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PostPosted: Tue Oct 29, 2013 2:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Real like your 2nd and 3rd round pick. Can't really say anything about the others. Only pick I disagree with is your first rounder. You had this amazing wirte up about our defense and the whole 46 scheme and if I'm not mistaking, Sam would play the WLB position right? But we already have Galette here and Butler will be fully healthy next year as well. IMO we should look for a big physical corner here!


I think we will play a base 3-4 with 46 principles sprinkled in. Similar to what we did our first year with GW playing 4-3 with 46 principles. We still need another edge rusher to go with Gallette and we don't know that we can bank on Butler coming back 100% or even being worth what we signed him for.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 29, 2013 5:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Only pick I disagree with is your first rounder. You had this amazing wirte up about our defense and the whole 46 scheme and if I'm not mistaking, Sam would play the WLB position right? But we already have Galette here and Butler will be fully healthy next year as well.


The 46 write up was explaining about how the 46 could and to a point already actually is the BASE scheme of our defense. But the article also stressed how Ryan as a coach in general is a schemer by nature. His ability to be versatile with his packages is a major part of who he is as a coach.

The selection of Sam affords the Saints a few things...

Depth at the OLB position, Galette is a beast but Haralson may or may not be back next year and Butler is coming off a season ending knee injury and has never played a regular season snap for the Saints much less been a starter in the NFL. Sam is a dynamic and explosive pass rusher off the edge and would see the field a lot in Ryan's defense regardless if he is a starter or pass rushing specialist. You can NEVER have enough pass rushers and while Ryan will always use base 46 concepts, he will continue to evolve his 34 package and Sam could be a major part of that and while I agree a corner is a need, I found none of better value than Sam at the Saints pick in my mock.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 05, 2013 7:36 am    Post subject: Re: Worm's updated mock: Post Big Apple Letdown!!! Reply with quote

UPDATED: Post Big Apple Letdown!!!
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 05, 2013 11:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Now this is what I'm talking about.. Love the OL picks. Idk about a RB this year, though. The one game I did watch Hyde run he dominated Northwestern's defense. So, I do like him as a prospect. He seems like a guy that would benefit from a bulk of carries though. I don't know much about the defensive guys yet but the positions are spot on. Nice draft!
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 05, 2013 4:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

FLOODx wrote:
Now this is what I'm talking about.. Love the OL picks. Idk about a RB this year, though. The one game I did watch Hyde run he dominated Northwestern's defense. So, I do like him as a prospect. He seems like a guy that would benefit from a bulk of carries though. I don't know much about the defensive guys yet but the positions are spot on. Nice draft!


Second this! Never cease to impress me, Worm! The Saints should stay away from RBs that look like they'll need bulk carries IMO. Great mock man.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 07, 2013 1:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Haha Worm, great minds think alike! I actually really like Brandon Scherff. I think he has LT capabilities. I actually don't think he'll go in the top-2 rounds. I can count ~5-6 OT prospects that should be taken ahead of him, meaning I'm pretty sure he'll be there in round 3 for us. Still like him as a pick!

Apart from that, I don't think we'll be investing in a highly rated G. Our philosophy regarding OGs is actually a good one. Take a mean OT in college, and shift him inside. Nicks and Evans were like that. IIRC, Nesbit was too.

I personally would've preferred us taking an OLB with more potential impact earlier. I think if you add another potential impact OLB to this group, you'll have a D that can cause havoc all over. The pass rush will be much more disruptive, and it should help a secondary that may lose a few bodies.

Speaking of secondaries, we're facing a situation where our secondary could lose both Jenkins and/or Harper. While Kenny, IAQ and Bush have shown fairly decent ability, we'd be smart to draft some depth in that area. Add in Greer slowing down, Robinson tearing his Achilles (I think?), we could see a more defensive back focused draft.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 07, 2013 6:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Haha Worm, great minds think alike! I actually really like Brandon Scherff. I think he has LT capabilities. I actually don't think he'll go in the top-2 rounds. I can count ~5-6 OT prospects that should be taken ahead of him, meaning I'm pretty sure he'll be there in round 3 for us. Still like him as a pick!

Apart from that, I don't think we'll be investing in a highly rated G. Our philosophy regarding OGs is actually a good one. Take a mean OT in college, and shift him inside. Nicks and Evans were like that. IIRC, Nesbit was too.

I personally would've preferred us taking an OLB with more potential impact earlier. I think if you add another potential impact OLB to this group, you'll have a D that can cause havoc all over. The pass rush will be much more disruptive, and it should help a secondary that may lose a few bodies.

Speaking of secondaries, we're facing a situation where our secondary could lose both Jenkins and/or Harper. While Kenny, IAQ and Bush have shown fairly decent ability, we'd be smart to draft some depth in that area. Add in Greer slowing down, Robinson tearing his Achilles (I think?), we could see a more defensive back focused draft.


True to all but I think Scheriff is rising...As of now I have him as a mid 2nd rounder with the potential to move up.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 15, 2013 6:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 16, 2013 1:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Once again.. Don't know much about the players yet, but like the positions. Hope we go OL a little earlier though.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 16, 2013 9:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Agree with the positions picked - another all defensive draft will definitely us up for a few years hopefully.

What are this year's kicker prospects like? Another season where Hartley has been very inconsistent and it's only a matter of time before it costs us
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 16, 2013 8:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I actually don't like this mock Worm. I preferred your last one. I'm not a huge fan of Murphy. He's decent, but I envision making this front seven into something dominant. I prefer a better OLB opposite Junior.

I actually disagree with wanting a SS. I think the way Kenny has been used this season, he's a lock to stay as our SS going forward. He'll play the Kam Chancellor role. We just need to find him his Earl Thomas.

SJB is an intriguing prospect, but I think there might be better options who are more polished available. Don't mind him though.

Raciti is a good prospect, but with Foster and Walker both looking good, and Jordan and Hicks ahead of them, I think we need to invest picks elsewhere no?

Lastly, no WRs? Adding another one might not be a bad call. Toon and Moore have not impressed this season. I still think we need one more.

Still a pretty good mock, I just preferred your last one more.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 17, 2013 4:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Canadian Saint wrote:
I actually don't like this mock Worm. I preferred your last one. I'm not a huge fan of Murphy. He's decent, but I envision making this front seven into something dominant. I prefer a better OLB opposite Junior.

I actually disagree with wanting a SS. I think the way Kenny has been used this season, he's a lock to stay as our SS going forward. He'll play the Kam Chancellor role. We just need to find him his Earl Thomas.

SJB is an intriguing prospect, but I think there might be better options who are more polished available. Don't mind him though.

Raciti is a good prospect, but with Foster and Walker both looking good, and Jordan and Hicks ahead of them, I think we need to invest picks elsewhere no?

Lastly, no WRs? Adding another one might not be a bad call. Toon and Moore have not impressed this season. I still think we need one more.

Still a pretty good mock, I just preferred your last one more.


I understand your views and agree somewhat on most of what you said. I personally am a lot higher on Murphy than most. While I don't see him as a dominate player on the next level, I do see him as a blue collar lunch pale tough guy with great versatility and technique that would be a solid two way defender for us.

I do disagree with you however with your assessment of Kenny Vaccaro though... I personally see him as our version of Earl Thomas. Yes Vaccaro has not displayed the ball skills of Thomas yet but he's very much in the versatile mold that Thomas is. Funny though, I see Pryor as a similar prospect to John CYprien of FIU who I was extremely high on last year and was drafted in the 2nd round by Jacksonville.

As far as the D-Line... we have a good set of pass rushers but I find Walker, Foster and Johnson lack the ideal bulk vs the run in this scheme and feel replacing Johnson with a more stout run defender like Raciti would improve the overall defense.

At WR... I'm still a believer in Nick Toon and I'm not writing off Joe Morgan just yet.

SJB is a classic boom or bust pick... much like Jimmy Graham, he possesses all the skills to dominate at his position if he develops but if he doesn't he'll be out the league in 3 years.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 17, 2013 9:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

After the last couple of weeks, I kind of want to invest in a specialty KR/PR. Laughing

These given away points are making games way too close for my blood.
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After the last couple of weeks, I kind of want to invest in a specialty KR/PR. Laughing

These given away points are making games way too close for my blood.


With Greer likely out for the season, we will get a very good look see at whether or not we will have to draft a starting corner this year or if Corey White is ready to be the guy.

So far I love what I see from White, today he looked great! Yes he made a mistake with the fumble for a touchback but he contested every ball thrown his way, even the TD to Bouldin.

Even if White proves to be the guy, I think a corner could still be the pick. In this mock I really struggled with the top pick between Murphy and OSU corner Justin Gilbert. Honestly, the way Haralson played today I'm thinking corner might be the pick anyway.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 17, 2013 10:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Personally for me, I think we should get a FS and a CB with our 1st two picks.

Heck I'd even trade down with our 1st to get extra picks. For example, trade the 1st for a 2nd and a 4th.

2nd a.) CB Marcus Roberson
2nd b.) FS Ed Reynolds
3rd) OLB Michael Sam

With our 1st 3 picks do that. Then with our 2 4ths, draft the best OT (Seantrel Henderson maybe?) and best KR/PR(no idea who).

It sucks because it leaves our WR need still a need, but I guess we'll have to pull another Kenny Stills out of the hat Very Happy
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