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PostPosted: Wed Sep 04, 2013 4:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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What people seem to be forgetting is that Robert Meachem is one of the better run blocking WRs in the league. At worst, he helps us in that regard.


That's a good point - he was one of PFFs top run blocking WRs in 2012 with us. Not sure we necessarily missed it last year but it's another facet to our offence that will improve this year

I would point out that the stats are slightly skewed by the low incidence of outside runs that Norv Turner calls and the fact that it's fairly easy for a WR on the perimeter to execute an "effective" block on a corner when the run is going at the A or B gap and nowhere near where he is on the field. This isn't speaking to his time with the Saints, but just saying...


Sorry, by 2012 I meant his last season with the Saints. Not sure how he performed last year at blocking In San Diego

After doing a little reference work, I stand by my point. The 2012 Saints were in the bottom 10% of the league for rushing attempts on the season. Smaller sample size makes it much easier to grade out with a favorable result - or in other words less opportunity to yield poor results.

Not saying that his run-blocking may not have been very good, but when it's on a team that runs the ball less than all but 3 other teams in the league like the Saints did in 2012 then it's not nearly as impressive a claim to fame.
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The LBC wrote:
wow_junky wrote:
The LBC wrote:
wow_junky wrote:
Harper41 wrote:
What people seem to be forgetting is that Robert Meachem is one of the better run blocking WRs in the league. At worst, he helps us in that regard.


That's a good point - he was one of PFFs top run blocking WRs in 2012 with us. Not sure we necessarily missed it last year but it's another facet to our offence that will improve this year

I would point out that the stats are slightly skewed by the low incidence of outside runs that Norv Turner calls and the fact that it's fairly easy for a WR on the perimeter to execute an "effective" block on a corner when the run is going at the A or B gap and nowhere near where he is on the field. This isn't speaking to his time with the Saints, but just saying...


Sorry, by 2012 I meant his last season with the Saints. Not sure how he performed last year at blocking In San Diego

After doing a little reference work, I stand by my point. The 2012 Saints were in the bottom 10% of the league for rushing attempts on the season. Smaller sample size makes it much easier to grade out with a favorable result - or in other words less opportunity to yield poor results.

Not saying that his run-blocking may not have been very good, but when it's on a team that runs the ball less than all but 3 other teams in the league like the Saints did in 2012 then it's not nearly as impressive a claim to fame.


What do the 2012 Saints have to do with anything? The last year Meachem was with them in 2011, they had a top-10 rushing offense. They also did in 2009 when they won the Super Bowl.
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NS922 wrote:
The LBC wrote:
wow_junky wrote:
The LBC wrote:
wow_junky wrote:
Harper41 wrote:
What people seem to be forgetting is that Robert Meachem is one of the better run blocking WRs in the league. At worst, he helps us in that regard.


That's a good point - he was one of PFFs top run blocking WRs in 2012 with us. Not sure we necessarily missed it last year but it's another facet to our offence that will improve this year

I would point out that the stats are slightly skewed by the low incidence of outside runs that Norv Turner calls and the fact that it's fairly easy for a WR on the perimeter to execute an "effective" block on a corner when the run is going at the A or B gap and nowhere near where he is on the field. This isn't speaking to his time with the Saints, but just saying...


Sorry, by 2012 I meant his last season with the Saints. Not sure how he performed last year at blocking In San Diego

After doing a little reference work, I stand by my point. The 2012 Saints were in the bottom 10% of the league for rushing attempts on the season. Smaller sample size makes it much easier to grade out with a favorable result - or in other words less opportunity to yield poor results.

Not saying that his run-blocking may not have been very good, but when it's on a team that runs the ball less than all but 3 other teams in the league like the Saints did in 2012 then it's not nearly as impressive a claim to fame.


What do the 2012 Saints have to do with anything? The last year Meachem was with them in 2011, they had a top-10 rushing offense. They also did in 2009 when they won the Super Bowl.


Was going to ask this same question Laughing
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NS922 wrote:
The LBC wrote:
wow_junky wrote:
The LBC wrote:
wow_junky wrote:
Harper41 wrote:
What people seem to be forgetting is that Robert Meachem is one of the better run blocking WRs in the league. At worst, he helps us in that regard.


That's a good point - he was one of PFFs top run blocking WRs in 2012 with us. Not sure we necessarily missed it last year but it's another facet to our offence that will improve this year

I would point out that the stats are slightly skewed by the low incidence of outside runs that Norv Turner calls and the fact that it's fairly easy for a WR on the perimeter to execute an "effective" block on a corner when the run is going at the A or B gap and nowhere near where he is on the field. This isn't speaking to his time with the Saints, but just saying...


Sorry, by 2012 I meant his last season with the Saints. Not sure how he performed last year at blocking In San Diego

After doing a little reference work, I stand by my point. The 2012 Saints were in the bottom 10% of the league for rushing attempts on the season. Smaller sample size makes it much easier to grade out with a favorable result - or in other words less opportunity to yield poor results.

Not saying that his run-blocking may not have been very good, but when it's on a team that runs the ball less than all but 3 other teams in the league like the Saints did in 2012 then it's not nearly as impressive a claim to fame.


What do the 2012 Saints have to do with anything? The last year Meachem was with them in 2011, they had a top-10 rushing offense. They also did in 2009 when they won the Super Bowl.

He was the one that brought up 2012. I've done my best to block memories of Robert Meachem's existence on the Chargers from my memory, so the years are a little hazy for me.
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I refer to the seasons by the year so the superbowl is in (it's easier to explain seasons that way to people here in the UK I find....) so my comments relate to Meachems last season with the Saints, in 2011/12, when we had a top 10 rushing offence as mentioned.
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Maybe he suffered a case of culture shock in San Diego, and had trouble adapting to the move? He did go from LSU to New Orleans, so his whole football career previous was spent in Louisiana. Not making excuses for him, but it does happen. Some guys don't adapt well, especially when moving all the way across the country.

On that note, like other Saints fans, I'm on the fence. Seems like a strange move, but if he can return to form under Payton/Brees, it's a low risk/high reward signing.
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Maybe he suffered a case of culture shock in San Diego, and had trouble adapting to the move? He did go from LSU to New Orleans, so his whole football career previous was spent in Louisiana. Not making excuses for him, but it does happen. Some guys don't adapt well, especially when moving all the way across the country.

On that note, like other Saints fans, I'm on the fence. Seems like a strange move, but if he can return to form under Payton/Brees, it's a low risk/high reward signing.


He went to Tennessee. Confused
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He did go from LSU to New Orleans


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SWATcha wrote:
Maybe he suffered a case of culture shock in San Diego, and had trouble adapting to the move? He did go from LSU to New Orleans, so his whole football career previous was spent in Louisiana. Not making excuses for him, but it does happen. Some guys don't adapt well, especially when moving all the way across the country.

On that note, like other Saints fans, I'm on the fence. Seems like a strange move, but if he can return to form under Payton/Brees, it's a low risk/high reward signing.


That is part of the reason, he had problems picking up Norv's playbook. And on top of that, Rivers is a different QB from Brees. Rivers likes to play tall ball with his wideouts and that is a poor fit with a body-catcher like Meachem.
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He did go from LSU to New Orleans


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Yaya, my bad. I was thinking Henderson for some stupid reason. I'll put my dunce cap on now and sit in the corner Crying or Very sad
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SWATcha wrote:
Maybe he suffered a case of culture shock in San Diego, and had trouble adapting to the move? He did go from LSU to New Orleans, so his whole football career previous was spent in Louisiana. Not making excuses for him, but it does happen. Some guys don't adapt well, especially when moving all the way across the country.

On that note, like other Saints fans, I'm on the fence. Seems like a strange move, but if he can return to form under Payton/Brees, it's a low risk/high reward signing.


I think this is what's happened. In Meachems interview with no media after signing with the Saints, he kept saying how glad he was to be home several times and pretty much said he didn't like SD. Looked like he just woke up from a nightmare. I wonder if he has social anxiety or something and needs to be fully comfortable to perform

http://www.neworleanssaints.com/media-center/videos/Robert-Meachem-its-good-to-be-home/14fb0cfa-256f-431e-84ec-f269fc7d3042
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Pookie wrote:
SWATcha wrote:
Maybe he suffered a case of culture shock in San Diego, and had trouble adapting to the move? He did go from LSU to New Orleans, so his whole football career previous was spent in Louisiana. Not making excuses for him, but it does happen. Some guys don't adapt well, especially when moving all the way across the country.

On that note, like other Saints fans, I'm on the fence. Seems like a strange move, but if he can return to form under Payton/Brees, it's a low risk/high reward signing.


I think this is what's happened. In Meachems interview with no media after signing with the Saints, he kept saying how glad he was to be home several times and pretty much said he didn't like SD. Looked like he just woke up from a nightmare. I wonder if he has social anxiety or something and needs to be fully comfortable to perform

http://www.neworleanssaints.com/media-center/videos/Robert-Meachem-its-good-to-be-home/14fb0cfa-256f-431e-84ec-f269fc7d3042


Nah he's just terrible and is making excuses for the fact that he was awful in 15 out of 16 games last year. Wink
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JammerHammer21 wrote:
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SWATcha wrote:
Maybe he suffered a case of culture shock in San Diego, and had trouble adapting to the move? He did go from LSU to New Orleans, so his whole football career previous was spent in Louisiana. Not making excuses for him, but it does happen. Some guys don't adapt well, especially when moving all the way across the country.

On that note, like other Saints fans, I'm on the fence. Seems like a strange move, but if he can return to form under Payton/Brees, it's a low risk/high reward signing.


I think this is what's happened. In Meachems interview with no media after signing with the Saints, he kept saying how glad he was to be home several times and pretty much said he didn't like SD. Looked like he just woke up from a nightmare. I wonder if he has social anxiety or something and needs to be fully comfortable to perform

http://www.neworleanssaints.com/media-center/videos/Robert-Meachem-its-good-to-be-home/14fb0cfa-256f-431e-84ec-f269fc7d3042


Nah he's just terrible and is making excuses for the fact that he was awful in 15 out of 16 games last year. Wink


That's the thing though, he WAS terrible for you guys. He was always serviceable for us. If he comes back to being a good #3 or #4 guy, then it probably is just a case of a guy not adapting to his surroundings. It's a pretty weak reason, and I'm not sure why it happens, but it does.
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