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PostPosted: Wed Aug 28, 2013 4:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

big_palooka wrote:
Did someone just compare Pryor to Michael Jordan while telling us all about his meaningless college accomplishments?

That's my exit.


Highschool even
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 28, 2013 7:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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TP's talent level is Jordanic. Some don't have the vision to see that his athleticsm makes his teammates better, as they say in basketball. TP makes his line and his recievers and his backs appea to be better.


Wow. Just wow. I don't even.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 28, 2013 8:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Chali21 wrote:
wizardg wrote:
Big Red and DA tried to hand the job to Flynn.

Right now Seattle has to be laughing at us.
Why?
We gave them 2 picks for Flynn and he's recieving a garaunteed 6mil. For what?
Was there a bidding war for this guy?
Guys like Flynn you get as UFAs ...

My gripe with DA is that Mark D had to make DA play Pryor last year.

Big Red and DA's Flynn love may cost them their jobs. Because it is the cherry on top of several offensive mistakes. They appear to be lost when it comes to offense.


Here's my case for Pryor over Flynn

1. TP was the #1 player (QB) in the country as a High Schooler.

2. He was a major star in College. Only Cam had a higher QB rating of the rookies who came in his year. 3 are now starters in Cinn, Minn, and Tenn.

3. He's great at the things that you can't really teach. The areas he needs to work on are teachable.

4. TP's talent level is Jordanic. Some don't have the vision to see that his athleticsm makes his teammates better, as they say in basketball. TP makes his line and his recievers and his backs appea to be better.

How?
a. he helps the line because he is prob the hardest QB to sack in the NFL.
b. when he scrambles or rolls his speed and the threat he could take it to the house causes DBs to lose his WRs.
c. The threat of his run creats opening for the RBs.

the easiert way to defend TP is when the OC calls run-run-pass. It's hardest to defend him when the OC calls. pass-pass-pass-run-pass-pass-run.

Because any pass play for him is a potential run as well. And the more pass plays the OC calls the more frustrated and tired the DL becomes and the more relaxed TP gets because he doesn't have only one chance out of three plays to make a play. That's when he begins to take over games.

Last but not the least of my arguments is that Flynn is a bum. Just like Josh McClown was a bum.
Flynn is no better than Trent Edwards.


Flynn had a low ceiling but a floor that was higher than Pryors. Now I like Pryor Im not to sure on him but I like his abilities and potential and he has shown some growth.

To be honest we didn't give up the much for Flynn, the two second rounders were low and 6 million isn't a ton in the grand scheme of things. Besides he was only signed for 2 years. I also like it because in this situation we can promote Pryor as opposed to Palmer who's reputation and talent would demand that he remain the starter.

I am pro Pryor because he does give us the best opportunity to win right now.


we gave up 2 second rounders for flynn??



i thought it was a 5th
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 28, 2013 8:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

NCOUGHMAN wrote:
Chali21 wrote:
wizardg wrote:
Big Red and DA tried to hand the job to Flynn.

Right now Seattle has to be laughing at us.
Why?
We gave them 2 picks for Flynn and he's recieving a garaunteed 6mil. For what?
Was there a bidding war for this guy?
Guys like Flynn you get as UFAs ...

My gripe with DA is that Mark D had to make DA play Pryor last year.

Big Red and DA's Flynn love may cost them their jobs. Because it is the cherry on top of several offensive mistakes. They appear to be lost when it comes to offense.


Here's my case for Pryor over Flynn

1. TP was the #1 player (QB) in the country as a High Schooler.

2. He was a major star in College. Only Cam had a higher QB rating of the rookies who came in his year. 3 are now starters in Cinn, Minn, and Tenn.

3. He's great at the things that you can't really teach. The areas he needs to work on are teachable.

4. TP's talent level is Jordanic. Some don't have the vision to see that his athleticsm makes his teammates better, as they say in basketball. TP makes his line and his recievers and his backs appea to be better.

How?
a. he helps the line because he is prob the hardest QB to sack in the NFL.
b. when he scrambles or rolls his speed and the threat he could take it to the house causes DBs to lose his WRs.
c. The threat of his run creats opening for the RBs.

the easiert way to defend TP is when the OC calls run-run-pass. It's hardest to defend him when the OC calls. pass-pass-pass-run-pass-pass-run.

Because any pass play for him is a potential run as well. And the more pass plays the OC calls the more frustrated and tired the DL becomes and the more relaxed TP gets because he doesn't have only one chance out of three plays to make a play. That's when he begins to take over games.

Last but not the least of my arguments is that Flynn is a bum. Just like Josh McClown was a bum.
Flynn is no better than Trent Edwards.


Flynn had a low ceiling but a floor that was higher than Pryors. Now I like Pryor Im not to sure on him but I like his abilities and potential and he has shown some growth.

To be honest we didn't give up the much for Flynn, the two second rounders were low and 6 million isn't a ton in the grand scheme of things. Besides he was only signed for 2 years. I also like it because in this situation we can promote Pryor as opposed to Palmer who's reputation and talent would demand that he remain the starter.

I am pro Pryor because he does give us the best opportunity to win right now.


we gave up 2 second rounders for flynn??



i thought it was a 5th


Obviously a typo 2 low round picks
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 28, 2013 8:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Silver&Black88 wrote:
wizardg wrote:
TP's talent level is Jordanic. Some don't have the vision to see that his athleticsm makes his teammates better, as they say in basketball. TP makes his line and his recievers and his backs appea to be better.


Wow. Just wow. I don't even.


surprised someone hasnt sig quoted that yet lol dam "Jordanic" Laughing
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 28, 2013 8:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

DirtyHarry wrote:
NCOUGHMAN wrote:
Chali21 wrote:
wizardg wrote:
Big Red and DA tried to hand the job to Flynn.

Right now Seattle has to be laughing at us.
Why?
We gave them 2 picks for Flynn and he's recieving a garaunteed 6mil. For what?
Was there a bidding war for this guy?
Guys like Flynn you get as UFAs ...

My gripe with DA is that Mark D had to make DA play Pryor last year.

Big Red and DA's Flynn love may cost them their jobs. Because it is the cherry on top of several offensive mistakes. They appear to be lost when it comes to offense.


Here's my case for Pryor over Flynn

1. TP was the #1 player (QB) in the country as a High Schooler.

2. He was a major star in College. Only Cam had a higher QB rating of the rookies who came in his year. 3 are now starters in Cinn, Minn, and Tenn.

3. He's great at the things that you can't really teach. The areas he needs to work on are teachable.

4. TP's talent level is Jordanic. Some don't have the vision to see that his athleticsm makes his teammates better, as they say in basketball. TP makes his line and his recievers and his backs appea to be better.

How?
a. he helps the line because he is prob the hardest QB to sack in the NFL.
b. when he scrambles or rolls his speed and the threat he could take it to the house causes DBs to lose his WRs.
c. The threat of his run creats opening for the RBs.

the easiert way to defend TP is when the OC calls run-run-pass. It's hardest to defend him when the OC calls. pass-pass-pass-run-pass-pass-run.

Because any pass play for him is a potential run as well. And the more pass plays the OC calls the more frustrated and tired the DL becomes and the more relaxed TP gets because he doesn't have only one chance out of three plays to make a play. That's when he begins to take over games.

Last but not the least of my arguments is that Flynn is a bum. Just like Josh McClown was a bum.
Flynn is no better than Trent Edwards.


Flynn had a low ceiling but a floor that was higher than Pryors. Now I like Pryor Im not to sure on him but I like his abilities and potential and he has shown some growth.

To be honest we didn't give up the much for Flynn, the two second rounders were low and 6 million isn't a ton in the grand scheme of things. Besides he was only signed for 2 years. I also like it because in this situation we can promote Pryor as opposed to Palmer who's reputation and talent would demand that he remain the starter.

I am pro Pryor because he does give us the best opportunity to win right now.


we gave up 2 second rounders for flynn??



i thought it was a 5th


Obviously a typo 2 low round picks


Yep thats what I meant. Embarassed
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 28, 2013 8:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

NCOUGHMAN wrote:
Silver&Black88 wrote:
wizardg wrote:
TP's talent level is Jordanic. Some don't have the vision to see that his athleticsm makes his teammates better, as they say in basketball. TP makes his line and his recievers and his backs appea to be better.


Wow. Just wow. I don't even.


surprised someone hasnt sig quoted that yet lol dam "Jordanic" Laughing


Yeah, ain't that something? Laughing


Yo, I've been bumping Pac for a while tonight too. Great for getting your swell on. West cost isn't so bad after all.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 28, 2013 9:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Silver&Black88 wrote:
wizardg wrote:
TP's talent level is Jordanic. Some don't have the vision to see that his athleticsm makes his teammates better, as they say in basketball. TP makes his line and his recievers and his backs appea to be better.


Wow. Just wow. I don't even.


Right.... it's this over inflated nonsense that gets under my skin.

Why in the hell can't we just see the guy play and take it day by day. The Pryor fans are just like the Tebow fans. They just keep beating you over the head w/ their outlandish opinions until you want to puke.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 28, 2013 10:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

big_palooka wrote:
Silver&Black88 wrote:
wizardg wrote:
TP's talent level is Jordanic. Some don't have the vision to see that his athleticsm makes his teammates better, as they say in basketball. TP makes his line and his recievers and his backs appea to be better.


Wow. Just wow. I don't even.


Right.... it's this over inflated nonsense that gets under my skin.

Why in the hell can't we just see the guy play and take it day by day. The Pryor fans are just like the Tebow fans. They just keep beating you over the head w/ their outlandish opinions until you want to puke.


TP's puke is "Jordanic" fwiw Laughing

thats my new fav word Laughing
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 28, 2013 10:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

big_palooka wrote:
Silver&Black88 wrote:
wizardg wrote:
TP's talent level is Jordanic. Some don't have the vision to see that his athleticsm makes his teammates better, as they say in basketball. TP makes his line and his recievers and his backs appea to be better.


Wow. Just wow. I don't even.


Right.... it's this over inflated nonsense that gets under my skin.

Why in the hell can't we just see the guy play and take it day by day. The Pryor fans are just like the Tebow fans. They just keep beating you over the head w/ their outlandish opinions until you want to puke.


I'm wondering what's going to happen if Pryor plays like he did against the Saints (who have one of the worst defenses in the NFL). Seahawks have one of the best. What if his stat line is like 7/18 90 yards and 3 picks?
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Raiiiiidersssss wrote:
big_palooka wrote:
Silver&Black88 wrote:
wizardg wrote:
TP's talent level is Jordanic. Some don't have the vision to see that his athleticsm makes his teammates better, as they say in basketball. TP makes his line and his recievers and his backs appea to be better.


Wow. Just wow. I don't even.


Right.... it's this over inflated nonsense that gets under my skin.

Why in the hell can't we just see the guy play and take it day by day. The Pryor fans are just like the Tebow fans. They just keep beating you over the head w/ their outlandish opinions until you want to puke.


I'm wondering what's going to happen if Pryor plays like he did against the Saints (who have one of the worst defenses in the NFL). Seahawks have one of the best. What if his stat line is like 7/18 90 yards and 3 picks?


I've wondered too. Pandemonium ensues, I would imagine.
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Raiiiiidersssss wrote:
big_palooka wrote:
Silver&Black88 wrote:
wizardg wrote:
TP's talent level is Jordanic. Some don't have the vision to see that his athleticsm makes his teammates better, as they say in basketball. TP makes his line and his recievers and his backs appea to be better.


Wow. Just wow. I don't even.


Right.... it's this over inflated nonsense that gets under my skin.

Why in the hell can't we just see the guy play and take it day by day. The Pryor fans are just like the Tebow fans. They just keep beating you over the head w/ their outlandish opinions until you want to puke.


I'm wondering what's going to happen if Pryor plays like he did against the Saints (who have one of the worst defenses in the NFL). Seahawks have one of the best. What if his stat line is like 7/18 90 yards and 3 picks?


we get to watch flynn throw ducks for the first 3 weeks of the season while having his arm iced in between each quarter
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 28, 2013 11:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Raiiiiidersssss wrote:
big_palooka wrote:
Silver&Black88 wrote:
wizardg wrote:
TP's talent level is Jordanic. Some don't have the vision to see that his athleticsm makes his teammates better, as they say in basketball. TP makes his line and his recievers and his backs appea to be better.


Wow. Just wow. I don't even.


Right.... it's this over inflated nonsense that gets under my skin.

Why in the hell can't we just see the guy play and take it day by day. The Pryor fans are just like the Tebow fans. They just keep beating you over the head w/ their outlandish opinions until you want to puke.


I'm wondering what's going to happen if Pryor plays like he did against the Saints (who have one of the worst defenses in the NFL). Seahawks have one of the best. What if his stat line is like 7/18 90 yards and 3 picks?


Go directly to the apologist handbook:

WR have got to work harder to get open.
The OL has to maintain their blocks better.
Blame the playcalling.
Blame lack of support from the organization.
Blame the defense that will be on the field FOREVER with all the 3 and outs we'll see.
Blame injuries.
Cite the margin of loss as a moral victory
Cite how excited you were

or the best "go to" he just needs more time, another season, etc. etc.
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Can Matt Flynn hold field goals.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 29, 2013 12:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Baggabonez wrote:
Raiiiiidersssss wrote:
big_palooka wrote:
Silver&Black88 wrote:
wizardg wrote:
TP's talent level is Jordanic. Some don't have the vision to see that his athleticsm makes his teammates better, as they say in basketball. TP makes his line and his recievers and his backs appea to be better.


Wow. Just wow. I don't even.


Right.... it's this over inflated nonsense that gets under my skin.

Why in the hell can't we just see the guy play and take it day by day. The Pryor fans are just like the Tebow fans. They just keep beating you over the head w/ their outlandish opinions until you want to puke.


I'm wondering what's going to happen if Pryor plays like he did against the Saints (who have one of the worst defenses in the NFL). Seahawks have one of the best. What if his stat line is like 7/18 90 yards and 3 picks?


Go directly to the apologist handbook:

WR have got to work harder to get open.
The OL has to maintain their blocks better.
Blame the playcalling.
Blame lack of support from the organization.
Blame the defense that will be on the field FOREVER with all the 3 and outs we'll see.
Blame injuries.
Cite the margin of loss as a moral victory
Cite how excited you were

or the best "go to" he just needs more time, another season, etc. etc.


sounds like you were talking about every qb we've had the last decade Laughing
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