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PostPosted: Fri Dec 13, 2013 10:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

lol Shanny leaking today that Snyder was the end all be all for the RG3 trade. If you really didn't want it Mike, you should have said something. You had the final say according to our beliefs. This is a bunch of BS.
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lol Shanny leaking today that Snyder was the end all be all for the RG3 trade. If you really didn't want it Mike, you should have said something. You had the final say according to our beliefs. This is a bunch of BS.
Thats ridiculous. They were asking last week that since Mike had full control on personnel decisions was he still talking to Snyder before making moves like deactivating RG3 and he said yes.

I think they all work together on major decisions and I don't believe mike for one second.

He's skating in insubordination with Snyder, which means he'll be fired with cause.

I just don't get it. Mikes digging himself a grave, I'd be shocked if he ever coaches again and his legacy is definitely tarnished with the way he's acting.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 13, 2013 10:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

turtle28 wrote:
MikeT14 wrote:
lol Shanny leaking today that Snyder was the end all be all for the RG3 trade. If you really didn't want it Mike, you should have said something. You had the final say according to our beliefs. This is a bunch of BS.
Thats ridiculous. They were asking last week that since Mike had full control on personnel decisions was he still talking to Snyder before making moves like deactivating RG3 and he said yes.

I think they all work together on major decisions and I don't believe mike for one second.

He's skating in insubordination with Snyder, which means he'll be fired with cause.

I just don't get it. Mikes digging himself a grave, I'd be shocked if he ever coaches again and his legacy is definitely tarnished with the way he's acting.
Or he's telling the truth about how terribly run our franchise is.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 13, 2013 10:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

MikeT14 wrote:
lol Shanny leaking today that Snyder was the end all be all for the RG3 trade. If you really didn't want it Mike, you should have said something. You had the final say according to our beliefs. This is a bunch of BS.
Thats ridiculous. They were asking last week that since Mike had full control on personnel decisions was he still talking to Snyder before making moves like deactivating RG3 and he said yes.

I think they all work together on major decisions and I don't believe mike for one second.

He's skating on insubordination with Snyder, which means he'll be fired with cause.

I just don't get it. Mikes digging himself a grave, I'd be shocked if he ever coaches again with the way he's treating his owner in the public, let alone second 3rd time he's thrown a starting Qb under the buss and his legacy is definitely tarnished with the way he's acting.

I'm not sure why an owner would want to hire not why players would want to play for him.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 13, 2013 10:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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turtle28 wrote:
MikeT14 wrote:
lol Shanny leaking today that Snyder was the end all be all for the RG3 trade. If you really didn't want it Mike, you should have said something. You had the final say according to our beliefs. This is a bunch of BS.
Thats ridiculous. They were asking last week that since Mike had full control on personnel decisions was he still talking to Snyder before making moves like deactivating RG3 and he said yes.

I think they all work together on major decisions and I don't believe mike for one second.

He's skating in insubordination with Snyder, which means he'll be fired with cause.

I just don't get it. Mikes digging himself a grave, I'd be shocked if he ever coaches again and his legacy is definitely tarnished with the way he's acting.
Or he's telling the truth about how terribly run our franchise is.
Shanhan had total control, he wouldn't have taken the job if didn't have it. He was given Holmgren and Parcels type control of football operations, just like he was in Denver and once again like Holmgren and Parcels everywhere they went, they failed in that capacity! The three of them have proven time and time again that a person can not be in charge of all football operations and the head coach as well.

It's too much for one person to handle. You can't shop for the groceries and then coach them also. It just doesn't work.

So are you telling me that if Mike said I'm not trading up for RG3, I'm
Going to be fired?

Hogwash! It was his final call or he was at the least agreeable to the decision and made the calls to the rams organization to get it done. Remember, the trade was helped because of Mike Shanahan and Jeff Fisher's relationship.

Every time the man opens up his mouth - he lies! He's been doing it for as long as he's been coaching. Everyone that knows him best days that

Mark Schlereth said it yesterday on ESPN on Mike & Mike in the morning. Some of his Broncos players have said that over the years, like Clinton Portis and Jake Plummer and Redskins like Donovan McNabb, Haynesworth, Chris Cooley, etc, etc.

The entire media knows it, Shanahan has no credibility.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 13, 2013 11:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

turtle28 wrote:
MKnight82 wrote:
turtle28 wrote:
MikeT14 wrote:
lol Shanny leaking today that Snyder was the end all be all for the RG3 trade. If you really didn't want it Mike, you should have said something. You had the final say according to our beliefs. This is a bunch of BS.
Thats ridiculous. They were asking last week that since Mike had full control on personnel decisions was he still talking to Snyder before making moves like deactivating RG3 and he said yes.

I think they all work together on major decisions and I don't believe mike for one second.

He's skating in insubordination with Snyder, which means he'll be fired with cause.

I just don't get it. Mikes digging himself a grave, I'd be shocked if he ever coaches again and his legacy is definitely tarnished with the way he's acting.
Or he's telling the truth about how terribly run our franchise is.
Shanhan had total control, he wouldn't have taken the job if didn't have it. He was given Holmgren and Parcels type control of football operations, just like he was in Denver and once again like Holmgren and Parcels everywhere they went, they failed in that capacity! The three of them have proven time and time again that a person can not be in charge of all football operations and the head coach as well.

It's too much for one person to handle. You can't shop for the groceries and then coach them also. It just doesn't work.

So are you telling me that if Mike said I'm not trading up for RG3, I'm
Going to be fired?

Hogwash! It was his final call or he was at the least agreeable to the decision and made the calls to the rams organization to get it done. Remember, the trade was helped because of Mike Shanahan and Jeff Fisher's relationship.

Every time the man opens up his mouth - he lies! He's been doing it for as long as he's been coaching. Everyone that knows him best days that

Mark Schlereth said it yesterday on ESPN on Mike & Mike in the morning. Some of his Broncos players have said that over the years, like Clinton Portis and Jake Plummer and Redskins like Donovan McNabb, Haynesworth, Chris Cooley, etc, etc.

The entire media knows it, Shanahan has no credibility.
Neither does Dan Snyder.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 13, 2013 3:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is an interesting article:

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/writer/jason-la-canfora/24373508/snyder-rg3-made-mistakes-but-this-skins-disaster-is-all-shanahans

I think he really focused the situation.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 13, 2013 4:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Geronimo wrote:
This is an interesting article:

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/writer/jason-la-canfora/24373508/snyder-rg3-made-mistakes-but-this-skins-disaster-is-all-shanahans

I think he really focused the situation.



This article us great! I believe he nailed it.
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/dc-sports-bog/wp/2013/12/13/michael-irvin-roasts-mike-shanahan/

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Then came Michael Irvin, and I wonít put this in all caps, but thatís basically how it was delivered.

ďIíve always spoke highly and thought highly of Mike Shanahan,Ē Irvin said. ďCheck the tapes, go back as far as you want. But Iím so disappointed in what Iím seeing. This is personal, and I donít care what you say. And thereís no way, no way, you sit your quarterback RGIII in his second season. We all know that Cam Newton went through a second season that wasnít quite what it [could have been], but look at what Camís doing now. It is amazing to me. And hereís something nobody is talking about: This is the third person that Mike Shanahan has had an issue with that was a star player with the Washington Redskins. I understand, coaches come in and they want to grab control, and they usually go after a star player to get control. Donovan, Albert Haynesworth Ė say what you will, say what you will Ė and now RGIII.

ďRGIIIís handling it the best he can,Ē Irvin continued. ďDonovan said something like this was going to go down, so Iím not giving Mike Shanahan a pass when somebody predicted whatís happening right now to this young man. You are TEARING HIM DOWN. I doubt that any man can come back from this, walking around three weeks around these guys that you have to lead. And I donít want to hear about teammates either; we understand as teammates and players, quarterbacks DO get special treatment. You donít see people arguing when Peyton Manning or Tom Brady gets it; I donít want you arguing when this kid gets it. Heís the quarterback, and the rest of us brothers have to understand that and treat him as such. Iíve got an issue with all of it.

Ö You think they could do this to Andrew Luck? Let me ask you that, you think they could do this to Luck?Ē
I actually agree with Mike Irvin and shocker... I agree with Donovan McNabb[/quote]
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 15, 2013 2:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

turtle28 wrote:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/dc-sports-bog/wp/2013/12/13/michael-irvin-roasts-mike-shanahan/

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Then came Michael Irvin, and I wonít put this in all caps, but thatís basically how it was delivered.

ďIíve always spoke highly and thought highly of Mike Shanahan,Ē Irvin said. ďCheck the tapes, go back as far as you want. But Iím so disappointed in what Iím seeing. This is personal, and I donít care what you say. And thereís no way, no way, you sit your quarterback RGIII in his second season. We all know that Cam Newton went through a second season that wasnít quite what it [could have been], but look at what Camís doing now. It is amazing to me. And hereís something nobody is talking about: This is the third person that Mike Shanahan has had an issue with that was a star player with the Washington Redskins. I understand, coaches come in and they want to grab control, and they usually go after a star player to get control. Donovan, Albert Haynesworth Ė say what you will, say what you will Ė and now RGIII.

ďRGIIIís handling it the best he can,Ē Irvin continued. ďDonovan said something like this was going to go down, so Iím not giving Mike Shanahan a pass when somebody predicted whatís happening right now to this young man. You are TEARING HIM DOWN. I doubt that any man can come back from this, walking around three weeks around these guys that you have to lead. And I donít want to hear about teammates either; we understand as teammates and players, quarterbacks DO get special treatment. You donít see people arguing when Peyton Manning or Tom Brady gets it; I donít want you arguing when this kid gets it. Heís the quarterback, and the rest of us brothers have to understand that and treat him as such. Iíve got an issue with all of it.

Ö You think they could do this to Andrew Luck? Let me ask you that, you think they could do this to Luck?Ē
I actually agree with Mike Irvin and shocker... I agree with Donovan McNabb
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This basically touches on what I was saying and Irving was the one to bring it public.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 15, 2013 6:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

To Irvin's last point- could this happen to Luck? Of course- if Shanny were his coach.

I actually believe it's all going to work out for the best. Here is how:

Snyder fires Shanny and brings in a first rate GM

That GM hires the best up and coming coordinator in the NFL

The pay top dollar for established assistants with no family connections!

KC does a commendable job behind our putrid line and nets us a 2 this year and a 2 next year.

Rg3 takes thus situation and uses like bobby Bouchet did as tackling fuel- but rg3 says to himself he wants to work to be the best and he does
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6-17 w/o the "lightning in the bottle" of the 7-0 win streak last year with RG3 as our Qb

So w/o that Mike Shanahan is 17-37 as our HC! 20 games under 500!

Lmfao!! Laughing loser!
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Doc Draper wrote:
To Irvin's last point- could this happen to Luck? Of course- if Shanny were his coach.

I actually believe it's all going to work out for the best. Here is how:

Snyder fires Shanny and brings in a first rate GM

That GM hires the best up and coming coordinator in the NFL

The pay top dollar for established assistants with no family connections!

KC does a commendable job behind our putrid line and nets us a 2 this year and a 2 next year.

Rg3 takes thus situation and uses like bobby Bouchet did as tackling fuel- but rg3 says to himself he wants to work to be the best and he does
I want to believe that, but I'm skeptical. This is where I do agree with Mknight - if Shanahan is gone, do we really hire a "true GM?" Do we allow the coach to hire his own coordinators , do we allow the coordinators to hire assistants that they work well with?

It remains to be seen. I want to believe that will happen, and it will happen the right way, the way the best organizations do it, the way we did it in the 80s and late 90s when we built out 1999 division winning team, but I'm skeptical.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 15, 2013 7:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I came here to pretty much make a thread like this and am glad one is already made. Mike Shanahan is a lying snake and any Redskin's fans should be ashamed he is even coaching them right now. Only one of the 4 seasons he's been here has he had over 6 wins. SIX WINS! That is absolute trash. He tried to ride the coattails of Griffin's success last year, yet when Griffin started to crash and burn due to injuries tried to say it wasn't his fault and never questioned himself. Well guess what Mike? Who coaches the D and the special teams? Why are both of them garbage as well? I'm guessing Griffin plays in all the formations and both sides of the ball. Shanahan has kept the microscope off his bad coaching and onto Robert for long enough. DC fans should be furious at this guy.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 16, 2013 1:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

PARROTHEAD wrote:
Yall far to deep into drama and gossip.

I think its simple as Shans time has passed him by.
Alot of the things he does. You just cant do it like the old days..

Drafting and pickups being the main thing..
Kyle and he said once. That after the season, they take about a month and review films of prospects the talent scouts put together for them..
As interactive as everything is, they need to be on it year around and seeing first hand what talents offer on the field.

Like that movie moneyball or whatever for baseball. There are new ways of doin things. And I dont think shan is up to par with the way things work anymore. And thats pretty much the only thing I see him guilty of.. The rest is just hearsay and gossip.. And they arnt little girls who have that or push that.. They grown men who dont need it. Just tell it like it is.. If not, hell I might as well find a new team. Last thing I need is a gossip girl team and a bunch of gossip girl fans.


Problem is that the coach cannot evaluate talent year around. He needs to be focused on the team in front of him and leave the evaluation to the GM and scouts.

That's why you need a clear firewall between the talent evaluation side of the house and the coaching side of the house. In the case of this franchise, you need an even bigger and clearer firewall between the ownership and the players.

We haven't had this in nearly 15 years.
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