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PostPosted: Thu Oct 24, 2013 4:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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What kind of progression would everyone like to see from Kap for the remainder of the year to determine that's he's moving in the right direction?


The read progression is probably the big one; he has to be able to see the entire field. If you have 4 receiving options on a given play, you have to go through all 4 of them. Secondary, and sort of tied into the first, is I'd like to see him throw to the backs and short receivers a little more. It's okay if your first two options are covered to take that little swing pass out of the backfield. He's like the exact opposite of Smith; he just wants to chuck that ball 15 yards down the field every throw. Sometimes, it's okay to take that little 5 yarder to the back if that is what the defense is giving you.


I know there are no excuses but I want to say that a healthy mario and crabs will help him go through his reads. Boldin and VD are the only two Kaep seems to trust add Bruce miller into his conversion too(Can't believe I just said this). So I hope that once he gets those two back, he can slow things down and go through each read because we've seen him do it before he just needs to to it more consistently.


Not so sure about this. Has he gone to a secondary receiver on occasion? Sure. But he's always tended to look for a guy in the mid or long range, and hold the ball till a guy comes open rather than take the simple check down. Not surprsing - he's barely played more games than a rookie. So I expect this part of his game to develop and get better in the next season or two or three. Steve Young always says it takes 3 or 4 years of playing for a QB to really develop that feel that let's him know almost automatically which receiver to go to, and who to look for if the first option is well covered.

Where I'd really like to see him improve is in his pre-snap reads so that he knows which receiver is likely to be open. For example if he sees an outside blitz coming and knows a short pass on that side will be wide open he needs to take that gimme rather than look for a guy deep and let that blitzer break up the play because he took so long to get rid of it. Manning and Brady are masters at that, but even younger QBs like Luck and Wilson take better advantage of the defense than we do - it seems yo me at least.


Yes, I would hope that going through his reads and pre snap will get better as he continues to plays. We have to remind ourselves that he recently just played his 16th regular season games.


This is something I think we took greatly for granted with Smith. Kaepernick is not great pre snap at all. Getting better, but definitely not very good yet. In regards to his reads, he obviously has a tendency to lock on specific people each game; he did the same thing last year, though that's not unusual for a young quarterback. Does anyone remember how Drew Bledsoe somehow made Ben Coates not only a viable NFL tight end, but when of the best receiving tight ends period, when he was younger? It'll be interesting to see how he does when we have the full compliment of weapons at his arsenal. If he's still locking into a single guy for games at a time, and only looking the way of Davis and Manningham once or twice a game, we may have a problem. But that's a long way away, and I look forward to seeing how he responds.

He's growing, and to be honest, I'm glad he's going through his growing pains now before we gave him the uber large contract extension. I still think that he'll eventually get it, but when you're shelling out that type of money, you want to make sure that you're getting a franchise quarterback and not necessarily that Jay Cutler type. Cutler is a very good quarterback, but I consider him just shy of a franchise quarterback, someone who's better than just 60% of the league, but never going to get into the top 15%, but nonetheless gets paid like it for lack of a better option.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 24, 2013 5:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Forge wrote:
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big9erfan wrote:
NcFinest9erFan wrote:
Forge wrote:
9erNation2013 wrote:
What kind of progression would everyone like to see from Kap for the remainder of the year to determine that's he's moving in the right direction?


The read progression is probably the big one; he has to be able to see the entire field. If you have 4 receiving options on a given play, you have to go through all 4 of them. Secondary, and sort of tied into the first, is I'd like to see him throw to the backs and short receivers a little more. It's okay if your first two options are covered to take that little swing pass out of the backfield. He's like the exact opposite of Smith; he just wants to chuck that ball 15 yards down the field every throw. Sometimes, it's okay to take that little 5 yarder to the back if that is what the defense is giving you.


I know there are no excuses but I want to say that a healthy mario and crabs will help him go through his reads. Boldin and VD are the only two Kaep seems to trust add Bruce miller into his conversion too(Can't believe I just said this). So I hope that once he gets those two back, he can slow things down and go through each read because we've seen him do it before he just needs to to it more consistently.


Not so sure about this. Has he gone to a secondary receiver on occasion? Sure. But he's always tended to look for a guy in the mid or long range, and hold the ball till a guy comes open rather than take the simple check down. Not surprsing - he's barely played more games than a rookie. So I expect this part of his game to develop and get better in the next season or two or three. Steve Young always says it takes 3 or 4 years of playing for a QB to really develop that feel that let's him know almost automatically which receiver to go to, and who to look for if the first option is well covered.

Where I'd really like to see him improve is in his pre-snap reads so that he knows which receiver is likely to be open. For example if he sees an outside blitz coming and knows a short pass on that side will be wide open he needs to take that gimme rather than look for a guy deep and let that blitzer break up the play because he took so long to get rid of it. Manning and Brady are masters at that, but even younger QBs like Luck and Wilson take better advantage of the defense than we do - it seems yo me at least.


Yes, I would hope that going through his reads and pre snap will get better as he continues to plays. We have to remind ourselves that he recently just played his 16th regular season games.


This is something I think we took greatly for granted with Smith. Kaepernick is not great pre snap at all. Getting better, but definitely not very good yet. In regards to his reads, he obviously has a tendency to lock on specific people each game; he did the same thing last year, though that's not unusual for a young quarterback. Does anyone remember how Drew Bledsoe somehow made Ben Coates not only a viable NFL tight end, but when of the best receiving tight ends period, when he was younger? It'll be interesting to see how he does when we have the full compliment of weapons at his arsenal. If he's still locking into a single guy for games at a time, and only looking the way of Davis and Manningham once or twice a game, we may have a problem. But that's a long way away, and I look forward to seeing how he responds.

He's growing, and to be honest, I'm glad he's going through his growing pains now before we gave him the uber large contract extension. I still think that he'll eventually get it, but when you're shelling out that type of money, you want to make sure that you're getting a franchise quarterback and not necessarily that Jay Cutler type. Cutler is a very good quarterback, but I consider him just shy of a franchise quarterback, someone who's better than just 60% of the league, but never going to get into the top 15%, but nonetheless gets paid like it for lack of a better option.



I think Kap's heading towards a bridge contract. If he signed a long deal after this season, he could hardly justify getting more than 10-12 million a year. So I bet he'll sign a two year deal, at a lower salary, so he can break the bank later on a long-term big money deal. By that time, a franchise QB will probably fetch around 25 million per season.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 28, 2013 7:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I know it was the Jag, but thought on how Kap played yesterday? I'm seeing more confidence which to me will only improve. Carolina should be a great test for him.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 28, 2013 7:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

9erNation2013 wrote:
I know it was the Jag, but thought on how Kap played yesterday? I'm seeing more confidence which to me will only improve. Carolina should be a great test for him.


I thought he did great from what I saw. He ran the read option with an intent to make plays. He only completed 10/16 passes but I liked what I saw even though he started out the game 1/4. Getting Mario and Crabs back should help him.

I can't wait for week ten's matchup against Carolina. Both teams are playing at a high level and on a winning streaks.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 28, 2013 11:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I personally feel his change in confidence started in the Texans game, but really took off the last two games since he has been using his legs much more. Kaepernick pretty much has been flawless as of late and he is definitely an ascending player as Harbaugh would say Laughing .

Week 10 is going to be a great test though. Kaepernick will likely have to win the game with his arm. The Panthers front 7 is awesome, and the secondary is playing well too.
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9erNation2013 wrote:
I know it was the Jag, but thought on how Kap played yesterday? I'm seeing more confidence which to me will only improve. Carolina should be a great test for him.


Had me worried, but he has eased those worries lately. Keep it up, Kaep!
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9erNation2013 wrote:
I know it was the Jag, but thought on how Kap played yesterday? I'm seeing more confidence which to me will only improve. Carolina should be a great test for him.


Had me worried, but he has eased those worries lately. Keep it up, Kaep!
heck he's vot twice as many starts now as he had at the beginning of the year. I'm expecting still more improvement by the end ofthe year.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 29, 2013 8:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I know it was the Jag, but thought on how Kap played yesterday? I'm seeing more confidence which to me will only improve. Carolina should be a great test for him.


Had me worried, but he has eased those worries lately. Keep it up, Kaep!
heck he's vot twice as many starts now as he had at the beginning of the year. I'm expecting still more improvement by the end ofthe year.
How profound Laughing I'm assuming you meant last year?
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steadypimpin wrote:
big9erfan wrote:
oldman9er wrote:
9erNation2013 wrote:
I know it was the Jag, but thought on how Kap played yesterday? I'm seeing more confidence which to me will only improve. Carolina should be a great test for him.


Had me worried, but he has eased those worries lately. Keep it up, Kaep!
heck he's vot twice as many starts now as he had at the beginning of the year. I'm expecting still more improvement by the end ofthe year.
How profound Laughing I'm assuming you meant last year?



I think he meant what he meant. At the beginning of this year, he had something like 8 regular season starts? Now he has something like 16? So yeah, exactly what he said.
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He said Kap has as many starts as he did at the beginning of the year.
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He said Kap has as many starts as he did at the beginning of the year.



"He's got twice as many starts now as he had at the beginning of the year."

Beginning of the year: 8 starts (last year he did have 8 regular season starts).
Now: 16 starts.

Twice as many.
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rudyZ wrote:
steadypimpin wrote:
big9erfan wrote:
oldman9er wrote:
9erNation2013 wrote:
I know it was the Jag, but thought on how Kap played yesterday? I'm seeing more confidence which to me will only improve. Carolina should be a great test for him.


Had me worried, but he has eased those worries lately. Keep it up, Kaep!
heck he's vot twice as many starts now as he had at the beginning of the year. I'm expecting still more improvement by the end ofthe year.
How profound Laughing I'm assuming you meant last year?



I think he meant what he meant. At the beginning of this year, he had something like 8 regular season starts? Now he has something like 16? So yeah, exactly what he said.


Yep. That's exactly what I meant. Twice as many starts , 16, as he had com8ng into the start of the season, only 8. And he'll have another 8 by the time the plahoffs come around.
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Watching highlights of the Pats game and hope Kap looks to Brady for tips while in the pocket. Multiple times yesterday he was looking at his primary receiver then switch to his 3rd and possibly 4th before throwing the ball. Reminded me just like what Montana used to do.
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Just curious,, do you guys think Kaep has gotten any better this season?

Or is he still the same as he was a year ago?
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AndyLeesAunt wrote:
Just curious,, do you guys think Kaep has gotten any better this season?

Or is he still the same as he was a year ago?


I wish he was the same... that would mean he is doing well. Seems to me, defenses are now containing his runs well... and he has regressed on pocket presence, read progressions, and overall decision-making.

I will continue to hope for quick improvement... but I am leaning back to my previous 1-2 record concern for him.
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