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mcmurtry86


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 31, 2014 12:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

BigTimePatsFan9 wrote:
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ICB 45 wrote:
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So Im combing through random mock drafts on the various sites and I see Sports Illustrated has us taking Dee Ford at 29 and my initial reaction was "ew" then I go to a another mock on a different site and see Ford go to the Seahawks at 32 and think "good pick for them". Idk what Im thinking lol


In my next mock, I will likely have us taking Ford in the first. Biggest need and really the only viable first round candidate who will be available at our pick. He is a great player, I don't really get the hate.


I'm not sure if DE is a bigger need over interior OL. Wendell was one of the worst centers in the league this year and Mankins and Connolly were average at best. Ninkovich was at least solid


The starting interior OL isn't as talented as the starting DE's but there is at least 1 backup (Cannon) on the interior OL who is competent. The backup DE's are useless and as a result the starters got worn down. They absolutely have to find a #3 DE to rotate in and provide depth.

DE and LB have absolutely no depth right now and I expect that they hit those areas in the draft, low-cost trades or bargain bin veterans.


I would say Buchanan is a competent backup. I'd rather address the DL and LB depth in the later rounds of the draft and get a stud interior lineman to keep our Hall of Fame QB on his feet


Buchanan showed next to nothing last year and was benched midway through the season for the corpse of Andre Carter. There is absolutely no reason to think he's capable of stepping up if Jones or Ninkovich goes down.

As it is, they're more likely to find a quality interior OL in the mid/late portion of the draft than a competent DE/LB.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 31, 2014 11:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mcmurtry86 wrote:
BigTimePatsFan9 wrote:
mcmurtry86 wrote:
BigTimePatsFan9 wrote:
ICB 45 wrote:
Deadpulse wrote:
So Im combing through random mock drafts on the various sites and I see Sports Illustrated has us taking Dee Ford at 29 and my initial reaction was "ew" then I go to a another mock on a different site and see Ford go to the Seahawks at 32 and think "good pick for them". Idk what Im thinking lol


In my next mock, I will likely have us taking Ford in the first. Biggest need and really the only viable first round candidate who will be available at our pick. He is a great player, I don't really get the hate.


I'm not sure if DE is a bigger need over interior OL. Wendell was one of the worst centers in the league this year and Mankins and Connolly were average at best. Ninkovich was at least solid


Not in this draft. This draft is pretty weak at OG and C, so I think we would be better sufficed going for someone like Richburg early on. We could easily get someone like Kareem Martin in the 3rd if we wanted depth

The starting interior OL isn't as talented as the starting DE's but there is at least 1 backup (Cannon) on the interior OL who is competent. The backup DE's are useless and as a result the starters got worn down. They absolutely have to find a #3 DE to rotate in and provide depth.

DE and LB have absolutely no depth right now and I expect that they hit those areas in the draft, low-cost trades or bargain bin veterans.


I would say Buchanan is a competent backup. I'd rather address the DL and LB depth in the later rounds of the draft and get a stud interior lineman to keep our Hall of Fame QB on his feet


Buchanan showed next to nothing last year and was benched midway through the season for the corpse of Andre Carter. There is absolutely no reason to think he's capable of stepping up if Jones or Ninkovich goes down.

As it is, they're more likely to find a quality interior OL in the mid/late portion of the draft than a competent DE/LB.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 31, 2014 11:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Richter, did you do your "Explosiveness Index" scale this year? I always enjoy reading through that every year.
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Richter, did you do your "Explosiveness Index" scale this year? I always enjoy reading through that every year.

It's in the pipeline. It was delayed because the NFL delayed the release of their testing data.
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With the return game less a factor since they change the rule on kickoff a couple of years ago, the role of a returner should be viewed as a lesser role than before.

Also since the discussion about the draft got where posters on this thread think it should be a more depth draft than anything. Would it be a good idea in the late rounds to choose a RB or a WR with the ability to start day one as a returner? Last year Blount did a lot of kick return, surely it is a position of need, even if the position is not a critical one?
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With the return game less a factor since they change the rule on kickoff a couple of years ago, the role of a returner should be viewed as a lesser role than before.

Also since the discussion about the draft got where posters on this thread think it should be a more depth draft than anything. Would it be a good idea in the late rounds to choose a RB or a WR with the ability to start day one as a returner? Last year Blount did a lot of kick return, surely it is a position of need, even if the position is not a critical one?


The Pats have plenty of guys who can return kicks. I don't think it's something they're going to specifically look for.
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mcmurtry86 wrote:
QcFootballFan wrote:
With the return game less a factor since they change the rule on kickoff a couple of years ago, the role of a returner should be viewed as a lesser role than before.

Also since the discussion about the draft got where posters on this thread think it should be a more depth draft than anything. Would it be a good idea in the late rounds to choose a RB or a WR with the ability to start day one as a returner? Last year Blount did a lot of kick return, surely it is a position of need, even if the position is not a critical one?


The Pats have plenty of guys who can return kicks. I don't think it's something they're going to specifically look for.


So you think Blount was the best of a pretty deep and successful returners?

But what I meant is, since many mock the Pat to take a WR or a RB in late rounds, when you need to choose said player, does his returning ability be a factor. As I said, I dont think its a critical need, but returning kickoff is still part of a game.
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So you think Blount was the best of a pretty deep and successful returners?


No, I didn't say that. He was the healthiest of the guys with KR ability. Amendola, Edelman, Vereen, Boyce can all do it to some degree.

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But what I meant is, since many mock the Pat to take a WR or a RB in late rounds, when you need to choose said player, does his returning ability be a factor. As I said, I dont think its a critical need, but returning kickoff is still part of a game.


Once you get beyond the 2nd round, every player drafted (outside of QB and OL) needs to have situational and/or special teams value. So I would expect that any WR, RB or DB they select has some degree of special teams ability, whether it's returning kicks or covering them. I don't think they're going to seek out a guy to fill that role. If one falls to them and is a good value? Maybe they pull the trigger in the 6th round.

I think Boyce is the guy if he's healthy and can make the team.
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mcmurtry86 wrote:
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So you think Blount was the best of a pretty deep and successful returners?


No, I didn't say that. He was the healthiest of the guys with KR ability. Amendola, Edelman, Vereen, Boyce can all do it to some degree.

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But what I meant is, since many mock the Pat to take a WR or a RB in late rounds, when you need to choose said player, does his returning ability be a factor. As I said, I dont think its a critical need, but returning kickoff is still part of a game.


Once you get beyond the 2nd round, every player drafted (outside of QB and OL) needs to have situational and/or special teams value. So I would expect that any WR, RB or DB they select has some degree of special teams ability, whether it's returning kicks or covering them. I don't think they're going to seek out a guy to fill that role. If one falls to them and is a good value? Maybe they pull the trigger in the 6th round.

I think Boyce is the guy if he's healthy and can make the team.


Make sense, thanks
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 01, 2014 7:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pats meeting with Manziel tomorrow per RapSheet
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mcmurtry86 wrote:
Pats meeting with Manziel tomorrow per RapSheet


April fools? Is he anticipating a huge trade up?

Might be a dumb question, but I wonder if BB meets with guys he feels he might possibly be interested in 4 - 5 years down the line.
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Pats meeting with Manziel tomorrow per RapSheet


April fools? Is he anticipating a huge trade up?

Might be a dumb question, but I wonder if BB meets with guys he feels he might possibly be interested in 4 - 5 years down the line.


Well, there's a chance Manziel slides. And it's been reported (numerous times) that Belichick likes to meet with guys to gauge the value of a trade if that guy's on the board and also for scouting purposes.
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Pats meeting with Manziel tomorrow per RapSheet


Teddy Bridgewater too...

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/nfl-draft--johnny-manziel-will-meet-with-new-england-patriots--per-reports-031300240.html
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How do you all feel about high upside players with character concerns after the Hernandez situation? How do you all think the Patriots' management feels?

I was reading an article about the Patriots spending a late-round selection on the immensely-talented-yet-troubled Colt Lyerla (Oregon TE). Off-the-field issues have marred his profile, and he may be a sixth rounder at this point. From a talent standpoint, however, he's probably a top five TE in the draft. Of course, Mark Harrison is coming back, and there are other options earlier on like ASJ and Troy Niklas, but the question is more about the Patriots' overall strategy rather than their need at the TE position.

How much of a factor will character concerns play this year in straying from potential stars like Lyerla or Ra'Shede Hageman?
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Pats meeting with Manziel tomorrow per RapSheet


If a talent like Manziel falls in the draft, tough to pass up on him. I agree with what you said too, I definitely could see one of the top 3 QB's falling a bit. We've seen this a lot the past decade.

Wouldn't put much into this though. We did bring in Tebow for a private workout too.
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