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PostPosted: Tue Aug 27, 2013 10:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

palmy50 wrote:
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I'm 100% in favor of trading whoever will get the higher compensation: Williams or Bostick (ideally Williams, trade one and put the other on the roster.)

Wouldn't trade Finley unless compensation is so extreme you couldn't turn it down. I'm not sure anybody would want to trade for any of the rest of them.


I play the Finley thing out. Some things have changed in that mans life off the field and the sky is the limit if he molds into a true pro. Has a game that will age VERY well also.

IMO, that would leave ya Bostick, Mulligan and Williams as the tradable parts. No way will they trade Mulligan. Man is BY FAR the best run blocker in this TE group and that's a skill that could very well be lacking up front on this years Packers team. This staff also knows Bostick far better than others so there is a good chance the comp for him would not be enough in the eyes of TT. Kinda the same deal with Q. This staff knows that knee far better than any of us do.

Williams is the one I would try to move. Good little TE/H-back but it's very clear to me that he is less than ideal in Mac's system. Move would come with some risk though. I doubt Taylor/Stoneburner make this team so should Kuhn go down the trade of Williams might not play out well.

Taylor has been sticking around because of special teams. You think that changes this season?
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dijatool wrote:
palmy50 wrote:
PossibleCabbage wrote:
I'm 100% in favor of trading whoever will get the higher compensation: Williams or Bostick (ideally Williams, trade one and put the other on the roster.)

Wouldn't trade Finley unless compensation is so extreme you couldn't turn it down. I'm not sure anybody would want to trade for any of the rest of them.


I play the Finley thing out. Some things have changed in that mans life off the field and the sky is the limit if he molds into a true pro. Has a game that will age VERY well also.

IMO, that would leave ya Bostick, Mulligan and Williams as the tradable parts. No way will they trade Mulligan. Man is BY FAR the best run blocker in this TE group and that's a skill that could very well be lacking up front on this years Packers team. This staff also knows Bostick far better than others so there is a good chance the comp for him would not be enough in the eyes of TT. Kinda the same deal with Q. This staff knows that knee far better than any of us do.

Williams is the one I would try to move. Good little TE/H-back but it's very clear to me that he is less than ideal in Mac's system. Move would come with some risk though. I doubt Taylor/Stoneburner make this team so should Kuhn go down the trade of Williams might not play out well.

Taylor has been sticking around because of special teams. You think that changes this season?


I don't think he's worth it. Everyone keeps calling him a special teams ace. just don't see it. Plus he never plays offense, even in the preseason.
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blankman0021 wrote:
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Not sure why everyone thinks Williams is so expendable..


Yeah, impossible to replace those 9 catches over the last two years...

Been nothing but a disappointment. I remember all the playing time he got in the season opener vs. the Saints in 2011. He had every chance to succeed but just couldn't put it together. If we got a conditional 7th for him it'd be a miracle.


To be fair here, I haven't watched the last few games extremely closely. But- the few times that I've noticed Williams he has been doing well for being in a reserve role.

I think the kid has a place on this roster if he keeps working hard. TE is definitely a sum of all parts position and he may not be the best at anything but he seems to be pretty competent at most things. He just needs a chance and a little confidence from MM and Rodgers to put him in the important places to see if he comes through.


You should watch closer. He's shown awful hands. In the first two games he had 5 drops.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 27, 2013 11:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

AlexGreen#20 wrote:
blankman0021 wrote:
GBPACKMAN4LIFE wrote:
ChaRisMa wrote:
Not sure why everyone thinks Williams is so expendable..


Yeah, impossible to replace those 9 catches over the last two years...

Been nothing but a disappointment. I remember all the playing time he got in the season opener vs. the Saints in 2011. He had every chance to succeed but just couldn't put it together. If we got a conditional 7th for him it'd be a miracle.


To be fair here, I haven't watched the last few games extremely closely. But- the few times that I've noticed Williams he has been doing well for being in a reserve role.

I think the kid has a place on this roster if he keeps working hard. TE is definitely a sum of all parts position and he may not be the best at anything but he seems to be pretty competent at most things. He just needs a chance and a little confidence from MM and Rodgers to put him in the important places to see if he comes through.


You should watch closer. He's shown awful hands. In the first two games he had 5 drops.


He is also the next best blocker on that unit behind Mulligan. Williams and Taylor are the tough calls IMO. I would definitely stick with Finley and Mulligan. Based on what I have seen in camp, you can pretty much make a case for all except Stoneburner. Potential versus who is going to help you now in what role.....

I think they will pencil in the first two, figure out the rest of the must keeps, and work through the TE / FB and back up LB positions based on what else they think they will need in specific offensive sets, their D depth and STs.
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dijatool wrote:
palmy50 wrote:
PossibleCabbage wrote:
I'm 100% in favor of trading whoever will get the higher compensation: Williams or Bostick (ideally Williams, trade one and put the other on the roster.)

Wouldn't trade Finley unless compensation is so extreme you couldn't turn it down. I'm not sure anybody would want to trade for any of the rest of them.


I play the Finley thing out. Some things have changed in that mans life off the field and the sky is the limit if he molds into a true pro. Has a game that will age VERY well also.

IMO, that would leave ya Bostick, Mulligan and Williams as the tradable parts. No way will they trade Mulligan. Man is BY FAR the best run blocker in this TE group and that's a skill that could very well be lacking up front on this years Packers team. This staff also knows Bostick far better than others so there is a good chance the comp for him would not be enough in the eyes of TT. Kinda the same deal with Q. This staff knows that knee far better than any of us do.

Williams is the one I would try to move. Good little TE/H-back but it's very clear to me that he is less than ideal in Mac's system. Move would come with some risk though. I doubt Taylor/Stoneburner make this team so should Kuhn go down the trade of Williams might not play out well.

Taylor has been sticking around because of special teams. You think that changes this season?


Taylor is the best ST's player of the group. I view him about the same way I view Ross though. Just no upside at the skills positions IMO. Going to be some good football players cut from this Packers team. Is what those two bring ya enough?
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 27, 2013 1:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

palmy50 wrote:
dijatool wrote:
palmy50 wrote:
PossibleCabbage wrote:
I'm 100% in favor of trading whoever will get the higher compensation: Williams or Bostick (ideally Williams, trade one and put the other on the roster.)

Wouldn't trade Finley unless compensation is so extreme you couldn't turn it down. I'm not sure anybody would want to trade for any of the rest of them.


I play the Finley thing out. Some things have changed in that mans life off the field and the sky is the limit if he molds into a true pro. Has a game that will age VERY well also.

IMO, that would leave ya Bostick, Mulligan and Williams as the tradable parts. No way will they trade Mulligan. Man is BY FAR the best run blocker in this TE group and that's a skill that could very well be lacking up front on this years Packers team. This staff also knows Bostick far better than others so there is a good chance the comp for him would not be enough in the eyes of TT. Kinda the same deal with Q. This staff knows that knee far better than any of us do.

Williams is the one I would try to move. Good little TE/H-back but it's very clear to me that he is less than ideal in Mac's system. Move would come with some risk though. I doubt Taylor/Stoneburner make this team so should Kuhn go down the trade of Williams might not play out well.

Taylor has been sticking around because of special teams. You think that changes this season?


Taylor is the best ST's player of the group. I view him about the same way I view Ross though. Just no upside at the skills positions IMO. Going to be some good football players cut from this Packers team. Is what those two bring ya enough?


Ross takes an already injured Randall Cobb off ST's so yes he brings enough. Taylor can be replaced by a new player like Barrington or Palmer on ST's so I would lean no there.
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Maybe DJ Williams but my guess the only TE other than Williams with enough upside to trade for is Brandon Bostick. Quarless maybe but he is a roll of the dice with his recent history.
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Packerraymond wrote:
palmy50 wrote:
dijatool wrote:
palmy50 wrote:
PossibleCabbage wrote:
I'm 100% in favor of trading whoever will get the higher compensation: Williams or Bostick (ideally Williams, trade one and put the other on the roster.)

Wouldn't trade Finley unless compensation is so extreme you couldn't turn it down. I'm not sure anybody would want to trade for any of the rest of them.


I play the Finley thing out. Some things have changed in that mans life off the field and the sky is the limit if he molds into a true pro. Has a game that will age VERY well also.

IMO, that would leave ya Bostick, Mulligan and Williams as the tradable parts. No way will they trade Mulligan. Man is BY FAR the best run blocker in this TE group and that's a skill that could very well be lacking up front on this years Packers team. This staff also knows Bostick far better than others so there is a good chance the comp for him would not be enough in the eyes of TT. Kinda the same deal with Q. This staff knows that knee far better than any of us do.

Williams is the one I would try to move. Good little TE/H-back but it's very clear to me that he is less than ideal in Mac's system. Move would come with some risk though. I doubt Taylor/Stoneburner make this team so should Kuhn go down the trade of Williams might not play out well.

Taylor has been sticking around because of special teams. You think that changes this season?


Taylor is the best ST's player of the group. I view him about the same way I view Ross though. Just no upside at the skills positions IMO. Going to be some good football players cut from this Packers team. Is what those two bring ya enough?


Ross takes an already injured Randall Cobb off ST's so yes he brings enough. Taylor can be replaced by a new player like Barrington or Palmer on ST's so I would lean no there.


I would place a bit more stock in Ross as well. Still going to be a tough keep to swallow for me after I see the cuts though, I bet.
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palmy50 wrote:
Packerraymond wrote:
palmy50 wrote:
dijatool wrote:
palmy50 wrote:
PossibleCabbage wrote:
I'm 100% in favor of trading whoever will get the higher compensation: Williams or Bostick (ideally Williams, trade one and put the other on the roster.)

Wouldn't trade Finley unless compensation is so extreme you couldn't turn it down. I'm not sure anybody would want to trade for any of the rest of them.


I play the Finley thing out. Some things have changed in that mans life off the field and the sky is the limit if he molds into a true pro. Has a game that will age VERY well also.

IMO, that would leave ya Bostick, Mulligan and Williams as the tradable parts. No way will they trade Mulligan. Man is BY FAR the best run blocker in this TE group and that's a skill that could very well be lacking up front on this years Packers team. This staff also knows Bostick far better than others so there is a good chance the comp for him would not be enough in the eyes of TT. Kinda the same deal with Q. This staff knows that knee far better than any of us do.

Williams is the one I would try to move. Good little TE/H-back but it's very clear to me that he is less than ideal in Mac's system. Move would come with some risk though. I doubt Taylor/Stoneburner make this team so should Kuhn go down the trade of Williams might not play out well.

Taylor has been sticking around because of special teams. You think that changes this season?


Taylor is the best ST's player of the group. I view him about the same way I view Ross though. Just no upside at the skills positions IMO. Going to be some good football players cut from this Packers team. Is what those two bring ya enough?


Ross takes an already injured Randall Cobb off ST's so yes he brings enough. Taylor can be replaced by a new player like Barrington or Palmer on ST's so I would lean no there.


I would place a bit more stock in Ross as well. Still going to be a tough keep to swallow for me after I see the cuts though, I bet.


I think Ross being the primary back-up to Cobb on offense will also play a factor due to Cobb's current injury. If I remember back to spring practice, coaches were excited about Ross' ability to bust some gadget plays. That's how Cobb's career started here too, I hope Ross is a guy that sticks around. I think he may have some potential as a slant/screen YAC guy. He and Boykin have me cautiously excited, Boykin looks like 10 pounds heavier, with good weight too.
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I can see your point there and if your looking for THAT GUY Ross could be it. Man's a stud with the ball in his hands. The issue is getting it there. I just don't see any real upside for him at WR. Man is stiff, not a natural catcher of the football, and has no clue how to get open. I very much so view him as a poor mans Robert Ferguson. Just sayin, if I was going to be cautiously optimistic about one of them molding into a player it would be Boykin by a wide margin.
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Right now it's Ross vs Walker. I believe we'll only keep 5. I think Ross can stay with us for at least one year. Play him only as in a punt return role. Rarely on Offense. I don't think he's quite a receiver yet.
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Gopackgonerd wrote:
Right now it's Ross vs Walker. I believe we'll only keep 5. I think Ross can stay with us for at least one year. Play him only as in a punt return role. Rarely on Offense. I don't think he's quite a receiver yet.


Not like I would cry about keeping Ross. Some others have helped his odds and you can find athletes like Walker post draft every year. Was just sayin really.
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Can Ross block well? From what I've seen this preseason, I'd say he's average for a receiver. If he could get that down, him blocking for Cobb on WR screens could be interesting, as he's got more weight on him than the other WRs.
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Can Ross block well? From what I've seen this preseason, I'd say he's average for a receiver. If he could get that down, him blocking for Cobb on WR screens could be interesting, as he's got more weight on him than the other WRs.


Grades out very well in this area. Grades well in all the passion areas to tell the truth. Prideful kid right there. One of the reasons why I have long term doubts as well though. The issues I see with him are no easy fix.
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palmy50 wrote:
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Can Ross block well? From what I've seen this preseason, I'd say he's average for a receiver. If he could get that down, him blocking for Cobb on WR screens could be interesting, as he's got more weight on him than the other WRs.


Grades out very well in this area. Grades well in all the passion areas to tell the truth. Prideful kid right there. One of the reasons why I have long term doubts as well though. The issues I see with him are no easy fix.


In the game against the Cardinals I remembered keying in on him and he was blocking really well that day.
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