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PostPosted: Sun Apr 14, 2013 8:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

turtle28 wrote:
http://m.bleacherreport.com/articles/1554958-2013-nfl-draft-why-safety-john-boyett-provides-great-value-in-the-later-rounds

So to add to this tread about late round steals, today I found an article about John Boyett who's tumbled down the draft boards because of injury and he was tough in 2011 playing through two torn tendons. Boyett has 2nd round, possibly 1st round talent and if we don't take a FS early (or wven of we do) taking Boyett in the late rounds to develop would be a smart idea.

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04/10/2013 - Napa's John Boyett worked out for eight NFL teams today, running the 40-yard dash, catching passes and doing different drills in his Pro Day at Napa Memorial Stadium. Boyett, who starred at the University of Oregon as a free safety, was clocked at 4.57 in the 40. He also talked with scouts from each of the teams afterward. Officials from the San Francisco 49ers, Oakland Raiders, Indianapolis Colts, Washington Redskins, Kansas City Chiefs, Denver Broncos, Cleveland Browns and New York Giants were on the field to time and check out Boyett in the 45-minute workout.
Boyett looked sharp as he went through a battery of drills - backpedaling and cutting and catching passes thrown by Ted LeMasters, a former Napa High quarterback who played college baseball at Long Beach State and the University of San Francisco. Boyett said he still isn't at full strength, but was happy with the way everything went. He has been doing rehab and training six days a week. There was a light wind that he was running directly into. He caught each of the 11 passes thrown to him, sometimes having to react and run to a ball on the opposite side of the field.

"Everything I heard was great stuff," he said. "They were very surprised with how well I moved and they're excited to see what I do when I get into camp. "It felt great just to be out here on the football field. This field means a lot to me. Teddy came out here and helped me do a workout. It was just fun being out here. We have a lot of good memories in this stadium." Boyett has been medically cleared for workouts. "I was very happy just to come out here and just be able to run around a little bit, let alone impress the teams the way I did. They were very impressed with how fast I ran for only being a little over five months on a six-month recovery. In a month I'll be faster and better than I am right now." - Marty James, Napa Valley Register


http://m.bleacherreport.com/articles/1540250-hidden-gems-at-every-position-in-the-2013-nfl-draft-class?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=nfl

Here is an article of some Hidden Gems they feel are the draft.


1. EJ Manuel, QB- FSU
2. Knile Davis, RB- Ark
3. Zach Line, FB- SMU
4. Da'Rick Rogers, WR- Tenn tech
5. Vance McDonald, TE- Rice
6. Ricky Wagner, T- Wisconsin
7. Brian Winters, G- Kent State
8. Khaled Holmes, C- USC
9. Corey Lemonier, Auburn- DE/OLB
10. Trevardo Williams, Connecticut- 3-4 Olb
11. AJ Klein, ISU- ILB


Know someone connected with oregon. Scoop on Boyett
1. Coaches couldn't care less he quit on season. Yes, injury. He had same injury the year before and played. It was his option to stop playing to prepare for draft and not play senior year.
2. Selfish and teammates didn't like him. Not real coachable.
3. Maxed out on potential. This is good and bad. He works extremely hard to maximize his potential but there isn't any untapped athletic skills left. What you see is what you get.

I don't know how reliable this info is.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 14, 2013 8:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Manase Foketi OG/OT prospect from West Texas A&M. Sumo wrestler with ballet feet.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 14, 2013 9:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

JLambert58 wrote:
Manase Foketi OG/OT prospect from West Texas A&M. Sumo wrestler with ballet feet.


I'm a fan.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 14, 2013 9:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ward4HOF wrote:
TJ Moe, WR, Mizzou:

5'11.5" 206

4.74 40 (slowest at Combine)

...but...

3.96 20yd shuttle
6.53 3 Cone
10.87 60yd shuttle
26 Reps

...all Combine bests for WRs

Solid route runner, strong, decent blocker, tough, leader, and large hands (9 7/8"), very sure-handed and can take hits and hold on to the ball.

Slot WR only, but one of those guys that is dependable and with those shuttle/3 cone times, should be a great inside route runner and be able to get open.

Anyway, wouldn't mind spending a 6th/7th on this guy.
sounds like a slot guy. I like it Cool
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 21, 2013 1:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://withthefirstpick.com/2013/04/21/2013-nfl-draft-overrated-underrated-and-sleepers/?utm_source=FanSided+Daily&utm_medium=email

Overrated/underrated prospects:

Quarterback:

overrated- EJ Manuel, FSU

underrated- Zack Dysert, Miami (OH)

Sleeper – Brad Sorenson, Southern Utah

Running back:

Overrated- Montee Ball, Wisconsin

underrated: Stephan Taylor, Stanford

Sleeper – Latavius Murray, Central Florida

Wide Receiver:

Overrated – Cordarrelle Patterson, Tennessee

Underrated- Justin Hunter, Tennessee

Overrated – Tavon Austin, West Virginia

Underrated – Keenan Allen, Cal

Sleeper – Connor Vernon, Duke

Tight End:

Overrated – Zach Ertz, Stanford

Underrated – Ryan Otten, San Jose State

Sleeper – Joseph Fauria, UCLA

Offensive Line

Overrated – Menelik Watson, Florida State

Underrated – David Quessenberry, San Jose State

Overrated – Kyle Long, Oregon

Underrated – Reid Fragel, Ohio State

Sleeper – Luke Marquardt, Azusa Pacific

Defensive Line:

Overrated – Margus Hunt, SMU

Underrated – Sam Montgomery, LSU

Sleeper – Mike Catapano, Princeton

Overrated – John Jenkins, Georgia

Underrated – Johnathan Hankins, Ohio State


Linebacker:

Overrated – Alec Ogletree, Georgia

Underrated- Zaviar Gooden, Missouri

Sleeper – Vince Williams, Florida State

Cornerback:

Overrated – Dee Milliner, Alabama

Underrated – Robert Alford, SELU

Overrated – Darius Slay, Mississippi State

Underrated – Johnthan Banks, Mississpipi State

Sleeper – B.W. Webb, William and Mary

safety:

Overrated – Matt Elam, Florida

Underrated – Tony Jefferson, Oklahoma

Sleeper – Josh Evans, Florida

What do you guys think about this list? I have questions in some of his opinions?
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 21, 2013 1:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

turtle28 wrote:

Overrated- Montee Ball, Wisconsin
Underrated- Justin Hunter, Tennessee
Overrated – Tavon Austin, West Virginia
Underrated – Keenan Allen, Cal
Overrated – Zach Ertz, Stanford
Underrated – David Quessenberry, San Jose State
Overrated – Margus Hunt, SMU
Overrated – John Jenkins, Georgia
Overrated – Alec Ogletree, Georgia
Sleeper – Vince Williams, Florida State
Overrated – Dee Milliner, Alabama
Underrated – Johnthan Banks, Mississpipi State
Overrated – Matt Elam, Florida
Underrated – Tony Jefferson, Oklahoma


Agree with those.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 21, 2013 2:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

turtle28 wrote:
http://withthefirstpick.com/2013/04/21/2013-nfl-draft-overrated-underrated-and-sleepers/?utm_source=FanSided+Daily&utm_medium=email

Overrated/underrated prospects:

Running back:
Overrated- Montee Ball, Wisconsin

Wide Receiver:
Overrated – Cordarrelle Patterson, Tennessee

Tight End:
Overrated – Zach Ertz, Stanford

Offensive Line
Underrated – David Quessenberry, San Jose State

Defensive Line:
Sleeper – Mike Catapano, Princeton
Overrated – John Jenkins, Georgia
Underrated – Johnathan Hankins, Ohio State

Linebacker:
Overrated – Alec Ogletree, Georgia
Sleeper – Vince Williams, Florida State



these are guys I've mentioned specifically. whose evals I agree with here
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 21, 2013 3:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

RB Latavious Murray is another one. Very good vision in Zone Blocking Schemes.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 21, 2013 3:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just to let you guys know. It's not my list, I don't agree with all of it also.

I don't think Tavon Austin is overrated but in the context he used in the article I agree with it. He said some are putting Austin around the top 10, and he doesn't agree, well, neither do I. I've said all along, Austin is just like Santana Moss was at Miami. He should be a late 1st round pick.

I agree with what he said in Patterson vs Hunter.

I agree with what he said about about Margus Hunt and Montee Ball being overrated.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 21, 2013 3:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

FourThreeMafia wrote:
turtle28 wrote:

Overrated- Montee Ball, Wisconsin
Underrated- Justin Hunter, Tennessee
Overrated – Tavon Austin, West Virginia
Underrated – Keenan Allen, Cal
Overrated – Zach Ertz, Stanford
Underrated – David Quessenberry, San Jose State
Overrated – Margus Hunt, SMU
Overrated – John Jenkins, Georgia
Overrated – Alec Ogletree, Georgia
Sleeper – Vince Williams, Florida State
Overrated – Dee Milliner, Alabama
Underrated – Johnthan Banks, Mississpipi State
Overrated – Matt Elam, Florida
Underrated – Tony Jefferson, Oklahoma


Agree with those.
good list, I agree 43
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 21, 2013 3:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So what is up with Chase Thomas? Some were big on him earlier and saying he was a 2nd round pick

Now I have seen multiple drafts with him in the 6th round
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 21, 2013 9:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Really poor combine numbers and didn't truly impress with his on-field production. can still be a sleeper but likely to be an inside linebacker at next level.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 22, 2013 12:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

gatek99 wrote:
So what is up with Chase Thomas? Some were big on him earlier and saying he was a 2nd round pick

Now I have seen multiple drafts with him in the 6th round


He struggled big time in the senior bowl. Looked very stiff and not comfortable and his combine didn't change anyone's opinion. He's a guy who I think underrated now and I wouldn't mind in the 6th, maybe even the 5th round.
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