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Sugashane


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 29, 2014 10:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

SLCbear wrote:
Sugashane wrote:
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Mudderfudder77 wrote:
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I go corner for sure. The CB market in the NFL right now is getting a ton of money. Draft Tillman's replacement for next year.


I'm not opposed to the idea of going CB in the 1st of the value is there.. I just don't know how I feel about drafting a guy in the 1st who's going to sit behind and learn from someone for a year.

Ideally you want an immediate impact starter from day 1 with that pick.


He can play Nickel year one and still be an immediate impact player.


I'd be fine with a solid CB prospect starting off at FS for this season if it keeps Conte off the field.

So if we have Dennard or Gilbert, start them at FS. If we go nickel formation then let him slide up to nickel and put the next best player at safety.

Honestly I think with us facing Rodgers and Stafford twice a year each, I think a NB will be on the field for over 50% of the defensive snaps. Plenty of reps to make a major impact in itself. But I would love to get them as much time on the field as possible, just depends on how quickly they can digest their assignments, coverages, and everything.


It's the other way around. You draft a S with cover skills to help out in Nickel, not take a rookie and throw him into the fire at new position. Right now, Chris Conte would perform far better at safety than any college corner playing out of position> Pryor can cover the slot pretty well, Clinton-Dix maybe as well.

And as your post implies, there will be plenty of reps for a rookie CB at his natural position anyway.


I have to completely disagree here. Mathieu barely played any safety at all at LSU (then had a year away from football) and there are other safety prospects who played corner in college.


I like your logic <<<< the problem is that these are very different positions, skill sets/muscle memory, fields of view. And besides, you want rookies to develop as calmly as possible.

Athletic freaks like the great Tyrann Mathieu can do about anything they want to on a football field, but any such freak is uncommonly rare ha!
Its very hard for me to imagine any list of names for CBs entering this year's draft that are capable of outplaying 4th yr. Chris Conte at FS <<< who incidentally is coming off of a very poor season and playing for his Football Starting Life.


I agree with how you want rookies to develop, and that the positions are vastly different. I think the disagreement between us is actually about Conte. I have staggeringly low opinions on how well he can perform when he is to be relied upon. A rejuvenated front seven can hide his deficiencies for the most part, but in the end he is a back up quality player, and if we are keeping the Cover 2 in place I think a rookie CB would be able to learn and adjust to such a simple assignment, and outperform Conte.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 29, 2014 11:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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…but what he said about Conte also backs up that we might not be looking safety early…he said he wanted Conte to compete for a starting job…if he drafts a guy in the 1st round that competition is over before it began.

I don't think Emery's comment about "wanting Conte to compete for a starting job" was that literal. I felt like he probably just meant Conte didn't play up to his potential this past season and needs to play at a higher level, be it as a starter or as a backup.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 29, 2014 11:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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…but what he said about Conte also backs up that we might not be looking safety early…he said he wanted Conte to compete for a starting job…if he drafts a guy in the 1st round that competition is over before it began.

I don't think Emery's comment about "wanting Conte to compete for a starting job" was that literal. I felt like he probably just meant Conte didn't play up to his potential this past season and needs to play at a higher level, be it as a starter or as a backup.


I personally think it was literal…Emery hasn’t done anything to make us think he is a liar like JA was…as I’ve said many times before not many people had a problem with Conte’s play in his first two seasons…and rightfully so because he was solid…last season he was asked to do way too much behind a terrible front seven…we sort out the front seven and I think Conte can get back to being a solid piece of the D.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 29, 2014 11:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Madmike90 wrote:
IronMike84 wrote:
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…but what he said about Conte also backs up that we might not be looking safety early…he said he wanted Conte to compete for a starting job…if he drafts a guy in the 1st round that competition is over before it began.

I don't think Emery's comment about "wanting Conte to compete for a starting job" was that literal. I felt like he probably just meant Conte didn't play up to his potential this past season and needs to play at a higher level, be it as a starter or as a backup.


I personally think it was literal…Emery hasn’t done anything to make us think he is a liar like JA was…as I’ve said many times before not many people had a problem with Conte’s play in his first two seasons…and rightfully so because he was solid…last season he was asked to do way too much behind a terrible front seven…we sort out the front seven and I think Conte can get back to being a solid piece of the D.

Another problem Conte (and Wright) had last year was that their bad play made each other look worse too. The Conte from 2 and 3 years ago was adequate even if unspectacular. We could still use an upgrade, but if the highly upgraded front 4 can get consistent pressure there will be improvement back there regardless of who is back there. Conte's biggest problem second half of last year seemed to be confidence though, and most fans will have zero tolerance for mistakes next year (an unfair but understood standard), so if he is indeed back there he had better have thick skin.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 29, 2014 11:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

AZBearsFan wrote:
Madmike90 wrote:
IronMike84 wrote:
Madmike90 wrote:
…but what he said about Conte also backs up that we might not be looking safety early…he said he wanted Conte to compete for a starting job…if he drafts a guy in the 1st round that competition is over before it began.

I don't think Emery's comment about "wanting Conte to compete for a starting job" was that literal. I felt like he probably just meant Conte didn't play up to his potential this past season and needs to play at a higher level, be it as a starter or as a backup.


I personally think it was literal…Emery hasn’t done anything to make us think he is a liar like JA was…as I’ve said many times before not many people had a problem with Conte’s play in his first two seasons…and rightfully so because he was solid…last season he was asked to do way too much behind a terrible front seven…we sort out the front seven and I think Conte can get back to being a solid piece of the D.

Another problem Conte (and Wright) had last year was that their bad play made each other look worse too. The Conte from 2 and 3 years ago was adequate even if unspectacular. We could still use an upgrade, but if the highly upgraded front 4 can get consistent pressure there will be improvement back there regardless of who is back there. Conte's biggest problem second half of last year seemed to be confidence though, and most fans will have zero tolerance for mistakes next year (an unfair but understood standard), so if he is indeed back there he had better have thick skin.


All very true...Conte has to step up himself and everyone knows that but as you said improving the talent around him at least gives him a shot to get back to being a solid piece of this D...his confidence is something that will be a big part of any turnaround.
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