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PostPosted: Mon Apr 22, 2013 8:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've been thinking of Arthur Brown as an extreme dark horse pick but with McCLendon seemingly at NT it might make more sense for more of a thumper like Minter, Bostic or Vince Williams.

A real wildcard is Sio Moore...not sure where he would fit best.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 22, 2013 9:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Khaseem Greene

games watched
Louisville
Virginia Tech
UCONN


+ very aggressive, willing to take on blockers
+ physical player, definitely lays the wood when he gets a chance
+ pretty sure-handed tackler
+ snap to whistle, sideline-to-sideline, definitely an energetic player

+/- uses hands to keep blocker off him, stacks but doesn't always shed very well
+/- likes to lay the big hit and definitely brings the pain, but doesn't wrap and sometimes bounces off the guy without securing the final tackle

- looks a bit like a floater in coverage, kinda lost
- stiff in coverage, definitely needs coaching in this area
- seems to lack instincts, one of the last LBs to react to play
- fills wrong gap, takes missteps

not real impressed with this cat at all to be honest. Seems like a better athlete than football player
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 22, 2013 9:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kiko Alonso

games watched
Arizona
Oregon State
UW
Fresno
USC
Kansas State


+ hyperaggressive but under control, a "whirling dervish of mayhem"
+ attacks gaps, reads them fairly well and makes plays
+ extremely effective run blitzer, also gets pressure and collapses pocket when he blitzes straight up
+ solid read/react skills, seems to anticipate fairly well
+ good 1v1 tackler, can blow up multiple blocks and still make the tackle
+ reasonably developed spin and rip on blitz, not afraid to use spin to disengage from blockers, great balance with it
+ attacks sideline to sideline
+ always initiates contact, not afraid to run head on into OG and lay it out
+ usually good at reading misdirection
+ nasty vs. run, anticipates the gap really well, ideal fit as a run blitzer for us
+ pretty good hands for a LB, risky throwing at him, he breaks on the ball hard
+ sniffs out screens extremely well, seems fairly developed at pre-snap reads
+ lays hits but is a consistent wrap-up tackler, still manages to rip at ball, forced a few fumbles that way
+ good ball awareness
+ initiated contact on ball carrier in backfield more than anybody I've seen

+/- natural in coverage, smooth and fluid, needs some work on reading the zones but does well reading the QB
+/- effective using hands to shed, sometimes forgets to use them

- doesn't anchor against OGs very well, but is usually able to disengage to make the tackle
- does take a few false steps but his feet tend to "churn" quite a bit so it's tough to grade this as a full negative
- something of a sucker for cut blocks, simple matter of not expecting them, should be easily coached out of him

Might be the best fit for us on the Steelers. His run blitzing gave me a wood, I forgot how damn effective he was at blowing up gaps and spinning off multiple blockers to make the play. My head says Bostic's ceiling *should* be higher, but Alonso's balance and explosiveness in his run blitzes just make me drool. His numbers don't scream "explosive" but he is so comfortable attacking and his CoD is so developed it allows him to play faster than he times. Gotta love a 6'3 frame that is solid and dense.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 22, 2013 10:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Manti Te'o

must admit I really dismissed him entirely afer seeing him get stomped vs. Alabama, but rewatching several players against Alabama, seems they all got stomped. Not a huge Te'o fan, but I'm going to try focusing on just the football and I'm going to try to ignore the invisible girlfriend. Purposely not rewatching Alabama because it was a disaster and i don't want it to color my view

games watched
Purdue
Stanford
Michigan

+ instinctive in coverage, good understanding and feel for zones
+ doesn't get a lot of sacks but generates pressure when he blitzes
+ run blitzes draw attention, typically takes up 2 players, allows others to make plays
+ plays whistle to whistle with feistiness
+ has aggressiveness and speed to go sideline to sideline
+ redirects TE coming out of backfield with solid hit to disrupt their route running and timing
+ good hands and reactions in passing game

- fooled by misdirection in play action and read/option
- not an especially good 1v1 tackler, gets 'juked' a bit too often
- plays with too high a pad level, loses yards on contact vs. runner too often
- gives up his numbers too easily, has issues shedding once he's chest-to-chest
- misses way too many tackles in backfield against teams not named "Alabama"
- aggressively attacks gaps, but far too often attacks the wrong gap entirely, leaving a cutback lane
- gets enveloped in traffic too often, isn't reading the blocking schemes well enough
- misses more tackles behind the LoS than he makes, not an impact player vs. the run; I really think he might miss at least half a dozen tackles in the backfield each game that I watched

Te'o might be the best coverage guy I've watched so far, behind only Arthur Brown (And Ogletree, although I didn't watch him today). However, his run stopping really was surprisingly weaker than what I remember. I saw, literally, close to 2 dozen missed tackles behind the LoS, with Te'o diving at (and missing) the ballcarrier's feet
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 22, 2013 11:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alec Ogletree

Kentucky
Alabama
Georgia Tech
Nebraska


+ very aggressive, explosive sideline to sideline speed
+ quickness and violence to disengage vs. FB/TES
+ exceedingly good in coverage
+ great closing speed, elite acceleration
+ really looks like he's still an oversized safety when he drops into coverage, smooth and coordinated in his backpedal and has a solid feel for the zone
+ does great job in backside pursuit vs. run (tampa-2 WLB role)
+ does good job making tackle while eluding/denying the stiff arm
+ outstanding agility and quickness, seemingly unlimited energy

+/- elite sideline to sideline pursuit ability, much less effective when the run comes right at him
+/- aggression and speed allows him to make some highlight reel plays but he misses so many other plays, 'the little things' that you don't see in the highlight reels

- poor at reading blocking schemes, attacks wrong gaps and opens cutback lanes
- slow to read play, puts himself out of position by taking bad angles
- lowers head and shoulders far too often when taking on blocks, takes himself out of play\
- sucker for misdirection
- very poor hand use, when OL locks on, he is velcroed chest-to-chest
- overruns/overpursues constantly
- surprisingly tentative, almost timid when taking on OL
- seemed to shy away from contact with Rex Burkehead when he got rumbling downhill


WILB/WLB only. Shows poor instinctiveness and does not sift through trash along OL well at all, but when he is given the chance to be a 'run and chase' guy, he can really make it happen. Basically Arthur Brown with a bigger frame and a drinking problem
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 23, 2013 9:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Te'o really benefited from having a dominate NT. Without Nix, his false steps get worst.

Minter is still one of my favorites. I wonder if Brown is not a OLB for the Steelers.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 23, 2013 9:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Surprised to hear your eval of Greene considering he is a converted safety.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 23, 2013 10:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you're taking requests, I'd appreciate seeing your evals of Vince Williams and/or Nico Johnson.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 23, 2013 11:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

jcm412 wrote:
Surprised to hear your eval of Greene considering he is a converted safety.


yep, he gained too much weight, plain and simple. The added bulk made him..."bulky" if that makes sense

MOSteelers, I might dig deeper in the weeds on a few more prospects
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 23, 2013 11:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

jebrick wrote:
Te'o really benefited from having a dominate NT. Without Nix, his false steps get worst.

to say the least. That's one of the reasons he looked so bad against Bama. the OL would double up on Nix and take Kapronicus out of the play and Te'o was left on his own.


jebrick wrote:
Minter is still one of my favorites.

mine too.

jebrick wrote:
I wonder if Brown is not a OLB for the Steelers.


absolutely, in the same vein that Lawrence Timmons is
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 23, 2013 2:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

kethnaab wrote:
Manti Te'o

must admit I really dismissed him entirely afer seeing him get stomped vs. Alabama, but rewatching several players against Alabama, seems they all got stomped. Not a huge Te'o fan, but I'm going to try focusing on just the football and I'm going to try to ignore the invisible girlfriend. Purposely not rewatching Alabama because it was a disaster and i don't want it to color my view

games watched
Purdue
Stanford
Michigan

+ instinctive in coverage, good understanding and feel for zones
+ doesn't get a lot of sacks but generates pressure when he blitzes
+ run blitzes draw attention, typically takes up 2 players, allows others to make plays
+ plays whistle to whistle with feistiness
+ has aggressiveness and speed to go sideline to sideline
+ redirects TE coming out of backfield with solid hit to disrupt their route running and timing
+ good hands and reactions in passing game

- fooled by misdirection in play action and read/option
- not an especially good 1v1 tackler, gets 'juked' a bit too often
- plays with too high a pad level, loses yards on contact vs. runner too often
- gives up his numbers too easily, has issues shedding once he's chest-to-chest
- misses way too many tackles in backfield against teams not named "Alabama"
- aggressively attacks gaps, but far too often attacks the wrong gap entirely, leaving a cutback lane
- gets enveloped in traffic too often, isn't reading the blocking schemes well enough
- misses more tackles behind the LoS than he makes, not an impact player vs. the run; I really think he might miss at least half a dozen tackles in the backfield each game that I watched

Te'o might be the best coverage guy I've watched so far, behind only Arthur Brown (And Ogletree, although I didn't watch him today). However, his run stopping really was surprisingly weaker than what I remember. I saw, literally, close to 2 dozen missed tackles behind the LoS, with Te'o diving at (and missing) the ballcarrier's feet


I was waiting for your write up and disagree with some.

Right now I'm rewatching the OU and USC games. I'm gonna get back with you because I tend to find things out after you mention them.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 23, 2013 3:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

by all means, please do. feedback opens my eyes just like anybody else
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