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PostPosted: Thu Jul 03, 2014 11:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Baggabonez wrote:
Chali21 wrote:
Darbsk wrote:
I see a big camp battle coming at the LB position. The overwhelming thought seems to be that Moore, Roach and Mack are already carved in stone to start but for me LB is the deepest position on the team and I'm very interested in seeing Burris, Burnett, Maiava and even Carlos Fields battle away to earn a starting spot.

It's going to be some what complicated by the fact that we'll be running some 3-4 and also in the Nickel package a lot. So far, the only lock for me seems to be Mack but he is a rookie after all and may have some issues adjusting to a much more complicated playbook (of course I hope that doesn't happen and he transitions smoothly to a Pro Bowl impact Very Happy )


I agree. We have so many good LBs especially if it's true that Burris is showing up and getting first team reps.

Also because of our depth at LB, does anyone thing we'll trade one of these guys. I mean a lot of guys have gone down for teams and the ravens even got something for McLain.


Imvho this is a non-story. The staff is probably trying to get a fair assessment of Burris by running him with the ones. There's a glut of players at OLB and before you cut a pass rushing specialist like Burris they probably want to know the full extent of his abilities in case he lands in division (most likely the Chargers) In 2012, Burris was rated the least effective OLB in the NFL. At SDSU Burris had one job and one job only, rush the passer. He is the definition of a one-trick pony. SAM is locked up so Burris will have to make the roster at Will which is the spot more likely to be in coverage. Burris was never in coverage at SDSU, struggled with coverage his rookie season and blew out his knee in 2013. Burris is an un-athletic straight-line pass rusher who will have to make the roster at something he isn't good at and has little experience. I don't like his chances and this story means little to me as Sio is a fluid athlete who is versatile enough to be coverage and was stout against the run.

I have a hunch all the Burris hyperbole is meant to motivate Sio who may be a bit put off by the organization addressing his position after proclaiming himself "the best LB in the draft" and concluding a very promising rookie season.


+1. I'm glad we've done a good job at filling out the depth there. Roach, Moore, Burnett, Burris and Maivia all have starting experience. Plus Mack. I agree; I think we just wanted to get a look at Burris to plan for reps in TC. But I highly doubt he gets the nod over Sio or Burnett. I want to see what Fields looks like too. I'm not expecting much from him as a UDFA, but I can't help but be intrigued. Hopefully we see him in action during preseason.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 03, 2014 11:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Baggabonez wrote:
Imvho this is a non-story. The staff is probably trying to get a fair assessment of Burris by running him with the ones. There's a glut of players at OLB and before you cut a pass rushing specialist like Burris they probably want to know the full extent of his abilities in case he lands in division (most likely the Chargers) In 2012, Burris was rated the least effective OLB in the NFL. At SDSU Burris had one job and one job only, rush the passer. He is the definition of a one-trick pony. SAM is locked up so Burris will have to make the roster at Will which is the spot more likely to be in coverage. Burris was never in coverage at SDSU, struggled with coverage his rookie season and blew out his knee in 2013. Burris is an un-athletic straight-line pass rusher who will have to make the roster at something he isn't good at and has little experience. I don't like his chances and this story means little to me as Sio is a fluid athlete who is versatile enough to be coverage and was stout against the run.

I have a hunch all the Burris hyperbole is meant to motivate Sio who may be a bit put off by the organization addressing his position after proclaiming himself "the best LB in the draft" and concluding a very promising rookie season
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Interesting thought.............though I think you're being a little harsh on Burris. Not sure who rated him 'the least effective OLB in the NFL' but maybe they didn't see the potential and I'm absolutely sure there were worse players than him in his rookie season.

I see in Burris a player that is limited, but his biggest problem IMHO is that he wants to make every tackle on every play and over runs and over commits too often putting himself in bad position. Some call it the exuberance of youth and he was a rookie after all. Who knows, maybe it's a problem that can't be fixed but I think he could potentially be an underrated backup or spot starter that could contribute especially when blitzing.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 04, 2014 12:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Darbsk wrote:
Baggabonez wrote:
Imvho this is a non-story. The staff is probably trying to get a fair assessment of Burris by running him with the ones. There's a glut of players at OLB and before you cut a pass rushing specialist like Burris they probably want to know the full extent of his abilities in case he lands in division (most likely the Chargers) In 2012, Burris was rated the least effective OLB in the NFL. At SDSU Burris had one job and one job only, rush the passer. He is the definition of a one-trick pony. SAM is locked up so Burris will have to make the roster at Will which is the spot more likely to be in coverage. Burris was never in coverage at SDSU, struggled with coverage his rookie season and blew out his knee in 2013. Burris is an un-athletic straight-line pass rusher who will have to make the roster at something he isn't good at and has little experience. I don't like his chances and this story means little to me as Sio is a fluid athlete who is versatile enough to be coverage and was stout against the run.

I have a hunch all the Burris hyperbole is meant to motivate Sio who may be a bit put off by the organization addressing his position after proclaiming himself "the best LB in the draft" and concluding a very promising rookie season
.


Interesting thought.............though I think you're being a little harsh on Burris. Not sure who rated him 'the least effective OLB in the NFL' but maybe they didn't see the potential and I'm absolutely sure there were worse players than him in his rookie season.

I see in Burris a player that is limited, but his biggest problem IMHO is that he wants to make every tackle on every play and over runs and over commits too often putting himself in bad position. Some call it the exuberance of youth and he was a rookie after all. Who knows, maybe it's a problem that can't be fixed but I think he could potentially be an underrated backup or spot starter that could contribute especially when blitzing.


I think he could be used as trade bait. LBs are dropping all over the league. If we could get a 5th or a 6th for him if be all over it.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 05, 2014 10:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Raiders could probably get something for Kevin Burnett, solid veteran player. The free agent market for LBs right now is brutal.
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The Contra Costa Times' Steve Corkran said second-year CB D.J. Hayden is out of his walking boot and expected to be ready for the start of training camp.


Great news about D.J. Hayden Very Happy
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 07, 2014 3:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The Contra Costa Times' Steve Corkran said second-year CB D.J. Hayden is out of his walking boot and expected to be ready for the start of training camp.


Great news about D.J. Hayden Very Happy


Yes it is............CB could be a nice camp battle too with Hayden, Brown, the rookies and Rodgers hopefully all healthy and competing. Barring another mishap Brown and Hayden to man the perimeter and Rodgers in the slot.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 29, 2014 12:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Got my eye right now on Miles Burris vs. Sio Moore at weakside linebacker. It's good to see that because the runner up will at least provide quality depth at that spot.

I am rooting hard for Gabe Jackson to beat Khalif Barnes for starting left guard.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 29, 2014 1:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sonic Raider wrote:
Got my eye right now on Miles Burris vs. Sio Moore at weakside linebacker. It's good to see that because the runner up will at least provide quality depth at that spot.

I am rooting hard for Gabe Jackson to beat Khalif Barnes for starting left guard.


I think that Sio Moore will be the starter week one. I think the coaches may be doing this to get him to work harder.

Moore - Roach - Mack is going to be nice especially playing behind Woodley - Sims - Smith - Tuck.

Our front seven should be much better next season. Hopefully our young guys in the secondary are ready to play and guys like Rodgers and Woodson still have a little left in their tank.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 29, 2014 4:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

OakleyCap wrote:
Sonic Raider wrote:
Got my eye right now on Miles Burris vs. Sio Moore at weakside linebacker. It's good to see that because the runner up will at least provide quality depth at that spot.

I am rooting hard for Gabe Jackson to beat Khalif Barnes for starting left guard.


I think that Sio Moore will be the starter week one. I think the coaches may be doing this to get him to work harder.

Moore - Roach - Mack is going to be nice especially playing behind Woodley - Sims - Smith - Tuck.

Our front seven should be much better next season. Hopefully our young guys in the secondary are ready to play and guys like Rodgers and Woodson still have a little left in their tank.


Of all the battles currently going on I think CB could be the most crucial right now as with Hayden out, Rodgers still a question mark as to whether he's fallen off the cliff and the inexperience of most of the other contenders we've gone from possibly having a very solid unit to maybe having an inexperienced and fragile unit if Rodgers fails to impress.

I think the plan was to play Rodgers in the slot but who steps up now?????
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 29, 2014 4:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hopefully Keith McGill and/or Chimdi Chekwa can step up for us this year at corner. I think that TJ Carrie may surprise some people this year too.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 29, 2014 6:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Hopefully Keith McGill and/or Chimdi Chekwa can step up for us this year at corner. I think that TJ Carrie may surprise some people this year too.


He seems to be making some waves and getting noticed

http://www.ibabuzz.com/oaklandraiders/2014/07/28/raiders-cornerback-tj-carrie-is-turning-heads-and-leaning-on-fellow-dls-alum-maurice-jones-drew-for-guidance/

I was expecting McGill to be in the mix but if Carrie makes the team it would be a win for a 7th rounder.
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I thought Carrie was almost a shoo-in tbh. His ST value is huge for us since he can return punts and do it at least decently. Now add in that he's ahead of where we thought he'd be mentally and maturity wise plus his positive, team-first mentality and you have the kind of player Reggie and Allen want. Making plays and being friends with MoJo is the icing on the cake. I'll be surprised if he doesn't make the team barring a collapse or someone stepping it up.

Not sure where we're at regarding the CB position. We know Brown will start but Hayden's injury makes things murky. Rogers can play slot but was old to begin with. So I'm seeing a Ron Bartell-like season in his future if we have to start him outside all year. Taiwan likely still isn't good enough to be better than CB #4. Then we have Chekwa making strides and running with the 1s while Brown and DJ were out. Plus Carrie making noise. Then there's Keith McGill. I know the FO isn't scared of releasing a 4th round pick in TC (Hi Tyler Wilson) but I doubt he gets axed so quickly.

So unless I'm forgetting some players, this leaves us with: Tarell Brown, DJ Hayden, Carlos Rogers, Chimdi Chekwa, TJ Carrie, Taiwan Jones, Keith McGill. 7 CBs. Intriguing group, really. The way I see it shaking out is with DJ opening the season on PUP and Taiwan being counted among STers. So 5 legit CBs. When DJ comes back, I think Carrie (or Chekwa) and Rogers split time at NB to keep Rogers fresh from the extra snaps he will have received due to DJ's injury.

Injuries will happen, which concerns me a bit. I like the depth we have but I don't know if we can trust them yet. Even still, the top of our DC isn't strong. Could be a long year. Albeit, an interesting one for sure imo.
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