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PostPosted: Wed Jun 19, 2013 12:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm sure many will dismiss anything I'm about to say, but if not, read on.

First, you need to understand this kid came from Kerrville, TX, population of less than 25K people. While close to San Antonio (my home town), it's not close enough to go there but maybe once a month. Point being, he's a small town kid, and as such, probably a little less experienced in the real world.

Conversely Bridgewater is from Miami, and AJ McCarron is form Mobile (600K population). Very different demographics than Kerrville.

Next, understand that College Station, while cool for a lot of folks, is a pretty small town itself. It has a lot of college appeal for many people, but there's no big city type of nightlife, or things most college age people look for first.

Also understand that Texas A&M has one of the largest student bodies in the country (53K undergraduate last year ranks in the top 3 or so nationally), and a huge alumni association that is usually one of the richest. A&M is a football school, through and through, and even more so it's Alumni is football focused. We could win the college world series, and less than 10% of the students would even know. A&M football has also been through a decade of very poor performances, but even more important to this specific situation, hasn't had a real top level QB since maybe Bucky Richardson in the early 90's.

Point is, this school will put a huge amount of pressure on him. And since the community is so relatively small, and concentrated to just A&M football, he cannot escape it. And lastly, I'm sure it's absolutely nothing he's really had to deal with before. He was the BMOC at Kerrville-Tivy, and he probably got free cherry-limeades at Sonic whenever he went there, but that's nothing compared to what he's experienced in the last 10 months.

It's one thing if this guy was in his 2nd-3rd year in the NFL, or even 3-4 years in college, but he's been in this situation for all of about 10 months now. He's not had any time to learn from his mistakes. Give him some time, and so long as he doesn't do anything seriously wrong, I think we'll see him mature. If not, by that time, we can start being a little judgmental.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 19, 2013 1:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The guy is a college student saying he can't wait until he's done. Um....why does that deserve criticism? Isn't that the definition of basically every college student? Completely do not understand why this warrants any attention. The guy has a right to vent if he was having a bad day.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 19, 2013 2:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My only issues with Manziel are his game.. and his (in my view) whining. I don't have a problem with whatever his college lifestyle is.. and I agree it's unfair that his spotlight gets him called out on it. But.. he and his handlers need to know better than to say anything (like walk in my shoes.. lol cmon). Just take it in stride!

As for his on field game.. enjoy watching it lots at the college level.. I see no way he translates to the NFL.. he's a total backyard QB!

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 19, 2013 2:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I'm sure many will dismiss anything I'm about to say, but if not, read on.


I've actually been eagerly waiting for you to chime in man. I agree with a lot of what you're saying in terms of he has time to mature, and I guess what I'm saying is he needs to stay in college, keep his nose clean and I think it will do wonders for his success down the road.

As far as what you said Jak, it was less about the "I can't wait to be outta here" which I still think is a slight to A & M, and personally I was a poor no talent waste of space that spent most of my time playing video games and in the library so...college wasn't so bad for me. I think a lot of people don't want to leave college but it happens. And second, most people say I can't wait to graduate, his word choice makes it seem like he's all bout being outta there the second he's able. I more dislike his, "walk in my shoes" feel sorry for me "apology" tweet. And honestly if it wasn't something that his "people" knew would raise a stir...it wouldn't have been deleted.

The bottom line is this, the kid is in a situation most of us would trade at least 1 testicle to be in, so it is all to easy for us armchair QBs to judge him. But at the same time, he knows the situation he's in, yet he publicizes himself via twitter etc., and it is going to bring peoples judgement. If he doesn't understand that, then one of his "handlers" as someone called him need to take his twitter feed away.

Like I said, I want for the kid to be successful, I want for him to overcome issues, grow on the field and prove last season he wasn't just an athletic fluke. But right now, if I'm a GM, I just don't know he's at the top of my draft boards.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 19, 2013 3:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I held off because partly I figured everyone pretty much knew my feelings, but also because I truly do not want to think he's a dirtbag or whatever. I did some very dumb things at his age, but I had the freedom of anonymity, and intelligence/experience not to publicize my immediate emotions to anyone that would listen.

I also know that it can be misleading dealing with faceless "followers" on the internet, thinking they hang on your every word, and will support/side with you no matter what.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 19, 2013 3:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bigs, I agree with you completely. And I too think we don't understand what his life is like. I thought initially when we stopped tweeting for a while he had understood that while it is fun and awesome to have that loyal hoard of adoring fans...things like the casino pick or the recent tweet can go truly the wrong way too. Guess not. And I don't think the kid is a dirtbag, or at least I don't want to think so.

Right now however I just feel like he is a kid who doesn't understand the magnitude of his actions considering the position he is in.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 19, 2013 5:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

All that, and it puts him in the bag with several hundred college athletes who might feel the same way, but without the press and their expectations piled on him. So is he realllly much different? I think not. He just needs to be a little more introspective with his thoughts and actions, and learn how to handle his emotions. Age will take care of most of that....hope its not too late when he gets there.

Not a fan, not a hater, just a guy watching college football and want to see him do well....but with an opinion.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 19, 2013 7:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

DT58 wrote:
As far as what you said Jak, it was less about the "I can't wait to be outta here" which I still think is a slight to A & M, and personally I was a poor no talent waste of space that spent most of my time playing video games and in the library so...college wasn't so bad for me. I think a lot of people don't want to leave college but it happens. And second, most people say I can't wait to graduate, his word choice makes it seem like he's all bout being outta there the second he's able. I more dislike his, "walk in my shoes" feel sorry for me "apology" tweet. And honestly if it wasn't something that his "people" knew would raise a stir...it wouldn't have been deleted.

But you're taking it out of context.

His tweet actually said:
“Bull[expletive] like tonight is a reason why I can’t wait to leave College Station … whenever it may be"

Sounds to me like he was having a bad night and vented like most people his age do.

If I ever had a chance to "walk in his shoes" I'd probably have nights like that too. Couldn't even imagine having thousands of people in your town idolizing you. Sounds like fun at first but would get old real fast for me.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 20, 2013 8:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Chiefer I agree we all have crappy days. To me it's more about how he handled it. And I agree he's young and gets to make mistakes, and this in no way is like getting arrested (again) or anything like that.

To me it's more about hoping he matures and learns from his actions, and we all want to say "he's a college kid...blah blah blah, I did the same things...yada yada yada." But honestly he NEEDS to understand his situation or it will destroy him. He's not "just" a normal college kid. And honestly he has two choices, if he wants to be a normal kid out of the limelight, walk away from football. If he understandably doesn't want to do that, then he will need to learn to cope with some of these things. I'm not saying that is good, bad, or indifferent, but it's the truth. We live in a society where far too man people want to know every single detail of the lives of famous people, and far to many of those are willing to give it.

Do I need to know he had a crappy day? No, just like I don't need to know what new ridiculous tattoo that Beiber girl got. But if you are famous, and you vent/make a mistake etc. You might as well leave it up on twitter or whatnot...cause the media already has it.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 25, 2013 11:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

So as it turned out.. he was mad over a parking ticket.. does this change the "just a bad day" viewpoints at all?

A parking ticket!! Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 25, 2013 12:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Arrowhead86 wrote:
So as it turned out.. he was mad over a parking ticket.. does this change the "just a bad day" viewpoints at all?

A parking ticket!! Rolling Eyes

So let's revisit what he said - "Bull---- like tonight is a reason why I can't wait to leave college station...whenever it may be"

This in response to a parking ticket. Definitely an excessive response, but... the College Station police spend an inordinate amount of time trying to raise revenue. Because the city is out of balance from what is the normal tax base of a city it's size, they find creative ways to generate revenue like giving tickets for the smallest infraction, and the fines can be heavy.

I once parked about 3 feet past the end of a parking zone street side, and got a boot on my truck that kept me from being able to leave, and had to pay the tow company about $70 to come out and remove the boot, after paying around a $100 fine for the "illegal" parking.

So with that, here is what was reported about the specifics of Manzeil's ticket:
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Manziel, the 2012 Heisman Trophy winner, had been fishing in Port Aransas on Saturday and was still on the coast when he talked over the phone to an officer, who wrote him a ticket for being parked the wrong way in front of his house and for his windows being tinted too dark (his vehicle was in College Station while he was with friends in Port Aransas).


When he says he can't wait to leave College Station, I believe he's thinking about silly things like this that can cost an arm and a leg. Not to make this political, but what if he had said I can't wait for a new Governor, or President, because he didn't agree with the policies? I think he's essentially saying the same thing, but without any context, which is the downfall of twitter. If he had said, "I wish the CS police would not worry about dumb things like parking the wrong direction," no one would have said a word about how that was immature or childish, except he probably would have had more "help" from the local law enforcement. Maybe he was worried about that, and in an effort to try and not draw the ire of the police, made a general statement that then was misinterpreted by millions.

Have we beat this horse enough?
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 25, 2013 3:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I mean, if he's parked facing the wrong direction, he kind of deserves a ticket. But anyway, I think this is clearly just a case of a kid venting without thinking through repercussions. Which I'll say again is exactly why he needs to stay in school and mature some more.

Bigs, just to play devil's advocate, he could just as easily have been saying I'm Johnny Manziel...the guy talked to me and still gave me a ticket?

We all know people with fame get away with things that us normal folk would never get away with. I'm glad they ticketed him for those things because honestly, they would have done it to anyone.

But I agree Bigs, there is a lot we don't know. Which is why I've said the whole time, kid is immature, but certainly many of us were at that point in our lives. He just needs to understand he IS NOT a normal college sophomore or whatever he is now.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 25, 2013 8:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Arrowhead86 wrote:
So as it turned out.. he was mad over a parking ticket.. does this change the "just a bad day" viewpoints at all?

A parking ticket!! Rolling Eyes

You know it was just a parking ticket?

There probably was a entire day before that ticket too...

If he acts like that over every ticket the I'd be worried.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 28, 2013 4:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/ncaaf-dr-saturday/georgia-quarterback-aaron-murray-surprises-thrills-96-old-162858740.html

And this is how the media can help a guy out...
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 07, 2013 7:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My grain of salt has withered down to a spec of dust with this guy. I'm actually to the point of pity to an extent. That piece on his dad was pretty alarming, and honestly, explains a lot of what has gone on off the field for Manziel. And now this autograph stuff, which I think by itself would be dismissed as some leach trying to make money (which it may indeed be), but after everything else, it makes me wonder, is he really that dumb. In that vein, Kirk Herbstreit summed it up nicely yesterday:

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In disbelief, Herbstreit said, “Let me put this in perspective for fans. Almost every single person that signs a letter of intent to play high-level athletics, especially high-level college football, understands that you’re not supposed to take money.”

“Now the guy who wins the Heisman Trophy, times 100, knows and is aware that you can’t sign things for money. Now imagine being that person. Imagine walking into a room trying to be sneaky, and people that you don’t know have a camera phone on you as you’re signing Texas A&M helmets and footballs.”

“Is he that dumb? Could he possibly have done that? Either that’s the most outrageous story, or he’s the dumbest human being to ever play college football.

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