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lightsout85


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 14, 2013 1:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ugLymayNe wrote:
What twitch does is it takes the sprinting part of SS and isolates their COD skills.


I understand that. I was just wondering if any thought was given to cases where a player has a good/great 3-cone (which is also a COD drill - especially highlighting "bend") but has an oddly-low SS (that might lead one to believe the player just messed up doing the drill).

Would you just have to say in hindsight that it was an aberration & point to the 3-cone as the reason the player succeeded despite a bad twitch? (As it was noted Wimbley has been successful and was the only person in his group that had a sub-7s 3cone). You could always run a regression of 3cone vs SS times (for a position) and just substitute the bad SS with what the predicted SS would be based on their 3-cone, but I just thought I'd ask if anyone had come up with a "way around" this possible weakness in the metric. (Not that many player have this odd mis-match of times, but still interesting to me).
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deathstar


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 14, 2013 3:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Instead of trying to fix the time, maybe it's pointing to a flaw in the player?
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lightsout85


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 14, 2013 8:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

deathstar wrote:
Instead of trying to fix the time, maybe it's pointing to a flaw in the player?


I'd be curious as to what makes each of the 2 drills unique? That is, on the surface they're both COD drills. I've seen analysis on 3-cone's correlation to a player's ability to bend & pass-rush from the edge - so I'm curious as to if there's something that SS captures that 3-cone doesn't. If not, I was just asking if there was anything other than hindsight to evaluate those odd-cases of bad SS + great 3-cone. There's nothing wrong with that, "____ doesn't grade out well in Twitch, but he's got a great 3-cone so he'll probably still be successful", but I was curious.
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Nuke


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PostPosted: Sat May 10, 2014 9:36 pm    Post subject: Re: 3-4 OLB's, by the #'s (Updated) Reply with quote

Waldo wrote:

Formulas used:
Twitch = Shuttle - 2*10 yd split - (1.60 - 10 yd split)
Bump to add 2014 list, and to point out that "twitch" formula can be done easier. Shuttle - 10 yard split - 1.60 is the exact same, and it's easier to do.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AmG38OtkC7qLdE1JTDRwaUJvZ2ZZMGtWM3NHN052U3c&usp=sharing#gid=0

EDIT:Now that I'm looking at it, per his formula players are punished for running a good 10 yard split. Starr has the lowest twitch by a mile because he A: had the best shuttle in the group and B: had the 3rd worst 10 yard split in the group.
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