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PostPosted: Sat Jun 22, 2013 12:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

An arrest warrant for obstruction of justice will be issues against Aaron Hernandez.

Police discovered that the security system at Hernadez's home and his cellphone were destroyed.

Police were at Hernandez's home again on Thursday.

Hernandez's cellphone was handed over to investigators "in pieces" by his attorneys, sources added.

Hernandez's mansion was also cleaned on Monday.

Surveillance video from the North Attleborough, Mass., neighborhood of Hernandez shows him with Odin Lloyd and two other people hours before Lloyd was killed earlier this week.

Lloyd was dating the sister of Hernandez's girlfriend.


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http://espn.go.com/boston/nfl/story/_/id/9409826/police-expected-issue-arrest-warrant-aaron-hernandez-new-england-patriots-reports-abc-news
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 22, 2013 12:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

A multi-millionaire bringing in people to clean his house isn't exactly abnormal.

He smashed his phone, but sometimes people get angry about what's going on and smash things. His lawyer could easily make it seem like Aaron was just on an emotional roller coaster knowing the person he was with just the other day was dead and took out his anger on the only thing he had in his hands. The investigators should be able to recover anything still on the hard drive of the phone. If they don't find anything incriminating, that really ends the phone smashing thing.

Some of the other stuff would be easy for a lawyer to give enough doubt in it being related as well.

Nothing coming out is all that damning at all.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 22, 2013 12:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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A multi-millionaire bringing in people to clean his house isn't exactly abnormal.

He smashed his phone, but sometimes people get angry about what's going on and smash things. His lawyer could easily make it seem like Aaron was just on an emotional roller coaster knowing the person he was with just the other day was dead and took out his anger on the only thing he had in his hands. The investigators should be able to recover anything still on the hard drive of the phone. If they don't find anything incriminating, that really ends the phone smashing thing.

Some of the other stuff would be easy for a lawyer to give enough doubt in it being related as well.

Nothing coming out is all that damning at all.


And how would you explain smashing the home surveillance system?
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24isthelaw wrote:
iPwn wrote:
A multi-millionaire bringing in people to clean his house isn't exactly abnormal.

He smashed his phone, but sometimes people get angry about what's going on and smash things. His lawyer could easily make it seem like Aaron was just on an emotional roller coaster knowing the person he was with just the other day was dead and took out his anger on the only thing he had in his hands. The investigators should be able to recover anything still on the hard drive of the phone. If they don't find anything incriminating, that really ends the phone smashing thing.

Some of the other stuff would be easy for a lawyer to give enough doubt in it being related as well.

Nothing coming out is all that damning at all.


And how would you explain smashing the home surveillance system?


The cleaners broke it haha
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24isthelaw wrote:
iPwn wrote:
A multi-millionaire bringing in people to clean his house isn't exactly abnormal.

He smashed his phone, but sometimes people get angry about what's going on and smash things. His lawyer could easily make it seem like Aaron was just on an emotional roller coaster knowing the person he was with just the other day was dead and took out his anger on the only thing he had in his hands. The investigators should be able to recover anything still on the hard drive of the phone. If they don't find anything incriminating, that really ends the phone smashing thing.

Some of the other stuff would be easy for a lawyer to give enough doubt in it being related as well.

Nothing coming out is all that damning at all.


And how would you explain smashing the home surveillance system?
Depends on what all was broke and where in/around the house the things were.

If he destroyed a ton of stuff in his house because he was upset that a guy that was kinda family to him (their girlfriends being sisters) and some of that happened to be surveillance equipment inside the house, that's not all that damning. And it also explains why he had people come clean his house.

Not saying that is what has happened or anything, but people are too quick to tie all this together as seeming absolute when there's so many other possibilities that it could be. After all, if this does go to trial, all Hernandez is going to have to do is put reasonable doubt in the jury's eyes and he will be back to playing on Sundays without much more than a minor hiccup in his career.
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iPwn wrote:
24isthelaw wrote:
iPwn wrote:
A multi-millionaire bringing in people to clean his house isn't exactly abnormal.

He smashed his phone, but sometimes people get angry about what's going on and smash things. His lawyer could easily make it seem like Aaron was just on an emotional roller coaster knowing the person he was with just the other day was dead and took out his anger on the only thing he had in his hands. The investigators should be able to recover anything still on the hard drive of the phone. If they don't find anything incriminating, that really ends the phone smashing thing.

Some of the other stuff would be easy for a lawyer to give enough doubt in it being related as well.

Nothing coming out is all that damning at all.


And how would you explain smashing the home surveillance system?
Depends on what all was broke and where in/around the house the things were.

If he destroyed a ton of stuff in his house because he was upset that a guy that was kinda family to him (their girlfriends being sisters) and some of that happened to be surveillance equipment inside the house, that's not all that damning. And it also explains why he had people come clean his house.

Not saying that is what has happened or anything, but people are too quick to tie all this together as seeming absolute when there's so many other possibilities that it could be. After all, if this does go to trial, all Hernandez is going to have to do is put reasonable doubt in the jury's eyes and he will be back to playing on Sundays without much more than a minor hiccup in his career.


You a Pats fan boy? lol.

C'MON MAN!!! He smashed his phone, home security system, and had a clean crew come in? It looks BAAAAAAAAAAAAD. He hasnt been proven guilty, but its ignorant to think that things add up in his favor right now.

His lawyer can spin whatever he wants doesnt mean its true. If hes guilty he should be locked up for life. And at this point its very hard not to think hes not guilty of something....

Police wouldnt issue a warrant for obstruction if they thought all his destruction could be explained. This is classic destruction of evidence behavior.

To say this will "just be a hiccup in his career" is sooooo wrong... If he killed someone I dont want him getting back on the football field ever and neither should you... Were talking about someones life here....

Who gives a F*ck about football at this point? If he's guilty throw away the key.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 22, 2013 3:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

sirensong wrote:
You a Pats fan boy? lol.
Try again.

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C'MON MAN!!! He smashed his phone, home security system, and had a clean crew come in? It looks BAAAAAAAAAAAAD. He hasnt been proven guilty, but its ignorant to think that things add up in his favor right now.
No, what's ignorant is to believe that these things all but guarantee his guilt when there are clearly other ways that these could be put together. They're nothing but pieces of circumstantial evidence that the public is taking as guaranteed guilt. That's not how the court system works though.

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His lawyer can spin whatever he wants doesnt mean its true.
Doesn't mean it isn't either.

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And at this point its very hard not to think hes not guilty of something....
Not really. All it is is a bunch of circumstantial evidence that may point to him being involved, but it's far from even close to enough to get a conviction.

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Police wouldnt issue a warrant for obstruction if they thought all his destruction could be explained.
And they haven't issued a warrant yet. And a warrant doesn't show guilt either.

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This is classic destruction of evidence behavior.
No, it's classic "looks like destruction of evidence" to people that don't have all the information and are assuming certain things. It's entirely possible, regardless of how likely or unlikely, that it's just a series of events getting presented improperly by the media or taken out of context.

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To say this will "just be a hiccup in his career" is sooooo wrong... If he killed someone I dont want him getting back on the football field ever and neither should you... Were talking about someones life here....
With all your anger, you missed the point.

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iPwn wrote:
24isthelaw wrote:
iPwn wrote:
A multi-millionaire bringing in people to clean his house isn't exactly abnormal.

He smashed his phone, but sometimes people get angry about what's going on and smash things. His lawyer could easily make it seem like Aaron was just on an emotional roller coaster knowing the person he was with just the other day was dead and took out his anger on the only thing he had in his hands. The investigators should be able to recover anything still on the hard drive of the phone. If they don't find anything incriminating, that really ends the phone smashing thing.

Some of the other stuff would be easy for a lawyer to give enough doubt in it being related as well.

Nothing coming out is all that damning at all.


And how would you explain smashing the home surveillance system?
Depends on what all was broke and where in/around the house the things were.

If he destroyed a ton of stuff in his house because he was upset that a guy that was kinda family to him (their girlfriends being sisters) and some of that happened to be surveillance equipment inside the house, that's not all that damning. And it also explains why he had people come clean his house.

Not saying that is what has happened or anything, but people are too quick to tie all this together as seeming absolute when there's so many other possibilities that it could be. After all, if this does go to trial, all Hernandez is going to have to do is put reasonable doubt in the jury's eyes and he will be back to playing on Sundays without much more than a minor hiccup in his career.


Yeah right........he could have smashed anything like flat screen TV but he choose instead to smash his entire security system and her phone...... Laughing
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 22, 2013 7:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

iPwn wrote:
24isthelaw wrote:
iPwn wrote:
A multi-millionaire bringing in people to clean his house isn't exactly abnormal.

He smashed his phone, but sometimes people get angry about what's going on and smash things. His lawyer could easily make it seem like Aaron was just on an emotional roller coaster knowing the person he was with just the other day was dead and took out his anger on the only thing he had in his hands. The investigators should be able to recover anything still on the hard drive of the phone. If they don't find anything incriminating, that really ends the phone smashing thing.

Some of the other stuff would be easy for a lawyer to give enough doubt in it being related as well.

Nothing coming out is all that damning at all.


And how would you explain smashing the home surveillance system?
Depends on what all was broke and where in/around the house the things were.

If he destroyed a ton of stuff in his house because he was upset that a guy that was kinda family to him (their girlfriends being sisters) and some of that happened to be surveillance equipment inside the house, that's not all that damning. And it also explains why he had people come clean his house.

Not saying that is what has happened or anything, but people are too quick to tie all this together as seeming absolute when there's so many other possibilities that it could be. After all, if this does go to trial, all Hernandez is going to have to do is put reasonable doubt in the jury's eyes and he will be back to playing on Sundays without much more than a minor hiccup in his career.


Kudos for attempting to play devil's advocate on this one, it isn't going to be easy.

None of the destroyed items will be damning, as far as what evidence may have been on them. But if these reports are true, it certainly will damn him from a media and a fan perception standpoint.

What is available at this point, assuming it is accurate, is the timestamped video that shows the 4 men together around the time the incident occurred, or soon before. That is evidence that will be used, along with any other hard or circumstantial evidence they may have. From a football standpoint that is important because it could result in a trial that will keep him off the field for a significant amount of time, whether he is tried for the crime itself or as an accessory. I also suspect he will be suspended if evidence of unbecoming actions, whether related to this specific event or not, arise while he is being investigated.
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iPwn wrote:
A multi-millionaire bringing in people to clean his house isn't exactly abnormal.

He smashed his phone, but sometimes people get angry about what's going on and smash things. His lawyer could easily make it seem like Aaron was just on an emotional roller coaster knowing the person he was with just the other day was dead and took out his anger on the only thing he had in his hands. The investigators should be able to recover anything still on the hard drive of the phone. If they don't find anything incriminating, that really ends the phone smashing thing.

Some of the other stuff would be easy for a lawyer to give enough doubt in it being related as well.

Nothing coming out is all that damning at all.


What about his rental car, that can be proven was at the spot the dead body was found, near his home?
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iPwn wrote:
if the glove don't fit you must acquit.


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Authorities have issued an arrest warrant for Patriots tight end Aaron Hernandez in connection with a murder investigation, according to a source.

Odin Lloyd, 27, was found dead in an industrial park less than a mile from Hernandez's North Attleboro home Monday.

A source told FOX 25's Bob Ward that the warrant, for obstruction of justice, was issued early Friday morning. The source says the warrant is what is known as a "paper warrant." State Police are not executing it for the time being.

If the warrant were entered into the system, any police officer could immediately arrest Hernandez.


http://www.myfoxboston.com/story/22652122/arrest-warrant-issued-for-pats-hernandez#.UcTovYpG7zU.twitter#ixzz2Wx4oUo9

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Louis Friend wrote:
iPwn wrote:
A multi-millionaire bringing in people to clean his house isn't exactly abnormal.

He smashed his phone, but sometimes people get angry about what's going on and smash things. His lawyer could easily make it seem like Aaron was just on an emotional roller coaster knowing the person he was with just the other day was dead and took out his anger on the only thing he had in his hands. The investigators should be able to recover anything still on the hard drive of the phone. If they don't find anything incriminating, that really ends the phone smashing thing.

Some of the other stuff would be easy for a lawyer to give enough doubt in it being related as well.

Nothing coming out is all that damning at all.


What about his rental car, that can be proven was at the spot the dead body was found, near his home?


Didn't he have like 3 rentals in his name? Doesn't sound like he was renting them for himself.

And as for the cleaning crew, didn't the police say the man was killed where he was found? I don't see the cleaning crew being really important in this if I'm remembering that correctly.
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Louis Friend wrote:
iPwn wrote:
A multi-millionaire bringing in people to clean his house isn't exactly abnormal.

He smashed his phone, but sometimes people get angry about what's going on and smash things. His lawyer could easily make it seem like Aaron was just on an emotional roller coaster knowing the person he was with just the other day was dead and took out his anger on the only thing he had in his hands. The investigators should be able to recover anything still on the hard drive of the phone. If they don't find anything incriminating, that really ends the phone smashing thing.

Some of the other stuff would be easy for a lawyer to give enough doubt in it being related as well.

Nothing coming out is all that damning at all.


What about his rental car, that can be proven was at the spot the dead body was found, near his home?
They were out partying, right? What if Hernandez was drunk, so he asked one of the other guys to drive so he doesn't get a DUI? The four of them screw around, get caught on the surveillance video, then eventually the other three (or two or just the victim, whatever) drop Hernandez off and then something happens while they're off to the next destination. Or Hernandez could have just rented a car for a buddy that flew into town, be it the victim or one of the other two guys that were seen with them.

I'd surmise it wouldn't be too hard to make people believe that Hernandez wasn't so stupid as to leave a car that could be traced to him at the scene of a murder.

Also, to tie it to the cleaning crew "evidence," why not just have the car cleaned when the cleaning crew came?

And to be clear, I'm not saying any of this is the case or that it is more likely to be the case than what is being assumed. I'm saying that nothing we have heard to this point is concrete enough to even come close to guaranteeing a conviction/eventual suspension in the case. All it takes is a reasonable seed of doubt.
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iPwn wrote:
Louis Friend wrote:
iPwn wrote:
A multi-millionaire bringing in people to clean his house isn't exactly abnormal.

He smashed his phone, but sometimes people get angry about what's going on and smash things. His lawyer could easily make it seem like Aaron was just on an emotional roller coaster knowing the person he was with just the other day was dead and took out his anger on the only thing he had in his hands. The investigators should be able to recover anything still on the hard drive of the phone. If they don't find anything incriminating, that really ends the phone smashing thing.

Some of the other stuff would be easy for a lawyer to give enough doubt in it being related as well.

Nothing coming out is all that damning at all.


What about his rental car, that can be proven was at the spot the dead body was found, near his home?
They were out partying, right? What if Hernandez was drunk, so he asked one of the other guys to drive so he doesn't get a DUI? The four of them screw around, get caught on the surveillance video, then eventually the other three (or two or just the victim, whatever) drop Hernandez off and then something happens while they're off to the next destination. Or Hernandez could have just rented a car for a buddy that flew into town, be it the victim or one of the other two guys that were seen with them.

I'd surmise it wouldn't be too hard to make people believe that Hernandez wasn't so stupid as to leave a car that could be traced to him at the scene of a murder.

Also, to tie it to the cleaning crew "evidence," why not just have the car cleaned when the cleaning crew came?

And to be clear, I'm not saying any of this is the case or that it is more likely to be the case than what is being assumed. I'm saying that nothing we have heard to this point is concrete enough to even come close to guaranteeing a conviction/eventual suspension in the case. All it takes is a reasonable seed of doubt.


Very true

It definitely looks suspicious though.

I don't the suspension will require a conviction. The NFL doesn't require that to suspend someone.
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