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PostPosted: Tue Nov 26, 2013 5:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The stats won't tell you the full story when it's cold. Wind, wearing gloves and having cold hands cause a drop off in numbers.

The cold also affects receivers and can impact on them getting open- e.g. slipping on a frozen field/ having less confidence in the surface or having an increased number of drops due to cold hands.

It's no surprise a guy who has been a dome/ warm weather QB since being drafted experiences a drop off in the cold.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 26, 2013 5:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This whole thread seems a little straw-man like to me. I don't think I've often heard it said Brees doesn't play well in the cold. Maybe people mention it but it's hardly entered football mythos or anything. The argument most consistently made is that all QBs who play indoors the majority of the time have an advantage over out-door QBs when comparing statistics. And that's true.

Over Brees' career there's more than an 11 point swing in passer rating from indoors to out. But more telling than that is he has only played two career games in precipitation. Only played 6 games in cold weather.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 26, 2013 5:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

GaTechRavens wrote:
Ketchup wrote:
geuax saints wrote:
Dalton wrote:
GaTechRavens wrote:
For those wanting cold weather info, here's Drew Brees in games under 40 degrees:

2002 at Buffalo (36): 13-24, 148 yds, 0 TD, 0 INT, 72.9 rtg
2002 at Kansas City (30): 26-40, 242 yds, 2 TD, 0 INT, 98.1 rtg
2003 at Pittsburgh (24): 16-26, 198 yds, 1 TD, 2 INT, 65.9 rtg
2004 at Kansas City (34): 28-37, 378 yds, 2 TD, 0 INT, 125.7 rtg
2004 at Cleveland (34): 4-6, 85 yds, 1 TD, 0 INT, 149.3 rtg
2007 at Chicago (26): 35-60, 320 yds, 3 TD, 2 INT, 75.2 rtg
2008 at Kansas City (39): 25-36, 266 yds, 1 TD, 1 INT, 88.4 rtg
2008 at Chicago (24): 24-43, 232 yds, 2 TD, 2 INT, 67.2 rtg
2009 at Washington (34): 35-49, 419 yds, 2 TD, 1 INT, 102.3 rtg
2010 at Cincinnati (32): 24-29, 313 yds, 2 TD, 1 INT, 120.3 rtg
2010 at Baltimore (34): 29-46, 267 yds, 3 TD, 1 INT, 91.5 rtg

Looks pretty good to me.


Look at the games <30 lol.

He doesn't control the weather or the schedule, and as you can see he plays very well in the cold.
Unless it's below 30..
Oh boy, 3 games...


2 of those 3 came from the same team.

One could argue Lovie Smith having his number throughout most of those years he played the Bears. The 2006-2007 NFCCG plus the 2007 and 2008 regular season match-ups. I don't think the Brees-led Saints actually beat the Bears until 2011 or something like that.

But yeah, small sample size.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 26, 2013 6:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rejuvenation wrote:
GaTechRavens wrote:
Ketchup wrote:
geuax saints wrote:
Dalton wrote:
GaTechRavens wrote:
For those wanting cold weather info, here's Drew Brees in games under 40 degrees:

2002 at Buffalo (36): 13-24, 148 yds, 0 TD, 0 INT, 72.9 rtg
2002 at Kansas City (30): 26-40, 242 yds, 2 TD, 0 INT, 98.1 rtg
2003 at Pittsburgh (24): 16-26, 198 yds, 1 TD, 2 INT, 65.9 rtg
2004 at Kansas City (34): 28-37, 378 yds, 2 TD, 0 INT, 125.7 rtg
2004 at Cleveland (34): 4-6, 85 yds, 1 TD, 0 INT, 149.3 rtg
2007 at Chicago (26): 35-60, 320 yds, 3 TD, 2 INT, 75.2 rtg
2008 at Kansas City (39): 25-36, 266 yds, 1 TD, 1 INT, 88.4 rtg
2008 at Chicago (24): 24-43, 232 yds, 2 TD, 2 INT, 67.2 rtg
2009 at Washington (34): 35-49, 419 yds, 2 TD, 1 INT, 102.3 rtg
2010 at Cincinnati (32): 24-29, 313 yds, 2 TD, 1 INT, 120.3 rtg
2010 at Baltimore (34): 29-46, 267 yds, 3 TD, 1 INT, 91.5 rtg

Looks pretty good to me.


Look at the games <30 lol.

He doesn't control the weather or the schedule, and as you can see he plays very well in the cold.
Unless it's below 30..
Oh boy, 3 games...


2 of those 3 came from the same team.

One could argue Lovie Smith having his number throughout most of those years he played the Bears. The 2006-2007 NFCCG plus the 2007 and 2008 regular season match-ups. I don't think the Brees-led Saints actually beat the Bears until 2011 or something like that.

But yeah, small sample size.


It is clear to everyone now that Drew Brees is terrible in <30 degree games. Here's to a cold winter! Laughing
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 26, 2013 6:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

GaTechRavens wrote:
Ketchup wrote:
geuax saints wrote:
Dalton wrote:
GaTechRavens wrote:
For those wanting cold weather info, here's Drew Brees in games under 40 degrees:

2002 at Buffalo (36): 13-24, 148 yds, 0 TD, 0 INT, 72.9 rtg
2002 at Kansas City (30): 26-40, 242 yds, 2 TD, 0 INT, 98.1 rtg
2003 at Pittsburgh (24): 16-26, 198 yds, 1 TD, 2 INT, 65.9 rtg
2004 at Kansas City (34): 28-37, 378 yds, 2 TD, 0 INT, 125.7 rtg
2004 at Cleveland (34): 4-6, 85 yds, 1 TD, 0 INT, 149.3 rtg
2007 at Chicago (26): 35-60, 320 yds, 3 TD, 2 INT, 75.2 rtg
2008 at Kansas City (39): 25-36, 266 yds, 1 TD, 1 INT, 88.4 rtg
2008 at Chicago (24): 24-43, 232 yds, 2 TD, 2 INT, 67.2 rtg
2009 at Washington (34): 35-49, 419 yds, 2 TD, 1 INT, 102.3 rtg
2010 at Cincinnati (32): 24-29, 313 yds, 2 TD, 1 INT, 120.3 rtg
2010 at Baltimore (34): 29-46, 267 yds, 3 TD, 1 INT, 91.5 rtg

Looks pretty good to me.


Look at the games <30 lol.

He doesn't control the weather or the schedule, and as you can see he plays very well in the cold.
Unless it's below 30..
Oh boy, 3 games...
The sample size is a bit small I admit lol. Anybody who would come to the conclusion that Brees is bad in cold weather using just those 3 games would be silly.

Overall, he's up and down in games under 40. He's had some duds but he's also had some typical Brees games. No solid conclusion can be made simply because the sample size is to small but it's clear he doesn't always struggle in colder weather like some suggest or his rep suggests.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 27, 2013 4:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Probably makes a difference in who he is playing outdoors as well. At NE is much tougher than at Cleveland. Gotta factor in the quality of the opposition. Given this week it is playing Seattle...that may matter more than the weather. Though both will be factors, which one is moreso is harder to tease out.


Yeah that goes both ways plus the fact that when he is outdoors he is also playing away. So in theory his QBR should be worst than another elite QB that plays outdoors at their home field.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 27, 2013 6:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You guys realize Brees played at Purdue..
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 27, 2013 10:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

JMG wrote:
You guys realize Brees played at Purdue..

where is purdue?
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 27, 2013 10:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

geuax saints wrote:
JMG wrote:
You guys realize Brees played at Purdue..

where is purdue?


Lafayette, Indiana
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 27, 2013 10:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

navysaintsfan wrote:
geuax saints wrote:
JMG wrote:
You guys realize Brees played at Purdue..

where is purdue?


Lafayette, Indiana

Thanks!

Can anybody go look up the splits from his college career in Purdue?
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 27, 2013 10:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

geuax saints wrote:
navysaintsfan wrote:
geuax saints wrote:
JMG wrote:
You guys realize Brees played at Purdue..

where is purdue?


Lafayette, Indiana

Thanks!

Can anybody go look up the splits from his college career in Purdue?


While I would say he is no stranger to cold, there is a big difference playing in cold weather games in college vs. against NFL defenses.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 27, 2013 10:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

navysaintsfan wrote:
geuax saints wrote:
navysaintsfan wrote:
geuax saints wrote:
JMG wrote:
You guys realize Brees played at Purdue..

where is purdue?


Lafayette, Indiana

Thanks!

Can anybody go look up the splits from his college career in Purdue?


While I would say he is no stranger to cold, there is a big difference playing in cold weather games in college vs. against NFL defenses.


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 27, 2013 12:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is it any surprise that a QB that is use to playing in warm weather may not play as well in a completely new environment? I don't see you can use this to determine who is or isn't better than someone else...and isn't that the intended purpose of this thread?>
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 27, 2013 1:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Brees doesn't just morph into a bad qb in cold weather or outside in general but he certainly benefits like any QB would by getting to play many games indoors.
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Stevein2012 wrote:
Brees doesn't just morph into a bad qb in cold weather or outside in general but he certainly benefits like any QB would by getting to play many games indoors.


Brees played college at Purdue. The difference between Brady and Brees is that Brady is USE to playing in the cold because that is what he has done for the past 10 years. Brees...is not. But there is little doubt in my mind that he would adapt if given the chance.
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