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PostPosted: Fri Apr 18, 2014 9:57 pm    Post subject: Re: Suh/#10 bait for trade up? Reply with quote

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What do you think Clowney was in town for? No way his agents let him visit Detroit w/o some proof of Lions ability to move up and get him. IMO the front office is getting a little tired of Suh's act and his cap hit over the next two years is about $48 mil if they have to franchise him in 2015. Send him and #10 to Jax and assure the Lions a stud(Clowney, Watkins, Mack) and get some cap relief. Not my first choice but if Suh is showing signs of not wanting to be here long term it's time to make a deal that lands us top quality talent at a more cap friendly number. Just a thought.


If the Lions trade Suh, an all-pro, AND their top pick for a draft pick, they ought to be fired on the spot. That's terrible value.


Really? $22 mil cap hit this year! $26 mil next year if forced to franchise him. Or let him walk for nothing. That's not even a tough decision.
"If forced"? They could use the transition tag, which IIRC signs him to a smaller contract and also gives them the option to match any contract he signs.


How'd that work out for Cleveland? Highest paid C in football. Greeeaaaat!


Better than valuing him as a second round pick and putting him on par with the likes of Darius Slay.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 18, 2014 9:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I mean what's even the point of drafting if your just going to trade away the good players you develop? Suh's problems are way overblown as well, would rather have a fiery guy like him that maybe needs to tone it down a bit than a guy who doesn't care. Hell give me 22 guys like Suh and I'd be happy, would just have to work on not letting them get too fired up.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 18, 2014 10:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I mean what's even the point of drafting if your just going to trade away the good players you develop? Suh's problems are way overblown as well, would rather have a fiery guy like him that maybe needs to tone it down a bit than a guy who doesn't care. Hell give me 22 guys like Suh and I'd be happy, would just have to work on not letting them get too fired up.


No doubt! I get ALL that!! SALARY CAP!!!!! Jeez, we can't pay 3 players top three at their positions and remain viable for long.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 18, 2014 10:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I mean what's even the point of drafting if your just going to trade away the good players you develop? Suh's problems are way overblown as well, would rather have a fiery guy like him that maybe needs to tone it down a bit than a guy who doesn't care. Hell give me 22 guys like Suh and I'd be happy, would just have to work on not letting them get too fired up.


No doubt! I get ALL that!! SALARY CAP!!!!! Jeez, we can't pay 3 players top three at their positions and remain viable for long.


I don't care about being "viable for long," I just want to be a champion once. After that we can work on keeping it together. In the spirit of winning that one big one, I say we avoid trading the best DT in the game as he enters his prime for a prospect who may be Reggie White or may be Courtney Brown.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 18, 2014 10:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I mean what's even the point of drafting if your just going to trade away the good players you develop? Suh's problems are way overblown as well, would rather have a fiery guy like him that maybe needs to tone it down a bit than a guy who doesn't care. Hell give me 22 guys like Suh and I'd be happy, would just have to work on not letting them get too fired up.


No doubt! I get ALL that!! SALARY CAP!!!!! Jeez, we can't pay 3 players top three at their positions and remain viable for long.


Calm down Bertha, that still doesn't excuse the fact that the value is terrible.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 18, 2014 10:27 pm    Post subject: Re: Suh/#10 bait for trade up? Reply with quote

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What do you think Clowney was in town for? No way his agents let him visit Detroit w/o some proof of Lions ability to move up and get him. IMO the front office is getting a little tired of Suh's act and his cap hit over the next two years is about $48 mil if they have to franchise him in 2015. Send him and #10 to Jax and assure the Lions a stud(Clowney, Watkins, Mack) and get some cap relief. Not my first choice but if Suh is showing signs of not wanting to be here long term it's time to make a deal that lands us top quality talent at a more cap friendly number. Just a thought.


If the Lions trade Suh, an all-pro, AND their top pick for a draft pick, they ought to be fired on the spot. That's terrible value.


Really? $22 mil cap hit this year! $26 mil next year if forced to franchise him. Or let him walk for nothing. That's not even a tough decision.
"If forced"? They could use the transition tag, which IIRC signs him to a smaller contract and also gives them the option to match any contract he signs.


How'd that work out for Cleveland? Highest paid C in football. Greeeaaaat!
And? Suh deserves every penny he'll get. He has that kind of impact. It would be dumb to trade him for a chance to maybe get Clowney.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 18, 2014 10:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I mean what's even the point of drafting if your just going to trade away the good players you develop? Suh's problems are way overblown as well, would rather have a fiery guy like him that maybe needs to tone it down a bit than a guy who doesn't care. Hell give me 22 guys like Suh and I'd be happy, would just have to work on not letting them get too fired up.


No doubt! I get ALL that!! SALARY CAP!!!!! Jeez, we can't pay 3 players top three at their positions and remain viable for long.
If we draft well and spend smartly in FA then yes we for sure can be "viable for long"
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 18, 2014 10:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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hardlion wrote:
Victor Cruz Pun wrote:
I mean what's even the point of drafting if your just going to trade away the good players you develop? Suh's problems are way overblown as well, would rather have a fiery guy like him that maybe needs to tone it down a bit than a guy who doesn't care. Hell give me 22 guys like Suh and I'd be happy, would just have to work on not letting them get too fired up.


No doubt! I get ALL that!! SALARY CAP!!!!! Jeez, we can't pay 3 players top three at their positions and remain viable for long.


I don't care about being "viable for long," I just want to be a champion once. After that we can work on keeping it together. In the spirit of winning that one big one, I say we avoid trading the best DT in the game as he enters his prime for a prospect who may be Reggie White or may be Courtney Brown.


I never said it had to Clowney. It's just his visit that has put moving way up on the board and thinking that, in the long run, moving Suh over trading away picks might make sense. But Phil Coke just got a RHB out, so what really makes sense anymore? Lol.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 18, 2014 11:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think they found a trade partner. the top of the draft is not set in stone,we could possibly have four qbs go before ten. lets say we have something with the browns in place..houston drafts a qb,rams go OT, jags could grab a qb we just don't know. might aswell bring him in for a visit..

no way in hell id trade suh
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 19, 2014 12:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The team may well be frustrated that Suh isn't attending voluntary workouts. I'm sure they want him there just as CJ and Stafford are.

Even with that he alone is worth multiple first round picks. It would be foolish for the Lions to trade him and the 10th pick to move up.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 19, 2014 9:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I thought the idea of trading Suh was absurd when it was brought up before.

But I was thinking about Fairley the other day, and I believe the time he was at his best, was when Suh was suspended back in 2011. I wonder if Fairley would flourish if he wasnt in Suh's shadow? I honestly think Fairley has more ability than Suh. Is it possible that we could move Suh and not miss him? Just a thought.

I dont see a trade very plausible because we would still be on the hook for a ton of money IIRC.

But if that wasnt much of an issue, I must admit I would consider it.
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If Stafford sucks it up again this season, I would not be opposed to a sign & trade Suh to a Jacksonville or Oakland for the #1 pick for a chance to draft Jameis Winston. Sit Winston for a season behind backwardshat and trade Stafford like Alex Smith.
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If Stafford sucks it up again this season, I would not be opposed to a sign & trade Suh to a Jacksonville or Oakland for the #1 pick for a chance to draft Jameis Winston. Sit Winston for a season behind backwardshat and trade Stafford like Alex Smith.


I'm pretty sure any team bad enough to get the top pick will want a QB more than we do if jameis is as good as expected as a prospect.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 19, 2014 3:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think we're looking at the wrong DT as trade bait.
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