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[Porter22]

[Hypnotic]

Jarvis Jones all day, Mingo doesnt seem to be as much of a sure thing compared to Jones and his tape doesnt impress me.

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[Harper41]

I'm not banging Mingo on production. It's WHY he didn't produce. Dion Jordan didn't produce because he often dropped into coverage and is relatively new to DE. Mingo didn't produce because of work ethic, lack of strength and inconsistent technique.
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[Harper41]

I didn't understand most of that, and I get most of you guys are LSU fans but Dion Jordan is just a superior prospect to Mingo. Theirs a reason Jordan is slated in the top 5 by most scouts and Mingo is all over the place.
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[krewebrees]

Here's my say in this matter. When it comes to evaluating prospects I look at measurables for later round guys only. Example RBs Goodwin and Micheal. Top round talent I look at mostly film, stats measurables or numbers. Y'all've been talking about these four linebackers Jones Jordan Mingo and Moore.

I haven't done my heavy off season scouting on Moore yet, just watched some of his games live.

Of the other three I like Jones the least. He plays slower and hesitates, but I still like his versatility, and would be happy to get him.

I really like the other two's film. I do thing Mingo is a better pass rusher and Jordan better run stopper/tackler. With them I think it comes down to what we need. Galette is our jack linebacker which is what I think would be Mingo's only position. I see Jordan more of a Sam (SOLB). I would be happy with either one. I think I like Mingo a little better, but its the position that worries me. I would rather start Galette than Hawthorne and getting Mingo would likely mean Galette would sit and Hawthorne would start.

So I would go:
Dion Jordan
Jarvis Jones
Barkevious Mingo
Damontre Moore (TBD)
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[sammymvpknight]

Regardless of what anyone tells you...the best indicator of the future is what you have done in the past. That applies to ANYTHING under the sun and not just football. If I am trying to find a good doctor to work under me...I don't look at his IQ...I look at the whole picture. Has he been a high achiever in high school? College? Med School? If he has...there is no reason for me to believe that the guy can't get it done. Now if he had the same credentials as a guy with a much higher IQ...of course I am going with the equally qualified smarter guy.

There is lots that goes into sports. It's certainly not just athletic ability. Some of the best athletes that I have known throughout my life were not the best football players. Football is a skill...and each position has its unique skillset.

Sure...production in college does not mean production in the NFL...but it does if the scouting is conducted properly. Instead of looking at the numbers and assuming...you actually had to determine why someone was productive. When you get a guy like Jarvis Jones...you have a guy going up against elite competition and still consistantly looks like the better player on the field. Why? Because despite that elite competition knowing that he is the best player on the field...he still racks up 13 sacks a year in a shortened college season. He has elite pass rushing SKILLS. He didn't get those sacks by accident. It wasn't because he was playing against crap competition or that opposing offenses neglected him. He has elite footwork, closing speed, QBs don't break his tackles, and the dude is a maniac at causing turnovers.

Jordan and Mingo were above average/good college players. They were not special players. Now how you can extrapolate how an average/good college player turns into a great NFL player is beyond me. It doesn't happen very often. It happened with JPP...but that had lots to do with JPP being a baby when it came to maturation in the sport. You can make that argument for Ansah...but no way can you make it for Mingo and Jordan. Both guys did not produce at the college level. If both players could rack up 10+ sacks, do you not think that their coaches would have put them into those positions to thrive? Do college coaches not like a legit pass rush from their defense?

Or how about this...they were put in the roles that their coaches felt they could do well in. Mingo was not as good of a pass rusher than Montgomery in college...so he played on the strong side. He went up against RTs and not LTs...and still struggled to beat his man. He has absolutely no bullrush (quite it with the Aldon Smith comparison)...doesn't have pass rush moves...and just tries to outrun his blocker to the outside for sacks all game...of which he wasn't successful against less athletic college RTs. He is awful against the run and has no experience in pass coverage. He was horrible at angles...do you think that issue is going to resolve with playing in even more space as an OLB? And he often wasn't strong enough to collect the sack when he did get his hands on the QB.

Dion Jordan's strength is his diversity. But where does the guy play at the next level? Is he only a subpackage guy. I have serious concerns about his weight and issues with leverage on the strong side. But by putting him on the weakside you also play against his strengths because at this point he is only an average pass rusher...and WOLB doesn't have many coverage responsbilities. He is an elite athlete but may have trouble finding a true position.

There is no question in my mind that Jarvis Jones should be the #1 OLB taken in the draft. No question at all. Is Jones the perfect prospect? No...but nobody is. Look at the scouting reports of every great pass rusher of all time and you will find negatives. But he is the guy who has proven that he at least has the ability to be elite against his current competition.

I am certainly higher on Jamie Collins than Mingo and have Collins neck and neck with Dion Jordan. Collins and Jones are by are the most complete OLB prospects.

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[jcvoodoo]

Only guy I'd feel ecstatic picking at 15 (of the mentioned names) is JJ. If a choice presented itself, say JJ or Dion Jordan, I'd pick JJ with no hesitation.
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