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fishfan4life


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 12, 2013 7:00 pm    Post subject: 4-3 or 3-4? Reply with quote

Is the personal we have better suited for a 3-4 as opposed to 4-3? Starks, Soliai and Odrick have shown already that they can be very productive in the 3-4.

Vernon. he seems more of a blown up linebacker to me who would be better as a 3-4 OLB maybe I am wrong. He is getting mauled in the running game at DE.

Wake. Has proven he is excellent at both yes he is probably a touch better at DE but still very good at OLB in the 34. Plus its getting to that point where he isn't going to be around forever and maybe Jordan and Vernon are better at 34.

Jordan. because of his athletic ability and he was very good in coverage at Oregon and his inability to set the edge at 43 is his true position 34 OLB?? would we maximize is true ability at there

Ellerbe. is he struggling because he came from a 34 and playing the middle in a 43 is not what suits him?

Misi. To me is the same type player regardless of 34 or 43.

Wheeler. I could careless if this would affect him or not he sucks in my opinion.

Are we struggling because of the personal is in the wrong place? would a switch be just to much again and maybe not productive of the future because of Starks and Soliai contract and age?

We all thought this defense would be dominate and its not we have given up 6 100 yard rushers and over a 4 yard carry that's not us.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 12, 2013 7:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This x10000
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 12, 2013 9:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Easily a better 3-4 team....we are just missing one inside Linebacker

-----------Starks------Soliai------Odrick

Wake--------Ellerbe------Who knows--------Jordan/Vernon
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 13, 2013 12:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd rather see us as a 5-2 defense

Wake----Starks----Soliai----Odrick----Jordan
Wheeler------------Ellerbe
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 13, 2013 11:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

RealMetalFan wrote:
I'd rather see us as a 5-2 defense

Wake----Starks----Soliai----Odrick----Jordan
Wheeler------------Ellerbe


That'd be really cool, but I have concerns about Jordan holding up at the edge on run plays.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 13, 2013 10:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

RealMetalFan wrote:
I'd rather see us as a 5-2 defense

Wake----Starks----Soliai----Odrick----Jordan
Wheeler------------Ellerbe


I was unaware this could still work. I'd be down though..
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 14, 2013 12:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have openly campaigned for the Fins to transition back to the 4-3 but they do not have the personnel to run the 4-3 right now. Dion Jordan is a 3-4 strong side LB that drops in coverage. Vernon is something I dont know. I just wish the man would change his number.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 14, 2013 4:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ovaw8lover wrote:
I have openly campaigned for the Fins to transition back to the 4-3 but they do not have the personnel to run the 4-3 right now. Dion Jordan is a 3-4 strong side LB that drops in coverage. Vernon is something I dont know. I just wish the man would change his number.
LOL I don't know if its his size or the number 50 myself but he looks like a blown up linebacker playing DE. As for Jordan Lets trade away picks and move up to number 3 overall to draft a guy and play him at a position that isn't his strength just makes my head hurt. His ability to cover in space and mix in with blitzes from different areas would be his best chance to be something. I think Jordan and Vernon are clearly 34 OLB Vernon is getting killed in the run game. I am not sure if Ellerbe is struggling because he came from a 34 and 43 middle linebacker isn't for him IDK
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Manic


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PostPosted: Thu Nov 14, 2013 5:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

yeah i was all for going back to the 4-3 cus we didnt have the outside linebackers for it. So we switch back and end drafting the OLBers we needed for the 3-4.

Id really like an update on our 2 CBs we drafted, I mean are they so bad they cant even get on the field? I see Nolan and Jimmy alot, but have yet to see anything from those 2 rookies. The our Oline is so horrible, id say worst in the league and Thomas cant even get snaps. Are we just protecting these guys and slowly bringing em up, or are they just that bad that cant even warrant some in game experience?


Gotta say our draft class isnt looking good
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 14, 2013 6:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ovaw8lover wrote:
I have openly campaigned for the Fins to transition back to the 4-3 but they do not have the personnel to run the 4-3 right now. Dion Jordan is a 3-4 strong side LB that drops in coverage. Vernon is something I dont know. I just wish the man would change his number.


I don't disagree with your assessment on Jordan. Every week I become more baffled on why we traded up for this guy. I'm hoping that it's just a case of him not really getting enough opportunity, but regardless I would say that Ireland should be released based on this draft move alone it looks so bad right now.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 14, 2013 7:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

We have better personnel for the 3-4.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 15, 2013 4:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 15, 2013 4:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

3-4 or 4-3 I think is our problem, while other teams are putting 11 players on field we seem content with 7.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 15, 2013 4:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maddogg wrote:
3-4 or 4-3 I think is our problem, while other teams are putting 11 players on field we seem content with 7.


With how Wheeler, Misi and Jones are playing we almost are....
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