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PostPosted: Wed Aug 28, 2013 7:26 am    Post subject: Top 3 Team Needs or Weaknesses Based on performance & ro Reply with quote

What do you see as the 3 biggest weaknesses or needs for this years team?
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 28, 2013 6:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In no particular order:

RG - this might be a bit unpopular because it's the only position on the OL that I would single out. But, I haven't seen anything from Dunlap or Rinehart so far to make me think they won't be capable starters. And Fluker has been good for one lead-footed play each game where he gets beat badly. But, given that those rare plays are the only times he's been getting beat offers hope that he might get better this year, or at least not be too much of a liability in pass protection. However, Clary had the same issue where he would get beat badly, barely laying a hand on the defender. He would also sometimes block the wrong assignment, and these issues have persisted with his move inside to guard. Unfortunately, none of the backups look like they're challenging him for the starting spot, so I'm guessing that Clary goes into the season as the starter by default.

CB - keep in mind that there are a lot of unknowns on the Chargers roster that could become needs at the end of the season. This includes promising youngsters who are being given their shot at a starting role. I don't think it would be wise to write them off before seeing what they can do, and that includes now-starter Shareece Wright. However, the depth behind the two starters is very suspect. The team is currently one inevitable Derek Cox injury from starting Johnny Patrick, claimed off waivers from the Saints, and that's terrifying. It would be nice if the Chargers were grooming a youngster at the position to provide depth and insurance if Cox or Wright don't work out, but there were only so many things they could get this offseason.

RB - Mathews looks fine. But, he's missed playing time to injury every year, and there's no reason to think that won't happen again. The backups are not particularly impressive. Woodhead is primarily a passing down specialist. If Mathews is injured, they are likely going to a RBBC scenario. It looks like Fozzy is going to end up as the backup. I guess McClain would get some carries, perhaps also whoever ends up as the #4 RB (Ronnie Brown? a waiver claim?). It seems like the best of a bad situation rather than a true backup plan.

Honorable mention goes to special teams. They played better against Arizona, but we've seen a lot of bad angles and missed tackles in the coverage unit the first two preseason games. Hopefully it's just early mistakes and players who wouldn't make the roster anyway, but we'll see if that holds true.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 29, 2013 3:13 am    Post subject: Re: Top 3 Team Needs or Weaknesses Based on performance & Reply with quote

JustPlainNasty wrote:
What do you see as the 3 biggest weaknesses or needs for this years team?


This is a really hard question to gauge.

But basically i'll try....

Weaknesses:
1. Depth....everywhere. We have solid ILB, S, WR, and decent depth at RB, QB and even OT. But CB, Interior OL, CB, OLB, NT, DE is absolutely HORRIBLE. We have Rook UDFA's backing up CB and NT, with the only depth behind DE being Jairus Wynn, who isn't very good. Interior OL has a bunch of real bad players, other than maybe Molk. Especially at CB, depth is a huge issue, we have no backup outside CB's. If a outside CB goes down, our best option is honestly to play Gilchrist at CB and let Brandon Taylor start at SS (if he's healthy enough at that point)

2. Interior OL....Surprisingly, most of our trouble was inside. Dunlap actually looked really solid, and Fluker will struggle a bit with quicker guys, but thats something thats gonna come with Coaching over everything, he has more than enough talent. Dunlap is a guy i've said to watch out for, but hasn't almost ever gotten beat, and the one holding penalty i remember wasn't a hold, he just landed on the guy. Clary's just an issue, he's not going to be a terrible OG, but its not going to be pretty either. We're really making the best of a bad situation here, but we should end up replacing him after this season.

3. This one's a crapshoot. Could end up being WR's with Injuries, but any one of our replacements could fail pretty similarly, WR, NT, pass rush (if Freeney doesn't work out, our best pass rusher would end up being Englsih.... Shocked ), RB (Mathews doesn't really have an "every down" type backup, and is obviously SUPER injury prone), QB (Really being realistic, could potentially be a terrible situation if run game doesn't get going and Rivers keeps making bad decisions) could all be the next biggest need on this team, at this point, none is really looking like a huge issue, and all areas are working out, but all have the potential to go horribly wrong at any minute *knocks on wood*.

Thats why this is viewed as such a bad team, since we dont have many fans, alot of these question marks end up as assumed fails, when this can be a very good team if a majority of these things work out for us, and health is on our side. Freeney looks like the old model, Cam Thomas looks like a solid NT, WR is looking fine despite some injuries, OL is run blocking great, and Mathews looks very good, and hasn't had even a hint of an injury this year (once again *knocks on wood*), and Rivers hasn't made many bad decisions (Interceptions have been really strait unlucky and uncalled PI's (Allen getting tackled and S makes a diving catches...etc).
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 05, 2013 5:05 am    Post subject: Re: Top 3 Team Needs or Weaknesses Based on performance & Reply with quote

Duffman57 wrote:
Thats why this is viewed as such a bad team, since we dont have many fans, alot of these question marks end up as assumed fails, when this can be a very good team if a majority of these things work out for us, and health is on our side. Freeney looks like the old model, Cam Thomas looks like a solid NT, WR is looking fine despite some injuries, OL is run blocking great, and Mathews looks very good, and hasn't had even a hint of an injury this year (once again *knocks on wood*), and Rivers hasn't made many bad decisions (Interceptions have been really strait unlucky and uncalled PI's (Allen getting tackled and S makes a diving catches...etc).


I agree with you that this team being unfairly looked at as a bad team. I don't think there's an issue with some people predicting gloom and doom for the Chargers in 2013. There are a lot of unknowns with this team, especially on offense, that it's hard to get a grasp on what to expect. At this point, I think the Chargers are one of the most unpredictable teams coming into the season. Like you said, this could be a very good team if things go right - and I'd say that conversely, this could be a very bad team if much of the potential we've seen turns out to be a mirage.

But, I'm not sure that having more fans would really remedy that perception. The predictions thread in NFL Gen is a good example... the trend is for largely the same results as in 2012 with minor fluctuations (i.e. 2-3 new playoff teams). However, we see more parity happen every year (i.e. average of 6 new playoff teams), but for some reason people are either too timid or conservative or just don't think it's going to happen. The Chargers are not a proven team. They didn't sign big names in the offseason, they didn't make popular draft choices, and they're letting the youngsters they've developed take starting roles. That seems to be the type of team that is going to get overlooked and downcasted regardless. And, there are some people that are eager to jump on that. For instance, whenever Fluker made a mistake in pass protection in preseason, we heard about how someone thought he was a reach and how it looks like he's not ready, but nobody said a word on all the other plays when he kept Rivers upright. It's not like the guy was getting beat like a drum, but the perception was there because the mistakes were so loud. I forgot where I was going with this, but I think you get the idea of what I'm saying...
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 08, 2013 4:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's always difficult to pinpoint specific positions with this team because, quite frankly, it needs additions of high-level talent nearly wherever it can get it.

If, for example, King Dunlap panned out but the team was in a position to draft a high-level, blue-chip LOT prospect then I certainly wouldn't disagree because our OL is in a similar state of flux to that of the Eagles going into this past offseason (just with the age at differing places across the line). If asked, I don't have many doubts that, for instance, King Dunlap could kick to RT (and perhaps might even, if he's successful this year, spend another season at LOT before doing so) to allow a top-end prospect to play the blind-side, and thusly Fluker would likely kick in to RG (rookie wage scale, as long as he's highly effective, I could care less about where we drafted him because his pay is reasonable).

Similarly, if we're in a position to add a future franchise center, Nick Hardwick is progressed enough in his career that he's likely expendable, if not a year removed from being so (and ideally that's the plan with any future center is that he'd "redshirt" a year as a guard before kicking to the point). Same goes for OLB - Ingram seems best suited for the strong-side, Freeney isn't a long-term option, so if the opportunity comes to lay hands on a guy with premium upside who may need some smoothing of his edges, I'm not opposed and neither should the team be. San Francisco didn't build a top defense in a single year (or even three years), they did it over the course of nearly 5 seasons by both developing guys, being aggressive to acquire those with high upside on that side of the ball in the draft, and ensuring that those players had quality mentors while they were learning.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 10, 2013 12:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Do you guys not do GDTs!?
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RandyMossIsBoss wrote:
Do you guys not do GDTs!?


Not enough people sadly, usually ends up with Drew talking to himself and the 3-4 other guys agreeing about once a quarter. I'm not kidding either, look at some from last year lol.

Usually though we don't bother if its a primetime game and just use the thread in the general forums.
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So, I'd like to add "Heart" as the number one need of this team. Some guys have it, but very few do.

I don't care that we travel this week, I don't care that it's a short week. If McCoy is at all what he represents, practice on Wednesday should be a two-a-day.

And I officially have doubts about Pagano's scheme - no team can get away with playing pure man or pure off-zone anymore unless they've got a high-end pass-rush. We don't.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 10, 2013 9:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The LBC wrote:
So, I'd like to add "Heart" as the number one need of this team. Some guys have it, but very few do.

I don't care that we travel this week, I don't care that it's a short week. If McCoy is at all what he represents, practice on Wednesday should be a two-a-day.

And I officially have doubts about Pagano's scheme - no team can get away with playing pure man or pure off-zone anymore unless they've got a high-end pass-rush. We don't.


Exactly, playing off zone while blitzing is idiotic and we gifted 4-5 first downs to the Texans by doing just that.
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charger-man wrote:
The LBC wrote:
So, I'd like to add "Heart" as the number one need of this team. Some guys have it, but very few do.

I don't care that we travel this week, I don't care that it's a short week. If McCoy is at all what he represents, practice on Wednesday should be a two-a-day.

And I officially have doubts about Pagano's scheme - no team can get away with playing pure man or pure off-zone anymore unless they've got a high-end pass-rush. We don't.


Exactly, playing off zone while blitzing is idiotic and we gifted 4-5 first downs to the Texans by doing just that.


Yup, the only guy who can get pressure consistently is Freeney. It is ironic, I really thought the defense will have carry the team this season.....but it looks like Rivers and the offense are going to have to score 25-27 points to stay competitive.
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Both guard positions, CB, and strong safety. It's somewhat amusing to me that it's been more than a decade since Rodney Harrison left the team and we've still never found a real replacement for him.

Honorable mentions would be center, pass rush (just in general), and defensive line.
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Durandal1707 wrote:
Both guard positions, CB, and strong safety. It's somewhat amusing to me that it's been more than a decade since Rodney Harrison left the team and we've still never found a real replacement for him.

Honorable mentions would be center, pass rush (just in general), and defensive line.


Eric Weddle may not be a Rodney Harrison clone, but he is the best safety in the NFL.

I don't think a Rodney could exist in today's NFL. The "enforcer" type safety is a dying if not dead breed.
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charger-man wrote:
Durandal1707 wrote:
Both guard positions, CB, and strong safety. It's somewhat amusing to me that it's been more than a decade since Rodney Harrison left the team and we've still never found a real replacement for him.

Honorable mentions would be center, pass rush (just in general), and defensive line.


Eric Weddle may not be a Rodney Harrison clone, but he is the best safety in the NFL.

I don't think a Rodney could exist in today's NFL. The "enforcer" type safety is a dying if not dead breed.


Outside of Marcus Pollard who isn't half the safety Rodney was, I can't even relate one to him. Maybe Polamalu a few years ago but yes, the enforcer retired with Rodney.
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Boltstrikes wrote:
charger-man wrote:
Durandal1707 wrote:
Both guard positions, CB, and strong safety. It's somewhat amusing to me that it's been more than a decade since Rodney Harrison left the team and we've still never found a real replacement for him.

Honorable mentions would be center, pass rush (just in general), and defensive line.


Eric Weddle may not be a Rodney Harrison clone, but he is the best safety in the NFL.

I don't think a Rodney could exist in today's NFL. The "enforcer" type safety is a dying if not dead breed.


Outside of Marcus Pollard who isn't half the safety Rodney was, I can't even relate one to him. Maybe Polamalu a few years ago but yes, the enforcer retired with Rodney.


Bernard?

The closest thing i can think of is Harper, but he's not quite the hitter that Harrison was. Gholston is the hitter he is, but is far better in coverage. hard to find a great comp for him.
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