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PostPosted: Sat Mar 23, 2013 4:59 am    Post subject: um yeah... it could happen mock Reply with quote

ok so never post but maybe 1 or 2 mocks at best. this is just more thinking out loud mock than really putting any real invested time into is.

this is also under the assumption that sanders is gone. i still believe he will be offered something that we cant match and not sure that is a bad thing. I like sanders but would love to remake our wr corp a lil to help be better inside the 20.

1st- LB Jarvis Jones (Georgia)
2nd- LB Manti Te’o (Notre Dame)
3rd- WR Da’Rick Rogers (Tennessee Tech)
3rd- S Tony Jefferson (Oklahoma)
4th- WR Cobi Hamilton (Arkansas)
5th- RB Christine Michael (Texas A&M)
6th- CB Dwayne Gratz (UConn)
6th- DT Montori Hughes (Tennessee Martin)
7th- S Jawanza Starling (USC)

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 23, 2013 6:56 am    Post subject: Re: um yeah... it could happen mock Reply with quote

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1st- LB Jarvis Jones (Georgia)
2nd- LB Manti Te’o (Notre Dame)
3rd- WR Da’Rick Rogers (Tennessee Tech)
3rd- S Tony Jefferson (Oklahoma)
4th- WR Cobi Hamilton (Arkansas)
5th- RB Christine Michael (Texas A&M)
6th- CB Dwayne Gratz (UConn)
6th- DT Montori Hughes (Tennessee Martin)
7th- S Jawanza Starling (USC)

tear it up


Are you kidding me? Not much to not like. I don't necessarily believe we'll touch Rogers with a 10 ft pole and Hamilton has horrible "mitts" as it were, but just by virtue of your 1st two picks, I'd be ecstatic. I can just substitute two WRs I think are more likely to be selected like Stedman Bailey and Chris Harper and imagine those two instead and I'd love it!

But overall, I like it!
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 23, 2013 4:54 pm    Post subject: Re: um yeah... it could happen mock Reply with quote

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BigSnack wrote:


1st- LB Jarvis Jones (Georgia)
2nd- LB Manti Te’o (Notre Dame)
3rd- WR Da’Rick Rogers (Tennessee Tech)
3rd- S Tony Jefferson (Oklahoma)
4th- WR Cobi Hamilton (Arkansas)
5th- RB Christine Michael (Texas A&M)
6th- CB Dwayne Gratz (UConn)
6th- DT Montori Hughes (Tennessee Martin)
7th- S Jawanza Starling (USC)

tear it up


Are you kidding me? Not much to not like. I don't necessarily believe we'll touch Rogers with a 10 ft pole and Hamilton has horrible "mitts" as it were, but just by virtue of your 1st two picks, I'd be ecstatic. I can just substitute two WRs I think are more likely to be selected like Stedman Bailey and Chris Harper and imagine those two instead and I'd love it!

But overall, I like it!


Too many issues with some of those players. Jones's 40 time doesn't really scare me, its the fact that I think he's a little overrate as a 3-4 OLB.

T'eo- we all know about his issues

Rogers's past, makes me think he probably is off the draft board.

Jefferson is a solid pick

Christine- over sleeping at the combine and issues of a "bad attitude" at A&M
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 23, 2013 6:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jefferson may fall like a rock, despite some good skills he looked far too slow on the field at times, enough to cause significant concerns. I liked him early but too many times where he looked like he was standing still as runners blew by.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 23, 2013 7:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This looks like the Red Flag draft! Laughing I love the talent in this draft. Of course there are many concerns. Some of which I feel comfortable with, others not. Jones is definitely worth the risk imo. Rogers, not so sure. I agree with Ward about switching Bailey and Harper for Rogers and Hamilton. We don't need another problem child or body catcher. Otherwise, love Jefferson, I hope JPN is wrong about his assessment of him. Te'o, despite all of his baggage could be a solid buck for us imo. And Michael I absolutely love his talent and running style, but not sure about his fumbling and off the field stuff.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 24, 2013 1:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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This looks like the Red Flag draft! Laughing I love the talent in this draft. Of course there are many concerns. Some of which I feel comfortable with, others not. Jones is definitely worth the risk imo. Rogers, not so sure. I agree with Ward about switching Bailey and Harper for Rogers and Hamilton. We don't need another problem child or body catcher. Otherwise, love Jefferson, I hope JPN is wrong about his assessment of him. Te'o, despite all of his baggage could be a solid buck for us imo. And Michael I absolutely love his talent and running style, but not sure about his fumbling and off the field stuff.
Good effort!


that was kind of the theme of the draft that i think most of these picks have the talent to be drafted earlier than where i have them picked. But most have something that is a flag to knock them down a lil to possible land at our picks. It really all started a lil while back when i started thinking about the possiblility of both jones falling to our pick in the 1st and teo falling to our pick in the 2nd. I decided to play out all our picks with some one falling to our pick that really shouldnt in terms of talent.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 24, 2013 1:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Jefferson may fall like a rock, despite some good skills he looked far too slow on the field at times, enough to cause significant concerns. I liked him early but too many times where he looked like he was standing still as runners blew by.


JPN, I have to disagree. Jefferson looks fast to me. I went back and looked at all the games I could find. He looks fast, athletic, and is a huge hitter. Looks to have good instincts and discipline. I would love to see him in the B&G. Did he have a slower than expected 40 time? Yes, though he did have one unofficial 40 in the 4.5s I believe. He's not lacking in football speed in the least imo, he was all over the field. He seemed to diagnose plays really well, he missed a few, but who doesn't. My only criticism of him would be his over-agressive tackling, missing a few because of it. But I'd rather have to reign him back in than if he lacked aggression. Overall, I rate him as a good tackler. Nothing I saw out of this kid (only 21) that couldn't be coached up. I hope he does fall. Would be great if the Steelers nabbed him in the 4th or even better the 5th. Personally I would grab him in the 3rd without hesitation. I think he could be that good in our defense. *pounding the table* Laughing
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 24, 2013 1:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

JLambert58 wrote:
This looks like the Red Flag draft! Laughing I love the talent in this draft. Of course there are many concerns. Some of which I feel comfortable with, others not. Jones is definitely worth the risk imo. Rogers, not so sure. I agree with Ward about switching Bailey and Harper for Rogers and Hamilton. We don't need another problem child or body catcher. Otherwise, love Jefferson, I hope JPN is wrong about his assessment of him. Te'o, despite all of his baggage could be a solid buck for us imo. And Michael I absolutely love his talent and running style, but not sure about his fumbling and off the field stuff.
Good effort!


Plus he's been injury-prone as well. Too many negatives for me to want Michael on the team.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 24, 2013 7:56 am    Post subject: Re: um yeah... it could happen mock Reply with quote

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ok so never post but maybe 1 or 2 mocks at best. this is just more thinking out loud mock than really putting any real invested time into is.

this is also under the assumption that sanders is gone. i still believe he will be offered something that we cant match and not sure that is a bad thing. I like sanders but would love to remake our wr corp a lil to help be better inside the 20.

I believe that Sanders stays at least for this year. He signs the one year deal and hopes that he puts up big numbers as a starter. He will then get a better deal in Pittsburgh or elsewhere.

1st- LB Jarvis Jones (Georgia)

Buyer beware! He could be another Huey Richardson or he could thrive in our system in a year or so. I think he is a football player. Use him to do some pass rushing as a rookie until he learns the system. Slow 40 time? Hopefully he does't have to run 40 yards after any QB. Very Happy

2nd- LB Manti Te’o (Notre Dame)

Buyer Bware II. Manti has proven that like most 21 year olds (I know some 45 year olds as well) he doesn't always handle pressure well. Gut tightened on him in the big stage after some pressure. He can grow out of that. He's a good football player and would be a steal here.

3rd- WR Da’Rick Rogers (Tennessee Tech)

Rolling the dice too much. You gotta play it smart and cover yourself in case you lose. Don't want all of your time managing playes issues. If he grows up he can be like Dez Bryant. That is what scares me. I would love Baylor WR Terrence Williams here if he fell according to this mock.

3rd- S Tony Jefferson (Oklahoma)

I have no problem with this pick. He is more of a zone coverage guy. He is a bigger and slightly faster version of Darrin Perry in terms of playing style.

4th- WR Cobi Hamilton (Arkansas)

You moved from dice to blackjack. This time more of an on field gamble. He will take some time to develop into an NFL style WR,but he has the physical tools. Terrence Williams Part Deux in terms of abilities and Jarvis Jones Part Deux in terms of can he make the transition.


5th- RB Christine Michael (Texas A&M)

The roulette wheel is spinning now. Is he recovered from the knee fully? Will he continue to grow afterwards? Is his best football still in front of him or behind him?

6th- CB Dwayne Gratz (UConn)

Good value pick here. Could probably help on special teams out the gate.

6th- DT Montori Hughes (Tennessee Martin)

Got you out of the casino, but you went straight to the race track. Great value here, especially if he has matured as a young man. He has the body type and tools to fit our system.

7th- S Jawanza Starling (USC)

Don't know much about.

tear it up


Hey where's the Honey Badger in your mock? Thst would have made it even more interesting.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 24, 2013 12:57 pm    Post subject: Re: um yeah... it could happen mock Reply with quote

Steeler Hitman wrote:
BigSnack wrote:
ok so never post but maybe 1 or 2 mocks at best. this is just more thinking out loud mock than really putting any real invested time into is.

this is also under the assumption that sanders is gone. i still believe he will be offered something that we cant match and not sure that is a bad thing. I like sanders but would love to remake our wr corp a lil to help be better inside the 20.

I believe that Sanders stays at least for this year. He signs the one year deal and hopes that he puts up big numbers as a starter. He will then get a better deal in Pittsburgh or elsewhere.

1st- LB Jarvis Jones (Georgia)

Buyer beware! He could be another Huey Richardson or he could thrive in our system in a year or so. I think he is a football player. Use him to do some pass rushing as a rookie until he learns the system. Slow 40 time? Hopefully he does't have to run 40 yards after any QB. Very Happy

2nd- LB Manti Te’o (Notre Dame)

Buyer Bware II. Manti has proven that like most 21 year olds (I know some 45 year olds as well) he doesn't always handle pressure well. Gut tightened on him in the big stage after some pressure. He can grow out of that. He's a good football player and would be a steal here.

3rd- WR Da’Rick Rogers (Tennessee Tech)

Rolling the dice too much. You gotta play it smart and cover yourself in case you lose. Don't want all of your time managing playes issues. If he grows up he can be like Dez Bryant. That is what scares me. I would love Baylor WR Terrence Williams here if he fell according to this mock.

3rd- S Tony Jefferson (Oklahoma)

I have no problem with this pick. He is more of a zone coverage guy. He is a bigger and slightly faster version of Darrin Perry in terms of playing style.

4th- WR Cobi Hamilton (Arkansas)

You moved from dice to blackjack. This time more of an on field gamble. He will take some time to develop into an NFL style WR,but he has the physical tools. Terrence Williams Part Deux in terms of abilities and Jarvis Jones Part Deux in terms of can he make the transition.


5th- RB Christine Michael (Texas A&M)

The roulette wheel is spinning now. Is he recovered from the knee fully? Will he continue to grow afterwards? Is his best football still in front of him or behind him?

6th- CB Dwayne Gratz (UConn)

Good value pick here. Could probably help on special teams out the gate.

6th- DT Montori Hughes (Tennessee Martin)

Got you out of the casino, but you went straight to the race track. Great value here, especially if he has matured as a young man. He has the body type and tools to fit our system.

7th- S Jawanza Starling (USC)

Don't know much about.

tear it up


Hey where's the Honey Badger in your mock? Thst would have made it even more interesting.


this is perfect analysis of my mock..... hence the sarcasm in the title. was merely trying to put in risk picks but at spots where most are considered value to most and would they be value enough for us to consider them.

PS you forgot me playing Pai Gow and craps...... gotta keep pressing them bets
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 24, 2013 5:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I absolutely don't get the love for Jarvis Jones AT ALL.

First of all, Steelers WOULDN'T touch him. In 2nd or later, maybe not with first round.

Secondly, there are some players in later rounds that fits our defense better tha Jarvis Jones can...

Which come to my point, can anyone explain to me what does exactly that Jarvis Jones has to offer that... Chase Thomas for example, doesn't?

Chase thomas is bigger, at similar speed, has same explosion, has team-first mentality, and is better at run stopping.

Mind you, I know this is just mock but I'm more surprised that more mocks have us going wrong paths than the better road...

Again, I'm just ranting my thoughts, no hate toward the mock or any other mock Very Happy
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 24, 2013 6:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gatoradus wrote:
I absolutely don't get the love for Jarvis Jones AT ALL.

First of all, Steelers WOULDN'T touch him. In 2nd or later, maybe not with first round.

Secondly, there are some players in later rounds that fits our defense better tha Jarvis Jones can...

Which come to my point, can anyone explain to me what does exactly that Jarvis Jones has to offer that... Chase Thomas for example, doesn't?

Chase thomas is bigger, at similar speed, has same explosion, has team-first mentality, and is better at run stopping.

Mind you, I know this is just mock but I'm more surprised that more mocks have us going wrong paths than the better road...

Again, I'm just ranting my thoughts, no hate toward the mock or any other mock Very Happy


are you sure this wasnt some hatoradus? just kidding.... I am really not sold on any 1 single player in this draft really. i cant even say i like my own mock as much as like i said i was kinda putting up some players that will maybe fall for 1 reason or another.

side note is if we were to go after say a wr in the 1st then i am all about thomas afterwards.
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I absolutely don't get the love for Jarvis Jones AT ALL.


The draft is like looking at pretty girls during spring break. Some are great to look at, but rarely do you find the one (Wifie). He is a football player, not the greatest athlete, but he can play football.



First of all, Steelers WOULDN'T touch him. In 2nd or later, maybe not with first round.

Unless you have some inside information, I am not so sure about that. If he fell to us depending on who else was on the board, I could see the Steelers taking him. We will see April 26.


Secondly, there are some players in later rounds that fits our defense better than Jarvis Jones can...

I agree that there are some more complete LB's, better athletes, and guys with potential, but I don't think many are rated as high as Jarvis Jones. The team won't fall apart if they don't draft Jones.

Which come to my point, can anyone explain to me what does exactly that Jarvis Jones has to offer that... Chase Thomas for example, doesn't?

I think Jones is a far better pass rusher and a much quicker athlete. The 40 times may be similar, but it is like comparing FS Taylor Mays to FS/CB Michael Huff. Mays is bigger, stronger, faster and a better athlete, but he does not have the skills to cover that Huff has.


Chase Thomas is bigger, at similar speed, has same explosion, has team-first mentality, and is better at run stopping.

Mind you, I know this is just mock but I'm more surprised that more mocks have us going wrong paths than the better road...

That is pretty subjective and the beauty of this time of year. Jessica Beil or Jessica Alba?


Again, I'm just ranting my thoughts, no hate toward the mock or any other mock Very Happy


We are all just having fun Hatoradus! Very Happy
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steeler hitman, sorry man but you lost me right there. WHO does look for a wife at any kind of spring break festival? Then with Jessice Biel (its spelled Biel btw) and Jessica Alba, I'm not too sure you know what you are saying anymore.

When the steelers have a project on their roster, they usually cut them if they feel like they aren't going anywhere, schematically and talent-wise. Jason Worilds is everybody's least favorite, I know this but it doesn't take away what he has to offer. We also have rooney's favorite alan robinson waiting on depth and it may be a good time for him to get his feet wet after a year of hitting playbook.

Factors I have to look at when it come to jarvis jones...
1). Age. He'll be 24.
2). Developmental. I think Jarvis Jones is much closer to his ceiling than we'd like.
3). Position. We already have two of linebackers being 2nc and 3rd highest paid players. We also spent 2nd round on Worilds.
4). Talent. Does he stand out from the crowd? No, not really. the talent pool is really close, if we miss out on him, it is likely we can find a next guy who can contribute as much.
5). Pass-rushing. People said his pass-rushing is really good and yes that's true but he's more of a speed-rushing specialist and we all saw how slow he was... he'd not be able to bullrush anybody, doesn't have strength or size for it. If anything, Worilds is a better speed-rushing specialist.
6). Bigger needs. We lack playmakers on offense side badly and with us letting mendenhall and wallace go, Heath Miller being out indefinitely we suddenly look like a team that has franchise qb with a cupcake offense. I have said before that we probably will go with a receiver, either tight end or wide receiver but wouldn't be surprised if we go with a running back (hopefully not) or a left tackle (Lane Johnson come to mind).
7). Financial and draft strategy. You don't draft to play them now, you try to avoid that. The steelers knew James Harrison would be let go, would they be this inprofessional to. Replace an former all-pro pass-rusher with a 24-years old rookie? Doubt it. When you are in the situation, you draft players in 1st round to replace whom they can contribute with immediately.

Bottom-line. I just don't see it and I actually know this; the steelers are desperate right now, likely on the offense side because they lack redzone production badly and its been like this past years.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 25, 2013 9:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gatoradus wrote:
Jason Worilds is everybody's least favorite, I know this but it doesn't take away what he has to offer.


Yes, he sure has alot to offer...like the inability to beat a tackle that lays a finger on him, the inability to play the run effectively and the inability to drop into coverage.

But hey, at least he has that explosion and can get to the QB when he isnt touched or only has a RB to beat! Cant ask for more than that.
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