. I fully expect Hue to make a run at AJ McCarron and have him and RGIII battle for the starting job.


That's very similar to my thoughts on that. People have been quick to dismiss Poe as a franchise tag, but I think that's still to be decided. He's been just as important to their defense as Berry has, and a near-level replacement at NT is much harder to find than at S.

Another arrow pointing in Poe's favor is KC's depth chart. They have nobody behind Poe who can do what he does, even at a close level (and have nobody else on the DL who's starter material outside the rookie Jones). The Chiefs seem comfortable with their depth at S, however, and that could also play a factor if they're forced to decide.

One last thing, the Chiefs are pretty tight up against the cap. They have ~$4 right now. They can get an additional 17M by cutting Foles and Charles, and with 5M in rookie cap allocations, would leave them with about $16M. Tagging either player is going to cost over 12M... which would leave them with under $4M for additional FAs (Poe's tag would actually be closer to $14M, so that $2M favors a Berry tag). Colquitt is the only other reasonable option, they can save ~$4M by cutting him, and they can make another cut here and there to save some cash, but will be cutting into their team doing so.

Chocolateman78 wrote:
Also Also, If we want pass rush depth we could do WAY better than Courtney Upshaw and his 6 career sacks in 4 seasons.

I didn't even know the dude was still in the league


I don't understand what the problem with the pass rush is. We finished 6th in the league in sacks last year (40).... and were also top 10 in hurries (104).

We hope (and should reasonably expect) bigger contributions from Dodd (I continue hoping I'm wrong about him). We should also expect increased contributions on the line from Johnson and Jones (contract year). It'd be great if we can find an impact player opposite of Casey on the DL.... but it's not a priority. We have great depth on the DL... and run 3 deep at OLB. I think more than a pass rushing OLB, we need a guy's who's a little more rounded... someone like Fackrell from last year's draft.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 11, 2017 12:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

KingTitan wrote:
I don't think Bouye hits FA.

I think they will just release Kareem Jackson and use that money to sign or franchise AJ Bouye. He has shown to be too good. The Texans are like at $20 Million under the cap or maybe less.

Releasing Jackson and keeping Bouye just makes sense.


If they want to keep Booye, which they should, that'd make sense. They have a little more than $25M currently (including carry over), however. While Jackson would be an option (save ~5M or $7M as a post June 1st cut), Joseph could be as well. The soon to be 33 year old could be cut at a $7M savings with no dead cap hit whatsoever. They definitely have the wiggle room and resources if they want to tag and keep Bouye .
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 11, 2017 12:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

With the pass rush, I think because we don't have that "one guy" that is a monster, it is perceived that we have a weak pass rush.
Even if you have Von Miller or Khalil Mack, as you saw when we played those teams, they can go invisible at times.

Every game you are not going to get this monster pass rush. The O-Line are professionals too and they will win some battles.

The pass rush as Rage said was top 10 in the league in sacks. That's nothing to sneeze at. We can expect to see more production from Dodd, hopefully.
I'm all for adding depth to the OLB spot and get some quality youth, not just David Bass or Justin Staples, to prep for the future with our aging OLBs.
But, it's not a priority to me. As much as Allen or Barnett would be boss to have, that's not needed. Unless it's Garrett, I don't think we worry about the pass rush.

And this mock steers that way, which I like. I think there is better OLB depth beyond Upshaw however.

With the ILB, I'm either way. I can see them trying to stretch the Woodyard/Williamson combo one more year and draft an ILB in the 3rd.
Or
I can see them invest in Cunningham or Foster. Depends on how they graded the Woodyard/Williamson duo this year.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 11, 2017 1:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, as far as the draft, I'm a huge fan. Trading back is my top option (usually is)... and landing Foster is a huge get. Davis at 18 would be just as huge.

I like double dipping at CB, once in FA and once via the draft. There are about 8 corners in FA that would be significant upgrades... and gives us options outside the Johnson/Buoye combo. So even if you we'd get someone like, say Kirkpatrick in FA, he and a rookie 2nd rounder should be upgrades to what we currently have.

Butt in the 3rd could also be a good pick. Even with the injury, I think he goes higher though.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 11, 2017 3:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ragevsuall17 wrote:
Yeah, as far as the draft, I'm a huge fan. Trading back is my top option (usually is)... and landing Foster is a huge get. Davis at 18 would be just as huge.

I like double dipping at CB, once in FA and once via the draft. There are about 8 corners in FA that would be significant upgrades... and gives us options outside the Johnson/Buoye combo. So even if you we'd get someone like, say Kirkpatrick in FA, he and a rookie 2nd rounder should be upgrades to what we currently have.

Butt in the 3rd could also be a good pick. Even with the injury, I think he goes higher though.


Foster would be nasty, think he'd greatly help Williamson's game as well. Not that Woodyard has been bad, but not really more than average. I wouldn't mind 2 FA CB's (one top, one more second wave of FA) and a high pick.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 12, 2017 11:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just wanted to clear up a few things but I don't want to reply separately to each person.

First the trade with the Browns. I dont think the Browns make this trade for a QB. With the first pick they get there guy who I think is Garret. I don't think there is a QB worth picking in the top 5 and I think they know that also. They do however need a RB and so does a lot of other teams between pick 6-12. Fournet is who I think they target with this trade. And a second round pick isn't much to give up when you look at the trades this high the last few years.

As for the pass rush depth. I by no means am implying that there is a problem with ours. But outside of Orakpo 10.5, Morgan 9 and Casey 5. The next guy is Spence with 3. With alot of people wanting Spence gone and the uncertainty with Dodd and others I don't feel comfortable without adding a decent third option at OLB. Someone to be a designated pass rusher. I'm open to others but looking at the list of available options in FA there wasn't many that would come at a reasonable price and be willing to be a backup.

As for my free agency picks. This is what I want to happen. In reality I think we go after these positions but maybe not these players.

Just another thought though. It's been pretty recognized that the chiefs keep only one of Berry or Poe. If Berry is kept Poe gets added to the top of my list of wants.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 13, 2017 6:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ragevsuall17 wrote:


Chocolateman78 wrote:
Also Also, If we want pass rush depth we could do WAY better than Courtney Upshaw and his 6 career sacks in 4 seasons.

I didn't even know the dude was still in the league


I don't understand what the problem with the pass rush is. We finished 6th in the league in sacks last year (40).... and were also top 10 in hurries (104).

We hope (and should reasonably expect) bigger contributions from Dodd (I continue hoping I'm wrong about him). We should also expect increased contributions on the line from Johnson and Jones (contract year). It'd be great if we can find an impact player opposite of Casey on the DL.... but it's not a priority. We have great depth on the DL... and run 3 deep at OLB. I think more than a pass rushing OLB, we need a guy's who's a little more rounded... someone like Fackrell from last year's draft.


For the record, I don't see a problem with the pass rush. Just with signing Upshaw.

Also when it comes to Dodd and OLB depth. I think we should look at Dodd almost like our lost 2nd round pick this year. I feel like some label him a bust because he didn't play right away. I think Dodd will be better next year. It took Morgan a year to transition from end to LB, but he's consistently gotten better year after year. Lets hope Dodd follows a similar trajectory.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 14, 2017 8:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Chocolateman78 wrote:
ragevsuall17 wrote:


Chocolateman78 wrote:
Also Also, If we want pass rush depth we could do WAY better than Courtney Upshaw and his 6 career sacks in 4 seasons.

I didn't even know the dude was still in the league


I don't understand what the problem with the pass rush is. We finished 6th in the league in sacks last year (40).... and were also top 10 in hurries (104).

We hope (and should reasonably expect) bigger contributions from Dodd (I continue hoping I'm wrong about him). We should also expect increased contributions on the line from Johnson and Jones (contract year). It'd be great if we can find an impact player opposite of Casey on the DL.... but it's not a priority. We have great depth on the DL... and run 3 deep at OLB. I think more than a pass rushing OLB, we need a guy's who's a little more rounded... someone like Fackrell from last year's draft.


For the record, I don't see a problem with the pass rush. Just with signing Upshaw.

Also when it comes to Dodd and OLB depth. I think we should look at Dodd almost like our lost 2nd round pick this year. I feel like some label him a bust because he didn't play right away. I think Dodd will be better next year. It took Morgan a year to transition from end to LB, but he's consistently gotten better year after year. Lets hope Dodd follows a similar trajectory.



People wanted to say Vic Beasley was a bust based on last year and we see how he is doing this year.
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