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PostPosted: Sat Sep 14, 2013 1:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm not banking on Armstead progressing, he certainly might but we can't put all our eggs in one basket. Armstead is super raw and Strief sucks. We desperately need a good OT.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 14, 2013 1:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Harper41 wrote:
I'm not banking on Armstead progressing, he certainly might but we can't put all our eggs in one basket. Armstead is super raw and Strief sucks. We desperately need a good OT.


By drafting a raw player, specifically to develop, giving up on them the year after drafting them is a little premature. I'm not saying to just disregard the position, but unless the person you planned to develop showed little to no real promise, you don't draft that position, at least not early, immediately afterwards. I would be more prone to picking up a solid vet for a year or two.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 14, 2013 1:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Raves wrote:
Harper41 wrote:
I'm not banking on Armstead progressing, he certainly might but we can't put all our eggs in one basket. Armstead is super raw and Strief sucks. We desperately need a good OT.


By drafting a raw player, specifically to develop, giving up on them the year after drafting them is a little premature. I'm not saying to just disregard the position, but unless the person you planned to develop showed little to no real promise, you don't draft that position, at least not early, immediately afterwards. I would be more prone to picking up a solid vet for a year or two.

That is a silly way to build a team. The Saints shouldn't bank on a raw 3rd round pick developing as their LT of the future. If theirs a legit LT prospect staring us in the face in the 1st round, we take him. Regardless of Armstead being on the roster or not.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 14, 2013 1:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Harper41 wrote:
I'm not banking on Armstead progressing, he certainly might but we can't put all our eggs in one basket. Armstead is super raw and Strief sucks. We desperately need a good OT.


By drafting a raw player, specifically to develop, giving up on them the year after drafting them is a little premature. I'm not saying to just disregard the position, but unless the person you planned to develop showed little to no real promise, you don't draft that position, at least not early, immediately afterwards. I would be more prone to picking up a solid vet for a year or two.

That is a silly way to build a team. The Saints shouldn't bank on a raw 3rd round pick developing as their LT of the future. If theirs a legit LT prospect staring us in the face in the 1st round, we take him. Regardless of Armstead being on the roster or not.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 14, 2013 1:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Raves wrote:
Harper41 wrote:
I'm not banking on Armstead progressing, he certainly might but we can't put all our eggs in one basket. Armstead is super raw and Strief sucks. We desperately need a good OT.


By drafting a raw player, specifically to develop, giving up on them the year after drafting them is a little premature. I'm not saying to just disregard the position, but unless the person you planned to develop showed little to no real promise, you don't draft that position, at least not early, immediately afterwards. I would be more prone to picking up a solid vet for a year or two.

That is a silly way to build a team. The Saints shouldn't bank on a raw 3rd round pick developing as their LT of the future. If theirs a legit LT prospect staring us in the face in the 1st round, we take him. Regardless of Armstead being on the roster or not.


Which legit 1st round LT do you think will fall to us that we should draft?
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 14, 2013 3:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Trade up for Ja'Daveon. Laughing Laughing Laughing


If not for the transition to the 3-4 I would actually say yes we should do that. I just don't know how he would fit as a 3-4 OLB.

The only 2 players from this year's Ohio State team that I would consider for the team are CB Bradley Roby and LB Ryan Shazier. I think Shazier could definitely be that elite OLB much like Clay Matthews, just does a great job getting to the QB, laying hard hits, chasing down running plays, and even able to drop back in coverage.


I actually think Clowney may play DE in a 3-4. Also, I really like Shazier as well, just like Van Noy better.


Did you mean OLB?

I don't know about a 250lb 3-4 DE. Confused


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gC44nP7ClxM

No i think he would be just fine.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 14, 2013 3:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

SaintsBeast wrote:
domepatrol91 wrote:
Spartica4Real wrote:
Raves wrote:
SaintsBeast wrote:
Trade up for Ja'Daveon. Laughing Laughing Laughing


If not for the transition to the 3-4 I would actually say yes we should do that. I just don't know how he would fit as a 3-4 OLB.

The only 2 players from this year's Ohio State team that I would consider for the team are CB Bradley Roby and LB Ryan Shazier. I think Shazier could definitely be that elite OLB much like Clay Matthews, just does a great job getting to the QB, laying hard hits, chasing down running plays, and even able to drop back in coverage.


I actually think Clowney may play DE in a 3-4. Also, I really like Shazier as well, just like Van Noy better.


Did you mean OLB?

I don't know about a 250lb 3-4 DE. Confused


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gC44nP7ClxM

No i think he would be just fine.


It makes no sense to use that clip as evidence that he could be a 3-4 DE. Confused

I will say, he's heavier than I thought, but I still don't think he has the size to be a 3-4 DE. His highest ceiling is BY FAR at 4-3 DE.

I would say he's a better 3-4 OLB prospect than 3-4 DE.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 14, 2013 8:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Raves wrote:
Harper41 wrote:
Raves wrote:
Harper41 wrote:
I'm not banking on Armstead progressing, he certainly might but we can't put all our eggs in one basket. Armstead is super raw and Strief sucks. We desperately need a good OT.


By drafting a raw player, specifically to develop, giving up on them the year after drafting them is a little premature. I'm not saying to just disregard the position, but unless the person you planned to develop showed little to no real promise, you don't draft that position, at least not early, immediately afterwards. I would be more prone to picking up a solid vet for a year or two.

That is a silly way to build a team. The Saints shouldn't bank on a raw 3rd round pick developing as their LT of the future. If theirs a legit LT prospect staring us in the face in the 1st round, we take him. Regardless of Armstead being on the roster or not.


Which legit 1st round LT do you think will fall to us that we should draft?

Hard question to answer since we're 3 weeks into the NCAA season, we don't know where our draft pick will be and guys always fall/rise during the draft but all the following players could absolutely fall to us if we're picking in the 20s.

Taylor Lewan OT Michigan
Cyrus Kouandjio OT Alabama
James Hurst OT UNC
Antonio Richardson OT Tennessee

Again though, by April all these guys could be 4th round picks or top 15 picks. Who knows. The main point is, that if an OT falls to us that we have a first round grade on it would be stupid to pass him up because of a SUPER RAW prospect we took in the 3rd this draft.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 14, 2013 9:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Harper41 wrote:
Raves wrote:
Harper41 wrote:
Raves wrote:
Harper41 wrote:
I'm not banking on Armstead progressing, he certainly might but we can't put all our eggs in one basket. Armstead is super raw and Strief sucks. We desperately need a good OT.


By drafting a raw player, specifically to develop, giving up on them the year after drafting them is a little premature. I'm not saying to just disregard the position, but unless the person you planned to develop showed little to no real promise, you don't draft that position, at least not early, immediately afterwards. I would be more prone to picking up a solid vet for a year or two.

That is a silly way to build a team. The Saints shouldn't bank on a raw 3rd round pick developing as their LT of the future. If theirs a legit LT prospect staring us in the face in the 1st round, we take him. Regardless of Armstead being on the roster or not.


Which legit 1st round LT do you think will fall to us that we should draft?

Hard question to answer since we're 3 weeks into the NCAA season, we don't know where our draft pick will be and guys always fall/rise during the draft but all the following players could absolutely fall to us if we're picking in the 20s.

Taylor Lewan OT Michigan
Cyrus Kouandjio OT Alabama
James Hurst OT UNC
Antonio Richardson OT Tennessee

Again though, by April all these guys could be 4th round picks or top 15 picks. Who knows. The main point is, that if an OT falls to us that we have a first round grade on it would be stupid to pass him up because of a SUPER RAW prospect we took in the 3rd this draft.


I personally like what the team has done lately. They take the highest rated player on their board, with maybe a small advantage to a need when two players are close, regardless of position otherwise. It's been working out pretty well and I say I hop they stick with it. I mean I don't care if the 1st round pick is a QB, RB, DE, whatever, as long as the staff has them as the highest rated, or damn near it, available when they pick.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 16, 2013 1:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thats not how it works though. If we had a WR as BPA 3 drafts in a row, theirs no way we're taking a WR in the first round 3 years in a row. You definitely take BPA but you take need into consideration as well. Protecting your 100 million dollar QB is a HUGE NEED and Brown and Strief just aren't cutting it right now. We need an OT this offseason, whether its from free agency or the draft or Armstead, I don't care. We desperately need a talented LT AND RT.
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