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PostPosted: Thu Oct 24, 2013 11:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Klomp wrote:
http://www.startribune.com/sports/vikings/229191461.html


Oh boy....I still dont believe him. I coach 7-8 grade football right now and I run the offense. My play sheet consists of 40 different run plays and 4 pass plays (simply because our QB isnt very good and you dont throw much at that level). Is it bad that I have more run plays on my play sheet than Bill Musgrave does and I'm coaching 7th/8th graders?

Maybe thats why he throws on a 2nd and 2 and 3rd and 2. I guess he cant find a good run play for AP Laughing

God he's just horrid!
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 25, 2013 1:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There are only a handful of run plays most NFL teams run. They are just run out of different looks and formations.

If you have 40 unique run plays I would be insanely impressed.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 25, 2013 1:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

rpmwr19 wrote:
There are only a handful of run plays most NFL teams run. They are just run out of different looks and formations.

If you have 40 unique run plays I would be insanely impressed.


I'd be more impressed with the kids. That seems like a large playbook at that level. Then again, what do I know, I never played football.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 25, 2013 1:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

As sad as it is, 80% on the running game can be broken up into five plays.

Inside Zone (tight zone)
Outside Zone (Stretch)
Power
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 25, 2013 5:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

We have the 5th fewest runs of RB's in the league with 117. As a comparison, Buffalo is at the top with 198 carries by RBs. That's 170% more.

That's just bad.

And it's not all because of game situations, as I have shown in multiple game threads. We abandon the run even when the game is still easily within reach. Now, if we would have a stellar passing attack, I wouldn't care, but our passing is even worse than our running.

And how about those screen passes to Adrian? Every single time we do it something good happens, but we rarely if ever do it. Adrian is best at breaking tackles in the league...so the best is to put him in space.

Also, we are dead last in TOP in the league. That's not a signature for a run-first team.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 25, 2013 11:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

swiss_vike wrote:
We have the 5th fewest runs of RB's in the league with 117. As a comparison, Buffalo is at the top with 198 carries by RBs. That's 170% more.

That's just bad.

And it's not all because of game situations, as I have shown in multiple game threads. We abandon the run even when the game is still easily within reach. Now, if we would have a stellar passing attack, I wouldn't care, but our passing is even worse than our running.

And how about those screen passes to Adrian? Every single time we do it something good happens, but we rarely if ever do it. Adrian is best at breaking tackles in the league...so the best is to put him in space.

Also, we are dead last in TOP in the league. That's not a signature for a run-first team.


Does this factor in the fact taht the Vikings had an early bye week and a lot of teams havent yet?
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 25, 2013 12:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

rpmwr19 wrote:
There are only a handful of run plays most NFL teams run. They are just run out of different looks and formations.

If you have 40 unique run plays I would be insanely impressed.


Well yeah we run our offense out of the Wing-T because that's what the varsity runs and the coach wants us to drill it into the heads of the little guys. Out of a Wing-T offense you can run from just about everywhere and have all kinds of wrinkles. At this level it is a very difficult offense to stop, especially when we have stud RBs. This offense essentially has 3 RBs. The tail, wing and full.

If I was coaching at a higher level I would never run it though. It's definitely not my top choice but it definitely works well at this level
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 25, 2013 12:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I remember running the wing-t when I was younger. Good times.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 25, 2013 2:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

rpmwr19 wrote:
I remember running the wing-t when I was younger. Good times.


We have a team in our league that runs a Wing-t.... I hate playing against them, because they NEVER pass. And as a FS I like to intercept a ball from time to time.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 25, 2013 11:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

GermanVike wrote:
rpmwr19 wrote:
I remember running the wing-t when I was younger. Good times.


We have a team in our league that runs a Wing-t.... I hate playing against them, because they NEVER pass. And as a FS I like to intercept a ball from time to time.


Yeah I only have 4 pass plays. However it's a very tough offense to defend at that age
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 31, 2013 12:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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117 wide receivers have seen more offensive snaps than Cordarrelle Patterson including UDFAs Darius Johnson & Myles White


Certainly our TOS plays a part but it's still inexcusable to me.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 31, 2013 4:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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117 wide receivers have seen more offensive snaps than Cordarrelle Patterson including UDFAs Darius Johnson & Myles White


Certainly our TOS plays a part but it's still inexcusable to me.


That's real bad. It's 3.6 per team, meaning he's getting less snaps than most #3 recievers and quite a few #4 recievers.

He has 20 targets (3 per game), 13 receptions (2 per game) with a 10.2 average.

Our other recievers:
Wright: 16 / 8 / 10.6 (many more snaps, but less targets)
Simpson: 51 / 27 / 15.6
Jennings: 46 / 25 / 13.4
Webb: 8 / 3 / 8.0

So Patterson is very likely to get the ball when he's on the field, defenses know this. Also, he gets the ball behind the LOS on most catches. Given these 2 factors, he's a very respectable 10.2 per catch. This guy is just a flat out play maker. It's a shame that no coach on this team recognizes this.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 31, 2013 9:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shouldnt be that surprising...

Once Patterson is on the field, there is a high probability he gets the ball, defense adjusts pre-snap and reduce his effectiveness, which in turn reduce his snaps even more.

You gotta play him snaps, but the coach staff think otherwise.
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