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PostPosted: Tue Sep 03, 2013 1:44 pm    Post subject: 49ers 2013 cap space- $2.293 million Reply with quote

http://ninercaphell.com/2013-salaries/

We're pretty tight on the cap this year- even with all the paycuts veterans took, and the salaries we cleared off the roster (Parys Haralson, Brian Jennings, etc).

If you look at 2014, we have only $6.8 million in cap space. Although we could gain a small amount more in de-escalators (Ahmad Brooks and Anthony Davis have them in their contracts, i forget what for though). It gets better in 2015 ($38 million) and 2016 ($77 million)- that'll probably be the years where Kaepernick and Aldon Smith are getting their money.

I imagine 2013 can't be changed too much unless we extend someone else, so we'll have to hope we don't need an expensive injury replacement, but for 2014 some salaries jump out right away- Carlos Rogers ($8 million), Gore ($6 million), and Jon Baldwin ($1.3 million- no guaranteed money either, so we could cut him and save that cash) are all candidates for re-structuring/cuts.

Overall our long-term cap picture looks good (2015-beyond), our short-term cap health (2014) looks OK with a chance to get better after some offseason maneuvering, but our 2013 cap space is very tight.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 03, 2013 1:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think we are able to roll over unused space from this year too. Can someone confirm? I mentioned it in another thread but I don't think rogers or gore are back. VD may have to restructure or sign another extension. Ahmad brooks will likely be deescalated again because I think we will see lemonier rotating in a lot for him.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 03, 2013 1:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I think we are able to roll over unused space from this year too. Can someone confirm? I mentioned it in another thread but I don't think rogers or gore are back. VD may have to restructure or sign another extension. Ahmad brooks will likely be deescalated again because I think we will see lemonier rotating in a lot for him.


Yes cap space can be rolled over to next year.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 03, 2013 1:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

One thing to take into account is the fact that players have been re-working contracts to work extensions for other players. I'd expect more of the same to lock up one of Kaep/Aldon/Iupati.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 03, 2013 2:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Forge wrote:
I think we are able to roll over unused space from this year too. Can someone confirm? I mentioned it in another thread but I don't think rogers or gore are back. VD may have to restructure or sign another extension. Ahmad brooks will likely be deescalated again because I think we will see lemonier rotating in a lot for him.


Yes cap space can be rolled over to next year.


I imagine every cent that can be rolled over, will be.

I think we'll save some small amounts of money as the year goes when, for example when we get dobbs back during week 2, we could release tuakufu and save $555,000 (with no guaranteed money), etc etc.

Do you guys think our low cap space this year will prevent Iupati from signing an extension?
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DirtyJersey9er wrote:
Forge wrote:
I think we are able to roll over unused space from this year too. Can someone confirm? I mentioned it in another thread but I don't think rogers or gore are back. VD may have to restructure or sign another extension. Ahmad brooks will likely be deescalated again because I think we will see lemonier rotating in a lot for him.


Yes cap space can be rolled over to next year.


I imagine every cent that can be rolled over, will be.

I think we'll save some small amounts of money as the year goes when, for example when we get dobbs back during week 2, we could release tuakufu and save $555,000 (with no guaranteed money), etc etc.

Do you guys think our low cap space this year will prevent Iupati from signing an extension?


probably not as the money would be pushed into cap friendlier years I think plus we can expect at least 6 more player cuts during the season that will free money up.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 03, 2013 3:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

49ersfan wrote:
DirtyJersey9er wrote:
Forge wrote:
I think we are able to roll over unused space from this year too. Can someone confirm? I mentioned it in another thread but I don't think rogers or gore are back. VD may have to restructure or sign another extension. Ahmad brooks will likely be deescalated again because I think we will see lemonier rotating in a lot for him.


Yes cap space can be rolled over to next year.


I imagine every cent that can be rolled over, will be.

I think we'll save some small amounts of money as the year goes when, for example when we get dobbs back during week 2, we could release tuakufu and save $555,000 (with no guaranteed money), etc etc.

Do you guys think our low cap space this year will prevent Iupati from signing an extension?


No, I think its more likely that happens with crabs than Iupati.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 03, 2013 3:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

49ersfan wrote:
DirtyJersey9er wrote:
Forge wrote:
I think we are able to roll over unused space from this year too. Can someone confirm? I mentioned it in another thread but I don't think rogers or gore are back. VD may have to restructure or sign another extension. Ahmad brooks will likely be deescalated again because I think we will see lemonier rotating in a lot for him.


Yes cap space can be rolled over to next year.


I imagine every cent that can be rolled over, will be.

I think we'll save some small amounts of money as the year goes when, for example when we get dobbs back during week 2, we could release tuakufu and save $555,000 (with no guaranteed money), etc etc.

Do you guys think our low cap space this year will prevent Iupati from signing an extension?

I do yes, right now my priority resignings/extending are:
1: Kaep
2: Aldon
3: Crabs
4: Iupati
5: Cully

If Patton turns out to be a monster then I wouldnt be so reluctant to let Crabs go but assuming he's nothing more than a good receiver I doubt we will be able to afford Iupati if we pay Crabs. But I have been surprised before maybe Paraag can work a miracle
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48 1/2ers wrote:
49ersfan wrote:
DirtyJersey9er wrote:
Forge wrote:
I think we are able to roll over unused space from this year too. Can someone confirm? I mentioned it in another thread but I don't think rogers or gore are back. VD may have to restructure or sign another extension. Ahmad brooks will likely be deescalated again because I think we will see lemonier rotating in a lot for him.


Yes cap space can be rolled over to next year.


I imagine every cent that can be rolled over, will be.

I think we'll save some small amounts of money as the year goes when, for example when we get dobbs back during week 2, we could release tuakufu and save $555,000 (with no guaranteed money), etc etc.

Do you guys think our low cap space this year will prevent Iupati from signing an extension?

I do yes, right now my priority resignings/extending are:
1: Kaep
2: Aldon
3: Crabs
4: Iupati
5: Cully

If Patton turns out to be a monster then I wouldnt be so reluctant to let Crabs go but assuming he's nothing more than a good receiver I doubt we will be able to afford Iupati if we pay Crabs. But I have been surprised before maybe Paraag can work a miracle


Thing is we have a potential long term replacement for Crabs in place with Patton who has a very similar game to Crabs/Boldin.

We haven't found one for Iupati yet in the draft as I feel Kilgore is lined up to replace Goodwin down the road.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 03, 2013 7:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Thing is we have a potential long term replacement for Crabs in place with Patton who has a very similar game to Crabs/Boldin.

We haven't found one for Iupati yet in the draft as I feel Kilgore is lined up to replace Goodwin down the road.

Potential replacement sure but the truth is we really wont know if Patton can replicate what Crabs does until we see him in some meaningful games. Crabtree is a top 12 receiver in this league.

Lets say Patton has a solid year but nothing crazy, 500yds 4 TDs also he doesn't seem like an overwhelming dominating force but more like a good #2, Miles Austin kinda player. I would rather him stay as a #2 if we had the choice.

Bottom line is, We have a pretty good track record of molding lineman. I think our FO would have a hell of a better chance finding or grooming a replacement for Iupati than they would for Crabs.
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48 1/2ers wrote:
DirtyJersey9er wrote:


Thing is we have a potential long term replacement for Crabs in place with Patton who has a very similar game to Crabs/Boldin.

We haven't found one for Iupati yet in the draft as I feel Kilgore is lined up to replace Goodwin down the road.

Potential replacement sure but the truth is we really wont know if Patton can replicate what Crabs does until we see him in some meaningful games. Crabtree is a top 12 receiver in this league.

Lets say Patton has a solid year but nothing crazy, 500yds 4 TDs also he doesn't seem like an overwhelming dominating force but more like a good #2, Miles Austin kinda player. I would rather him stay as a #2 if we had the choice.

Bottom line is, We have a pretty good track record of molding lineman. I think our FO would have a hell of a better chance finding or grooming a replacement for Iupati than they would for Crabs.


The way that I've been looking at it is this. IF Crabs wants big money after most likely not playing an entire year of football then we let him go and we go Atlanta Falcons style and use the many draft picks we have to move up in the draft and get Sammy Watkins. Don't know if any of you saw the game against Georgia but the kid is VERY impressive.

Just imagine this in a 49er uniform

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=POSB4eK2cOI
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 03, 2013 9:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

48 1/2ers wrote:
DirtyJersey9er wrote:


Thing is we have a potential long term replacement for Crabs in place with Patton who has a very similar game to Crabs/Boldin.

We haven't found one for Iupati yet in the draft as I feel Kilgore is lined up to replace Goodwin down the road.

Potential replacement sure but the truth is we really wont know if Patton can replicate what Crabs does until we see him in some meaningful games. Crabtree is a top 12 receiver in this league.

Lets say Patton has a solid year but nothing crazy, 500yds 4 TDs also he doesn't seem like an overwhelming dominating force but more like a good #2, Miles Austin kinda player. I would rather him stay as a #2 if we had the choice.

Bottom line is, We have a pretty good track record of molding lineman. I think our FO would have a hell of a better chance finding or grooming a replacement for Iupati than they would for Crabs.


Not my team, but I've always been a huge fan of Patton and realistically I don't see him ever being more than quality #2 receiver in this league. I view his ceiling in the NFL at what Keenan McCardell was able to achieve during his career and there is absolutely nothing wrong with that (that's stone cold steal right there in the 4th round if he can achieve that). LIS if he realizes his potential he's the type of guy that will put up his best numbers when he has a stud #1 WR working across from him.

Overall this is how I would breakdown probability of what kind of receiver he becomes in this league.

10% that he becomes a Derrick Mason or Reggie Wayne type receiver

40% that he becomes a Keenan McCardell or Peerless Price type receiver (which is awesome for the 49ers if they can retain Crabtree/ Find another legit No.1)

40% that he becomes an Earl Bennett or Harry Douglas type receiver

And

10% that he becomes the next Brandon Tate or Jordan Shipley

He looks like a good one though so I don't think there should be much concern he will land in that bottom 10%. Just my opinion feel free to rip into it if you want, but I have seen him play this preseason and I'm a big fan of his play just not his dancing. Laughing
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