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PostPosted: Sat Sep 07, 2013 11:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

superbowlbound wrote:
I know RB isn't our biggest need at all, but I think i'm falling in love with Lache Seastrunk!!!

He's just such a beast!! I actually see him as a top 15 pick (especially if he runs a rub 4.5 40 which I think he might be able to do)



We still need a RB. He definitely is a consideration for our 1st round pick.

I only see 3 or 4 1st round possibilities to bolster our offense. We need more. about 10-12 1st round possibilities will suffice.
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superbowlbound wrote:
I know RB isn't our biggest need at all, but I think i'm falling in love with Lache Seastrunk!!!

He's just such a beast!! I actually see him as a top 15 pick (especially if he runs a rub 4.5 40 which I think he might be able to do)

Melvin Gordon is better.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 12, 2013 2:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sammy Watkins, Clem
Brandon Coleman, Rutgers
Marqise Lee, USC
Paul Richardson, CO
Jordan Matthews, Vandy
Allen Robinson, PSU
Ryan Grant, Tulane
Cody Hoffman, BYU
Alex Neutz, Buff
Odell Beckham, LSU
Eric Ward, TTU
Mike Davis, Tex
Kelvin Benjamin*, FSU


This might be a pretty good draft class for WR's. Of course it will depend on how this season goes, but they look good so far. Shouldn't have a problem with finding a WR next year. Richardson is shooting up boards right now.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 12, 2013 3:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

rickyt31 wrote:
Sammy Watkins, Clem
Brandon Coleman, Rutgers
Marqise Lee, USC
Paul Richardson, CO
Jordan Matthews, Vandy
Allen Robinson, PSU
Ryan Grant, Tulane
Cody Hoffman, BYU
Alex Neutz, Buff
Odell Beckham, LSU
Eric Ward, TTU
Mike Davis, Tex
Kelvin Benjamin*, FSU

Jarvis Landry, Mike Davis and Ryan Grant are all gonna be quality NFL receivers who are all under looked.


This might be a pretty good draft class for WR's. Of course it will depend on how this season goes, but they look good so far. Shouldn't have a problem with finding a WR next year. Richardson is shooting up boards right now.

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You lost me at "falling Sammy Watkins" there is no way he falls, unless a sniper kneecaps him during his 40, and Watkins momentum might get him a 4.4 40 anyway.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 12, 2013 3:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ganggreen1102 wrote:
rickyt31 wrote:
Sammy Watkins, Clem
Brandon Coleman, Rutgers
Marqise Lee, USC
Paul Richardson, CO
Jordan Matthews, Vandy
Allen Robinson, PSU
Ryan Grant, Tulane
Cody Hoffman, BYU
Alex Neutz, Buff
Odell Beckham, LSU
Eric Ward, TTU
Mike Davis, Tex
Kelvin Benjamin*, FSU

Jarvis Landry, Mike Davis and Ryan Grant are all gonna be quality NFL receivers who are all under looked.


This might be a pretty good draft class for WR's. Of course it will depend on how this season goes, but they look good so far. Shouldn't have a problem with finding a WR next year. Richardson is shooting up boards right now.


I forgot about Landry. For some reason, I think of Donald Driver when I see him play. I like his game.
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May have been asked already but I'm not gonna dig through this thread to find it;

If the Jets have the 3rd pick (I don't think we will but a lot of people are assuming we will) and the first 2 picks are QBs do you think we take Clowney? part of me salivates over the thought but personally if we can get a kings ransom from an NFC team I think we should trade out of it. (Even if we just get two 1st round picks)

Thoughts?
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rdelaney89 wrote:
May have been asked already but I'm not gonna dig through this thread to find it;

If the Jets have the 3rd pick (I don't think we will but a lot of people are assuming we will) and the first 2 picks are QBs do you think we take Clowney? part of me salivates over the thought but personally if we can get a kings ransom from an NFC team I think we should trade out of it. (Even if we just get two 1st round picks)

Thoughts?


If we were to pick someone, it would likely be Clowney, Barr, or Watkins pending on how well this season goes for them. But I wouldn't mind trading back in that situation. It's not often when the 3rd best QB gets selected in the top 10, so we can trade back for him or go BPA and build around the position for the next QB. We're already set to have 12 picks in the next draft, so a trade back would get us 13-14 picks. Load up!
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rdelaney89 wrote:
May have been asked already but I'm not gonna dig through this thread to find it;

If the Jets have the 3rd pick (I don't think we will but a lot of people are assuming we will) and the first 2 picks are QBs do you think we take Clowney? part of me salivates over the thought but personally if we can get a kings ransom from an NFC team I think we should trade out of it. (Even if we just get two 1st round picks)

Thoughts?


If we were to pick someone, it would likely be Clowney, Barr, or Watkins pending on how well this season goes for them. But I wouldn't mind trading back in that situation. It's not often when the 3rd best QB gets selected in the top 10, so we can trade back for him or go BPA and build around the position for the next QB. We're already set to have 12 picks in the next draft, so a trade back would get us 13-14 picks. Load up!



Traded down to let another team take Clowney.
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I think for what the Jets want to do, I really wouldn't mind having an Oregon draft. Get Thomas and Lyerla and we have two dynamic weapons for Geno going forward.
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1. Sammy Watkins (Austin)
2. Bigger possession or Hill clone
3. TE

Kerley (Bailey)
resign Winslow

Hill/R2 as the big body target

No way Geno struggles with that.
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After last night's game, I can't think of a reason why Sammy shouldn't be the #1 pick for us. Then trade back into the first and draft a big TE to be a redzone threat. Or the other way around. We need a Redzone target. Hill can be one with his 40inch vert, but we never use it.
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WR Rankings from the NFL Draft forum...

Its A Sabotage wrote:
Wide Receiver Rankings

Senior Wide Receivers:
1. Jordan Matthews, Vanderbilt [63 205]
2. Jared Abbrederis, Wisconsin [62 188]
3. Cody Hoffman, Brigham Young University [64 215]
4. Michael Campanaro, Wake Forest [511 195]
5. Devin Street, Pittsburgh [63 192]
6. Dri Archer, Kent State [58 175]
7. Noel Grigsby, San Jose State [511 175]
8. Tevin Reese, Baylor [510 165]
9. Ryan Grant, Tulane [61 190]
10. Alex Amidon, Boston College [511 186]

Junior Wide Receivers:
1. Sammy Watkins, Clemson [61 205]
2. Brandon Coleman, Rutgers [66 220]
3. Marqise Lee, Southern California [510 195]
4. Allen Robinson, Penn State [63 204]
5. Malcolm Mitchell, Georgia [61 192]
6. Donte Moncrief, Ole Miss [62 214]
7. Kenny Bell, Nebraska [61 185]
8. DeVante Parker, Louisville [63 204]
9. Jalen Saunders, Oklahoma [59 160]
10. Rashad Greene, Florida State [60 175]

Redshirt Sophomore Wide Receivers:
1. Mike Evans, Texas A&M [65 225]
2. Sean Price, Appalachian State [65 214]
3. Devante Adams, Fresno State [62 200]
4. LaDarius Brown, Texas Christian [63 220]
5. DeVaris Daniels, Notre Dame [62 190]

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=Wide Receivers

1. Marqise Lee - USC - 6' 195
Height: 6'
Weight: 195
40 time: 4.4
Stats
2011: 73 rec, 1143 yds, 15.7 YPC, and 11 TDs
2012: 118 rec, 1721 yds, 14.6 YPC, and 14 TDs
---What Lee lacks in size and strength he more than makes up for with explosiveness, top end speed, and outstanding hands. He plays bigger than his size and also is the best route runner in the class. He can be effective in all formats from stretching a defenses vertically to being used on bubble screens to running the intermediate routes. His route tree is very diverse. He also has shown in the past that he can be a terrific returnman when asked to be. He's produced at an extremely high level since his true freshman year and last year's numbers were mind-boggling. Lee is far and away the best WR in the class and reminds me of a young Timmy Brown watching him play.
Projection: top 10 pick


2. Sammy Watkins - Clemson - 6'1" 205
Height: 6'1"
Weight: 205
40 time: 4.4
Stats
2011: 83 rec, 1225 yds, 14.8 YPC, 12 TDs, and 231 rush yds
2012: 57 rec, 708 yds, 12.4 YPC, 3 TDs, 97 rush yds, and 1 TD
---Watkins regressed somewhat in 2012 but he should pick up where he left off his freshman year when he was a phenom and one the top deep threats in the country. Watkins has good size and strength to go with serious wheels and he reaches top speed in a flash, showing an astonishingly quick first step and explosiveness in and out of his breaks. He can play outside or in the slot and has been effective on sweeps, reverses, bubble screens, and even lines up in the backfield on occasion. He's extremely dangerous after the catch and in the open field using his superb lateral agility and vision to earn alot of YAC. He also has strong hands and consistently catches the ball away from his body. His only real weaknesses he needs to improve on are his release off the line(he needs to be more physical), diversify his route tree(which he should do playing Hopkins old "9" position on the outside more this season), and show better body control on jump balls as he's yet to establish himself as a legit redzone threat. His marijuana arrest will be looked at closely as well but the pros far outweigh the cons.
Projection: top 20 pick


3. Donte Moncrief - Ole Miss
Height: 6'3"
Weight: 225
40 time: 4.4
Stats
2011: 31 rec, 454 yds, 14.7 YPC, and 4 TDs
2012: 66 rec, 979 yds, 14.8 YPC, and 10 TDs
---Moncrief is the freak WR of this class. He's still very raw but he's an explosive, powerful WR with the best body control and the widest catch radius of any receiver in the draft. He excels on jump balls and consistently high points the ball. Pushing nearly 230 pounds, he is rumored to run around a 4.4 flat with a 40" vertical and broad jumps over 11 feet. He'll undoubtedly blow up the combine before the draft. I hadn't heard about Moncrief until his Mississippi St. game that I watched. He torched Jonathan Banks and after being abused long enough, they switched Darius Slay to his side, where he proceeded to torch him as well. Like I said before tho, he's raw. He needs alot of work on the mental aspect of his game tho. His route running needs to be more diverse and refined, he needs to be improve his game to game consistency, and prove he can overcome double teams and continue to make plays. But he has the physical trais and natural ability to be the best WR in this class with coaching and experience.
Projection: top 25 pick


4. Brandon Coleman - Rutgers
Height: 6'6"
Weight: 220
40 time: 4.55
Stats
2011: 17 rec, 552 yds, and 6 TDs
2012: 43 rec, 718 yds, and 10 TDs
---I'm a big fan of Coleman. A very tall, strong receiver who has an obvious size advantage but he also has outstanding body control, can leap, and he shields defenders very well with his frame. Not to mention the enormous catch radius and you have a redzone nightmare. But he's got deep speed too. While he needs coaching on his footwork to improve his breaking ability, he's got a nice hesitation move and is deadly on nearly any vertical route. But other than those, comeback routes, and occasionally a crossing/post route, he doesn't have a diverse route tree. He also needs to show more consistency catching the ball and learn zone concepts. But he has the frame, athleticism, and potential to be a #1 receiver. He should start as a rookie due to his redzone ability, raw talent, and ability to contribute as a blocker on early downs...
Projection: Late 1st


5. Jordan Matthews - Vanderbilt
Height: 6'3"
Weight: 205
40 time: 4.5
Stats

---I LOVE Jordan Matthews. The Vanderbilt product is the 2nd best route runner in the class IMO and Matthews is the complete package. He's a very well rounded WR with maybe the most diverse route tree in the WR group. He understands zones, doesn't round off his routes, and uses his headfakes like a pro. He's got good size and makes up for his lack of elite athleticism with his intangibles and technique. His size makes him a good redzone target but he's great in the redzone cause he's an outstanding leaper with terrific body control and concentration. He makes big plays and great catches consistently, although he needs to stop looking upfield before he secures the ball. He won't ever be a dynamic, game breaking WR but I liken him alot to Michael Crabtree if he can become more physical. That's one thing he does need to show, more physicality against the jam and more effort when blocking.
Projection: Late 1st


6. Cody Hoffman - BYU
Height: 6'4"
Weight: 215
40 time: 4.6
Stats
2010: 42 rec, 537 yds, and 7 TDs
2011: 61 rec, 943 yds, and 10 TDs
2012: 100 rec, 1248 yds, and 11 TDs
---Hoffman is a terrific possession type receiver prospect at the next level. He runs good routes(a diverse amount too) and wastes little motion in both his routes(smooth cuts, uses fakes well, sees coverages) and after the catch(gets upfield, is very strong). He shows impressive hands at times but they can also be very inconsistent. He has 2 bad flaws tho in my opinion. He struggles badly against the jam(surprising for his size) and he doesn't play as physical as he should. He doesn't shield defenders with his body consistently, can be muscled off his routes, and isn't a good blocker, showing a seeming disinterest in it. Overall if he can get more physical, he could become a Marques Colston-type possession wideout but he unfortuantely lacks the athleticism and consistent hands to be a capable #1 receiver.
Projection: 2nd


7. Allen Robinson - Penn St.
Height: 6'3"
Weight: 205
40 time: 4.55
Stats
2012: 77 rec, 1018 yds, and 11 TDs
---Robinson is a flashy, inconsistent player who will shy some teams away between his questionable deep speed and his tendency to body catch alot of balls but he's also adept at making big plays that will stand out on tape and has plus size. He's simply as most would say a "baller", who isn't overly physical or fast but he shines using his leaping ability. He can get up with the best of them and his tremendous body control allows him to making outstanding plays down the field and in traffic. BUT, he's not very fast and lacks great athleticism. His biggest questions will be if he can seperate at the next level. He's not a diverse, or particularily strong, route runner and doesn't have the ability to make up for his lack of explosiveness. Overall I don't know what to make of him. I wanna watch him for one more year in Penn St.'s new pro-style offense to see if he can improve but right now he's a borderline 2nd rounder with bigplay ability that simply can't be denied.
Projection: 2nd-3rd


8. Odell Beckham Jr. - LSU
Height: 5'11"
Weight: 185
40 time: 4.4
Stats
2011: 41 rec, 475 yds, and 2 TDs
2012: 43 rec, 713 yds, and 2 TDs
---i like Beckham Jr. alot as a prospect and think he could develop into a terrific sitautional deep threat/slot receiver in the NFL ala Devery Henderson. He doesn't have good size but he's explosive with top end speed, runs good routes with good burst in and out of his breaks, and can pick up yards after contact in a hurry with his athleticism and agility. He isn't afraid of contact but his hands are very inconsistent(lets too many balls get into his body and has small, seamingly weak hands) and lacks a physical side to his game. He also is a deadly returner which will help his stock and lead to immediate playing time as a rookie. Overall he may not even develop into a starter but he could excel highly in a pass happy offense that reguarily uses a 3rd receiver consistently such as the Saints, Packers, or Broncos but for now he's a slot prospect with deep speed and great special teams value.
Projection: 3rd


9. Josh Huff - Oregon
Height: 5'11"
Weight: 200
40 time: 4.5
Stats
2010: 19 rec, 303 yds, 3 TDs, 214 rush yds, 17.8 ypc, and 2 TDs
2011: 31 rec, 430 yds, and 2 TDs
2012: 32 rec, 493 yds, and 7 TDs
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Projection: 3rd-4th


10. Mike Davis - Texas
Height: 6'1"
Weight: 195
40 time: 4.45
Stats
2010: 47 rec, 478 yds, and 2 TDs
2011: 45 rec, 609 yds, and TD
2012: 57 rec, 939 yds, and 7 TDs
---
Projection: 3rd-4th


11. Jared Abbrederis - Wisconsin
Height: 6'1"
Weight: 190
40 time: 4.45
Stats
2010: 20 rec, 289 yds, and 3 TDs
2011: 55 rec, 933 yds, and 8 TDs
2012: 49 rec, 837 yds, and 5 TDs
---
Projection: 4th


12. Jalen Saunders - Oklahoma
Height: 5'9"
Weight: 165
40 time: 4.4
Stats
2010: 30 rec, 462 yds, and 3 TDs
2011: 50 rec, 1065 yds, and 12 TDs
2012: 62 rec, 829 yds, and 3 TDs
---
Projection: 4th


13. Ryan Grant - Tulane
Height: 6'1"
Weight: 190
40 time: 4.5
Stats
2009: 9 rec, 39 yds, and TD
2010: 33 rec, 515 yds, and 4 TDs
2011: 1 rec for 27 yds
2012: 76 rec, 1149 yds, and 6 TDs
---
Projection: 4th-5th


14. Devin Street - Pitt
Height: 6'3"
Weight: 195
40 time: 4.55
Stats
2010: 25 rec, 318 yds, and 2 TDs
2011: 53 rec, 754 yds, and 2 TDs
2012: 73 rec, 975 yds, and 5 TDs
---
Projection: 4th-5th


15. Brandon Carter - TCU
Height: 5'11"
Weight: 185
40 time: 4.5
Stats
2011: 23 rec, 352 yds, and 3 TDs
2012: 36 rec, 590 yds, and 6 TDs
---
Projection: 5th


16. TJ Jones - Notre Dame
Height: 5'11"
Weight: 190
40 time: 4.5
Stats
2010: 23 rec, 306 yds, and 3 TDs
2011: 38 rec, 366 yds, and 3 TDs
2012: 50 rec, 649 yds, and 4 TDs
---
Projection: 5th


17. Kevin Norwood - Alabama
Height: 6'1"
Weight: 195
40 time: 4.5
Stats
2010: 3 rec, 56 yds, and TD
2011: 11 rec for 190 yds
2012: 29 rec, 461 yds, and 4 TDs
---
Projection: 5th


18. Jaxon Shipley - Texas
Height: 6'1"
Weight: 195
40 time: 4.55
Stats
2011: 44 rec, 607 yds, and 3 TDs
2012: 59 rec, 737 yds, and 6 TDs
---
Projection: 5th-6th


19. Tevin Reese - Baylor
Height: 5'10"
Weight: 175
40 time: 4.45
Stats
2010: 45 rec for 401 yds
2011: 51 rec, 877 yds, and 7 TDs
2012: 53 rec, 957 yds, and 9 TDs
---
Projection: 5th-6th


20. Tracy Moore - Oklahoma St.
Height: 6'1"
Weight: 215
40 time: 4.55
Stats
2009: 11 rec, 183 yds, and 3 TDs
2010: 17 rec, 212 yds, and TD
2011: 45 rec, 672 yds, and 4 TDs
2012: 20 rec, 259 yds, and 4 TDs
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Projection: 6th


21. Shaq Evans - Louisiana Tech
Height: 6'1"
Weight: 200
40 time: 4.55
Stats
2009: 7 rec for 61 yds
2011: 19 rec, 309 yds, and 2 TDs
2012: 60 rec, 877 yds, and 3 TDs
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Projection: 6th


22. Kenny Bell - Alabama - 6'1" 180
Height: 6'1"
Weight: 185
40 time: 4.5
Stats
2011: 17 rec, 255 yds, and 2 TDs
2012: 17 rec, 431 yds, and 3 TDs
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Projection: 6th


23. Eric Ward - Texas Tech
Height: 6'
Weight: 205
40 time: 4.6
Stats:
2010: 6 rec for 63 yds
2011: 84 rec, 800 yds, and 11 TDs
2012: 82 rec, 1053 yds, and 12 TDs
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Projection: 6th


24. Michael Campanaro - Wake Forest
Height: 5'11"
Weight: 195
40 time: 4.6
Stats
2010: 10 rec, 107 yds, 123 rush yds, 4.2 ypc, and TD
2011: 73 rec, 833 yds, and 2 TDs
2012: 79 rec, 763 yds, and 6 TDs, 82 rush yds, 5.1 ypc, and TD
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Projection: 6th-7th


25. Nick Harwell - Kansas
Height: 6'1"
Weight: 195
40 time: 4.55
Stats
2010: 64 rec, 871 yds, and 6 TDs
2011: 97 rec, 1425 yds, and 9 TDs
2012: 68 rec, 870 yds, and 8 TDs
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Projection: 6th-7th


26. Andre Debose - Florida
Height: 5'11"
Weight: 190
40 time: 4.4
Stats
2010: 10 rec, 96 yds, 587 KR yds, 28.0 avg, and 2 TDs
2011: 16 rec, 432 yds, 4 TDs, 495 KR yds, 26.1 avg, and TD
2012: 3 rec, 15 yds, 510 KR yds, 28.3 avg, and TD
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Projection: 7th

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This might be the year to double dip into the WR class. There are a lot of great options. I'm going to check out a lot of the WR's & TE's during the season. I like Shaq Evans is a interesting WR. I didn't know Mike Evans was a redshirt soph. I doubt he leaves early, but it could be great for us.
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I don't follow their estimated timed speed. Every year, it always ends up as a disappointment.


Vandy vs USC game tonight on TV. I will watch it.
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Don't really care about QB since I think Geno will pan out but watching Alabama and Texas A&M

Manziel impressive so far still don't think he's an NFL QB

Mccaron showed enough to tell me how he's overrated. (meaning he's showing that he's not as good as his stats)
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