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PostPosted: Wed May 29, 2013 6:32 am    Post subject: A Closer Look at the Roster - Offense Reply with quote

As we are approaching the end of OTA (three more this week, mandatory 3-day-mini-camp next) my take on the state of play with regard to the roster and an attempt to develop an early depth chart.

Offense first, Defense (much more interesting) probably tomorrow or Friday.

Offensive Linemen

RT - Fisher, Stephenson
RG - Asamoah
OC - Hudson, XXXX
LG - Schwartz, Allen
LT - Albert, Stephenson

Wild Cards: Kush, Draheim

I consider THREE positions set: both Tackles (Albert left, Fisher right) and C (Hudson). Barring any injury I would be more than surprised to see any changes here. RG probably is Asamoah's to lose, but with Schwartz on board (who considers himself much better at G than at T), Stephenson also practicing inside he does face competition. LG probably is wide open - I haven't heard any comment that an early front runner has been identified. The Chiefs may face a luxury problem here with up to FOUR competent linemen competing for two slots.
With Stephenson probably providing higher value as a swing Tackle I do not consider him to become a starter at G early in the season. Furthermore, continuing his development at OT may put some pressure on Albert when it comes to contract negotiations. Allen struggled some last season, so I go with the veteran at LG (for now) but will keep a close eye on the position.
Finally, I think the Chiefs should consider one more OL, preferably at C. I'm not sure Kush is ready to step in this year, other options may be Draheim or Allen, if the latter takes some snaps there in camp. At minimum they need to keep a C on the Practice Squad.

My overall take: A pretty good group with excellent depth.

Quarterbacks

QB - A. Smith, Daniel, Bray

Wildcard: Stanzi

#1 and #2 are obvious, however, given his track record, I'm not sure I consider Daniel a solid backup in the pros. I struggled to identify #3. I think I'll go with Bray for now - solely based on potential. Stanzi didn't show much over 3 years and obviously didn't impress anyone in OTA. After 3 years in pro football his further potential appears to be limited. Bray on the other hand is an unknown. I'm not sure he has a higher ceiling than Stanzi but at least there is a chance he has. I don't like the idea of trying to sneak him to the Practice Squad - some vulture may come along and pick him off. Weird thing: If Bray sticks the Chiefs rolled over there full QB team in one season.

My overall take: Probably an upgrade over last season, but too early to call this group good or even solid. Quality of the backups may be an issue - I'll prefer not to see them during the regular season.

Running Backs

RB - Charles, Davis, Gray
FB - Sherman

Wildcards: Draughn, Wilson

Charles and Davis are obvious choices at #1 and #2. Gray didn't show much last year, but with Draughn out with an injury (and equally not being very good last year) and not much else in terms of competition on the roster he earns the #3 slot by default. With the price the Chiefs paid for Sherman he's penciled in at FB by default. Wilson on the other hand is an interesting case. Physically completely different and as Bob Gretz mentions pretty good at catching the ball out of the backfield he may make a living as a H-Back (in addition to a significant Special Teams role). His size reminds me a little bit of T-Rich.

My overall take: A pretty good group with solid depth. Whether this group develops into something special probably depends on Davis' impact.

Tight Ends

TE - Fasano, Kelce, Moeaki

Wild Card: Brock

Fasano and Kelce are obvious selections. As of now I still go with Moeaki as the third TE, however, his knee injury is a real concern. IF Moeaki gets healthy there will be a fierce battle for the pecking order at the position. If he continues to have injury issues I could see him out with Brock taking his place. I expect to see a lot of two-TE sets

My overall take: On paper a solid group, however, they need to produce. Moeaki’s health may shake things up.

Wide Reveivers

WR - Bowe, Gilyard, XXXX
Slot - McCluster
WR - Baldwin, Avery

Wild Cards: Wylie, Richardson, Newsome, Copper

The only two players here I’m sure about are Bowe and McCluster. Baldwin has been a huge disappointment so far, and we have seen that Reid & Dorsey are not afraid to get rid of the former regime’s highly touted players (such as Winston, Arenas, Menzie, etc.). Gilyard, from what I read has a good off-season. I’m not sure Avery ever practiced in OTA, he probably should get healthy soon if he wants to make an impact come September. However, with his new contract I don’t see him on the bubble. I anticipate one more WR on the roster, and that may become a tough selection. Wylie was considered a McCluster clone but yet has to produce. Copper ist primarily a Special Teams player but that role could be taken by Wilson. Newsome showed some promise last year. Richardson gets some extensive work as a return guy. None of them (well, may be Wylie) should be considered a REAL WR but more a specialist of some kind primarily filling a dedicated role and being a WR after that. So it may depend on the system and the balance of Offense/Defense/dedicated ST players who gets that slot.

My overall take: Probably the weakest positional group on offense. Not much depth after Bowe and McCluster unless Avery gets healthy soon and Gilyard breaks out.

Summary

Above I assigned 24 slots to the offense, one more seems possible. The Chiefs may also assume some risk and start the season with only 7 Offensive Linemen to create some flexibility at other positions. The most critical position in my view is at WR with a significant lack of quality depth. QB is a big unknown beyond Alex Smith. I expect Training Camp battles especially at RB (Draughn/Gray), TE (if Moeaki gets healthy, add Wilson to the mix if he is considered a H-Back), WR and dedicated Special Teams players (Wilson, Copper, Richardson). I would not be surprised if one or two decisions are made AGAINST veterans due to cap space considerations.


My continuously updated Skeleton Depth Chart can be found here.
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PostPosted: Wed May 29, 2013 8:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nice write up man. I agree on most points you make here.

However, if Moeaki is 100% i think he is the best tight end on the team. Obviously his health is the caveat but he did play 15 last year and my money is that he's healthier and stronger this year.

I also think Asamoah's job is in no more danger than Albert or Fisher or anyone on the Oline. He was a bright spot last year and by no means should be worried about his job. I think it's between Allen and Schwartz for LG and Stephenson is just getting reps everywhere as Reid wants him to develop. Stephenson is perfectly built for OT. Big, long and fast.


Other than those points I'm thinking the same things you are.
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PostPosted: Wed May 29, 2013 8:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

As for Center, keep in mind it was touted that Asamoah could play there. I have no idea if that's their plan, but the depth at OG and lack thereof at Center suggests one of our OG's is also considered a Center.

Also, at TE, someone I've been looking for since I heard about his story, is UDFA Demetrius Harris. For those that don't know he's a converted basketball player that apparently Dorsey had been watching for a few years now. And while he's got a lot to learn, he's apparently picking it up quickly - http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2013/5/28/4373754/kansas-city-chiefs-dexter-mccluster-injury-sloppy-offense

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Demetrius Harris impresses

Dave Skretta @APdaveskretta

My sleeper to make #Chiefs roster is easily TE Demetrius Harris. Now that he's getting up to speed, freakish athletic ability is coming out

Nick Jacobs @Jacobs71

Demetrius Harris had a really good day today. Fantastic catch. Knows how to use his body to get separation & serious leaping ability.

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PostPosted: Wed May 29, 2013 9:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

bigschmadt00 wrote:
As for Center, keep in mind it was touted that Asamoah could play there. I have no idea if that's their plan, but the depth at OG and lack thereof at Center suggests one of our OG's is also considered a Center.

Also, at TE, someone I've been looking for since I heard about his story, is UDFA Demetrius Harris. For those that don't know he's a converted basketball player that apparently Dorsey had been watching for a few years now. And while he's got a lot to learn, he's apparently picking it up quickly - http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2013/5/28/4373754/kansas-city-chiefs-dexter-mccluster-injury-sloppy-offense

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Demetrius Harris impresses

Dave Skretta @APdaveskretta

My sleeper to make #Chiefs roster is easily TE Demetrius Harris. Now that he's getting up to speed, freakish athletic ability is coming out

Nick Jacobs @Jacobs71

Demetrius Harris had a really good day today. Fantastic catch. Knows how to use his body to get separation & serious leaping ability.


I keep saying if Moeaki doesn't show up at 100% soon his spot is in serious jeopardy. I know people say he's missed the same amount of time as Charles and Berry the past few years, but those guys have proven the ability to produce when healthy and as much as I like Moeaki he hasn't looked or produced lile he's 100% for quote some time.

I would put Kush at that 25 spot and roll with Kush as our backup center personally. The 23-25 spots will really be an indicator on what we want our offense's identity to be. Do we roll with 3 RB's and keep 2 FB's? Do we go 7 OL and 6 WR's? Alot of it will depend on howReid and CCowant to do on O and who steps on in Preseason.
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PostPosted: Wed May 29, 2013 11:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If memory serves, Asamoah was a backup center in college and got some PT there during his career. Harrais could be a Gonzales type TE, I DID NOT SAY he would BE TG, but a TG type. Some serious ability that needs to be developed.

KC---I agree with your analysis and good to have your input. Spot on....as usual.
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PostPosted: Wed May 29, 2013 11:52 am    Post subject: Re: A Closer Look at the Roster - Offense Reply with quote

KC_Guy wrote:
As we are approaching the end of OTA (three more this week, mandatory 3-day-mini-camp next) my take on the state of play with regard to the roster and an attempt to develop an early depth chart.

Offense first, Defense (much more interesting) probably tomorrow or Friday.

Offensive Linemen

RT - Fisher, Stephenson
RG - Asamoah
OC - Hudson, XXXX
LG - Schwartz, Allen
LT - Albert, Stephenson

Wild Cards: Kush, Draheim

I consider THREE positions set: both Tackles (Albert left, Fisher right) and C (Hudson). Barring any injury I would be more than surprised to see any changes here. RG probably is Asamoah's to lose, but with Schwartz on board (who considers himself much better at G than at T), Stephenson also practicing inside he does face competition. LG probably is wide open - I haven't heard any comment that an early front runner has been identified. The Chiefs may face a luxury problem here with up to FOUR competent linemen competing for two slots.


If Asamoah is not a lock for a G spot, then how is Fisher a lock for a T spot with Stephenson in the mix?

Also, QB is PROBABLY an upgrade???? Laughing

Can Wilson really take Copper's spot on ST's? Curious how he can be the same type of gunner guy at that size. Look for Baldwin to be the possible break out, not Gilyard. If Baldwin plays like a normal #2 or better, the depth is no longer a question mark.

I agree that may be the biggest issue on offense right now, but it's hard to see how a subpar #2 WR would hold us back at all with a great running game, superb OL, quality TE's, good #1 WR/slot, and competent QB play...see the Vermeil years and 2010 (which had additional holes).
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PostPosted: Wed May 29, 2013 1:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's something from a guy who has a chance to watch all the OTA:

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I'd only add a few notes:

Offensive line - rookies A.J Hawkins (C/G) and Colin Kelly (G/T) are in the mix right now, I'd say ahead of Draheim. Kush will be practice squad.

Backs - must add Wilson, because his range of skills is something Reid loves. Sherman's spot is shaky.

There are 5 wide receivers fighting for 2, possibly 3 spots - Hemingway, Gilyard, Copper, Wylie, Richardson. It will come down to special teams with those guys.

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PostPosted: Wed May 29, 2013 3:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Can't remember where I read it, but I remember hearing that Stephenson was playing a bit of G already. I think Asamoah is as safe as anybody, but I think Allen's job may as well already be lost. I think we're going to see either Schwartz or Stephenson at that LG spot.
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PostPosted: Wed May 29, 2013 4:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

From today's OTA:

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– Rookie A.J Hawkins continues to get the chance to work at center in the practices, right down to snapping for the four quarterbacks with the other potential centers – Rodney Hudson, Eric Kush, Jeff Allen and Tommie Draheim.


so there are options ...


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– On special teams, they worked on field goals, punts and kickoff return. Working as returners with McCluster out were RB Knile Davis, WR Devon Wylie and WR Rico Richardson. On punt returns it was Wylie, WR Mardy Gilyard and Richardson.


critical ST positions ...
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PostPosted: Wed May 29, 2013 8:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

KC_Guy wrote:
From today's OTA:

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– Rookie A.J Hawkins continues to get the chance to work at center in the practices, right down to snapping for the four quarterbacks with the other potential centers – Rodney Hudson, Eric Kush, Jeff Allen and Tommie Draheim.


so there are options ...


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– On special teams, they worked on field goals, punts and kickoff return. Working as returners with McCluster out were RB Knile Davis, WR Devon Wylie and WR Rico Richardson. On punt returns it was Wylie, WR Mardy Gilyard and Richardson.


critical ST positions ...


I really want to see Davis at KR and Wylie at PR. Wylie has that sort of shiftiness you want at PR, but with much more speed than a guy like Arenas has. Davis could easily be a Charles-esque guy at KR.
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