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PostPosted: Wed Apr 17, 2013 1:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

McPhee at OLB? Why? For what reasons? We already have Suggs/Upshaw/Dumervil out there, why add a starting DE to that group?!

McPhee is fine where he's at. It seems like people love making problems out of things that shouldn't even be problems (McPhee to OLB, KO to LT, etc.). Just leave him where he's at and let him do work at DE and let our more athletic guys like Dumervil and Suggs play the outside.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 17, 2013 5:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

wackywabbit wrote:

McPhee has actually shown he could be an effective DE. He looked good as a rookie and had a few impact plays during this past playoffs at that position. Strange decision to move him to perhaps the most stacked position on our defense (team?).


SnA ExclusiVe wrote:
McPhee at OLB? Why? For what reasons? We already have Suggs/Upshaw/Dumervil out there, why add a starting DE to that group?!

McPhee is fine where he's at. It seems like people love making problems out of things that shouldn't even be problems (McPhee to OLB, KO to LT, etc.). Just leave him where he's at and let him do work at DE and let our more athletic guys like Dumervil and Suggs play the outside.


Just wanted to respond to both of these at the same time...

The thing with McPhee is that he's pretty good at getting after the QB -- but as for being a run stopper, he wasn't very strong at it last season. It's the main reason he and Jones split so much time -- Jones in early, McPhee in on more obvious passing downs/formations.

They aren't moving McPhee permanently to another position -- they are simply trying to find ways to get him on the field MORE. Rather than having him rotate simply with Jones at the DE position, they want to try to see if he can also rotate with Suggs to give him some relief at OLB. That way, we can utilize McPhee's ability to get after the QB more frequently. As was stated, McPhee will still be a DE in 4 man fronts, but we've all recognized that he really isn't a fit at the 5-tech full time because he's undersized and isn't great against the run. So, by trying to let him play some OLB in a Suggs role, he could see the field more and keep Suggs fresh at the same time. I'm not sure what "bad" can come out of that, really.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 17, 2013 5:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is any of this information a pre draft smoke screen?

The Ravens are moving Bryan Hall to ILB, therefore they probably aren't targeting an ILB at 32/62/94 so there is no need to trade ahead of them to get our guy. Boom Ozzie drafts an ILB early.

The Ravens are moving Kelechi Osemele to LT, therefore they probably aren't targeting a LT at 32/62/94 so there is no need to trade ahead of them to get our guy. Boom Ozzie drafts a LT early.

The Ravens are moving Pernell McPhee to Rush LB, therefore they probably aren't targeting a pass rusher at 32/62/94 so there is no need to trade ahead of them to get our guy. Boom Ozzie drafts a pass rusher early.

I expect to see someone being moved to WR in the next week to fill the void left by Boldin. Maybe the Hanie signing means that we will be moving Tyrod Taylor to WR

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 17, 2013 5:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mcdni wrote:
Is any of this information a pre draft smoke screen?

The Ravens are moving Bryan Hall to ILB, therefore they probably aren't targeting an ILB at 32/62/94 so there is no need to trade ahead of them to get our guy. Boom Ozzie drafts an ILB early.

The Ravens are moving Kelechi Osemele to LT, therefore they probably aren't targeting a LT at 32/62/94 so there is no need to trade ahead of them to get our guy. Boom Ozzie drafts a LT early.

The Ravens are moving Pernell McPhee to Rush LB, therefore they probably aren't targeting a pass rusher at 32/62/94 so there is no need to trade ahead of them to get our guy. Boom Ozzie drafts a pass rusher early.

I expect to see someone being moved to WR in the next week to fill the void filled by Boldin. Maybe the Hanie signing means that we will be moving Tyrod Taylor to WR

Razz


I think you have it backwards -- Tyrod Taylor will be promoted to #1 QB and this guy moved to WR:


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 17, 2013 8:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

^^^ I'm still upset that he tripped there. He could've had a passing, rushing, and receiving TD as a rookie QB... that would've had to have been some kind of record.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 17, 2013 8:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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^^^ I'm still upset that he tripped there. He could've had a passing, rushing, and receiving TD as a rookie QB... that would've had to have been some kind of record.


Know who holds the distinction of being the first person to ever complete a pass, catch a pass, and receive a handoff in a Super Bowl game?

None other than my dentist.

No, seriously: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sam_Havrilak
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Flaccomania wrote:
diamondbull424 wrote:
^^^ I'm still upset that he tripped there. He could've had a passing, rushing, and receiving TD as a rookie QB... that would've had to have been some kind of record.


Know who holds the distinction of being the first person to ever complete a pass, catch a pass, and receive a handoff in a Super Bowl game?

None other than my dentist.

No, seriously: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sam_Havrilak

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 17, 2013 9:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

SnA ExclusiVe wrote:
It seems like people love making problems out of things...


Sound like anyone you know?
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 17, 2013 1:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

BaltimoreTerp wrote:
SnA ExclusiVe wrote:
It seems like people love making problems out of things...


Sound like anyone you know?


Nope.....*looks around awkwardly*
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 17, 2013 1:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Flaccomania wrote:
wackywabbit wrote:

McPhee has actually shown he could be an effective DE. He looked good as a rookie and had a few impact plays during this past playoffs at that position. Strange decision to move him to perhaps the most stacked position on our defense (team?).


SnA ExclusiVe wrote:
McPhee at OLB? Why? For what reasons? We already have Suggs/Upshaw/Dumervil out there, why add a starting DE to that group?!

McPhee is fine where he's at. It seems like people love making problems out of things that shouldn't even be problems (McPhee to OLB, KO to LT, etc.). Just leave him where he's at and let him do work at DE and let our more athletic guys like Dumervil and Suggs play the outside.


Just wanted to respond to both of these at the same time...

The thing with McPhee is that he's pretty good at getting after the QB -- but as for being a run stopper, he wasn't very strong at it last season. It's the main reason he and Jones split so much time -- Jones in early, McPhee in on more obvious passing downs/formations.

They aren't moving McPhee permanently to another position -- they are simply trying to find ways to get him on the field MORE. Rather than having him rotate simply with Jones at the DE position, they want to try to see if he can also rotate with Suggs to give him some relief at OLB. That way, we can utilize McPhee's ability to get after the QB more frequently. As was stated, McPhee will still be a DE in 4 man fronts, but we've all recognized that he really isn't a fit at the 5-tech full time because he's undersized and isn't great against the run. So, by trying to let him play some OLB in a Suggs role, he could see the field more and keep Suggs fresh at the same time. I'm not sure what "bad" can come out of that, really.


But, you see the problem here, right? If they are trying to get him on the field more, they are taking away reps from more talented and natural pass rushers like Dumervil and even taking more reps away from Upshaw as well.

This just has to be a smokescreen. I can't possibly envision the Ravens creating so many problems out of nothing and actually being serious about it.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 17, 2013 8:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

SnA ExclusiVe wrote:

But, you see the problem here, right? If they are trying to get him on the field more, they are taking away reps from more talented and natural pass rushers like Dumervil and even taking more reps away from Upshaw as well.

This just has to be a smokescreen. I can't possibly envision the Ravens creating so many problems out of nothing and actually being serious about it.


How does McPhee filling in/rotating with Suggs impact Upshaw/Dumervil?

You're looking for something that isn't there.

It's no different than say a guy like Hamilton, McAdoo or McClellan taking reps there -- except that McPhee has shown that he can get to the QB in the NFL. Now, they are seeing if they can use that talent to keep their best pass rusher fresher through the course of a season. It isn't going to take anything away from Dumervil/Upshaw in the slightest.

And the Ravens aren't creating any sorts of problems -- you're creating them in your head. They are trying guys at different positions in off-season workouts to see the kind of flexibility we could have moving into the regular season. Stop the overreactions.
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