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Who do you want if we can't grab Geno?
Another QB? (Manuel, Nassib, Barkley, Wilson etc)
16%
 16%  [ 3 ]
Cordarrelle Patterson
27%
 27%  [ 5 ]
Offensive Linemen (Fisher, Warmack, Johnson)
5%
 5%  [ 1 ]
Jarvis Jones
33%
 33%  [ 6 ]
Dee Milliner
11%
 11%  [ 2 ]
Other (List in your response)
5%
 5%  [ 1 ]
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DKTurtle51


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 17, 2013 9:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

chrisororke wrote:
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Steelers fan here. First off I want to start by saying that Geno Smith will not be there when you pick so you might want to find a spot on that wall that you want to bash your head against. I think Oakland and Arizona are the most likely landing spots for him.

That being said, you NEED someone that will help your future young QB. When I look at Patterson I see someone that is dynamic and an unbelievable playmaker but he is a body catcher and he is unproven as he only had one year of production and granted it was half of what say a Tavon Austin produced. I think #8 might be too high for him.

I think the move is to draft Tavon Austin at #8. You need a playmaker in that offense and Austin is a proven commodity. If they had a defense and won more games than Austin should've won the Heisman. He is probably the best playmaker in this draft and he can help the Bills in a million ways. Most importantly, he will NOT BUST. Patterson has a very low floor and Austin has a high ceiling as well as a high floor, thus, being a great pick.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T3_UNFZHSQU

--i see a better Percy Harvin, his cutting ability is uncanny, he can fly, and is the most DYNAMIC playmaker in this draft

The second move is where the Steelers come in. I don't think you have a problem drafting Tyler Wilson at #41 but that is not what you want. I think Nassib has a great chance of being picked up by his former coach. #8 would be a reach for Nassib but say if you trade with the Steelers than you definitely get your man and you get a guy I know you will be targeting at pick #8 after Geno is off the board.

The price #41, 2014 1st for PIT 1st #17.

Thoughts?
I would never make that trade. Buffalo seems to be rebuilding (yet again) and we face a brutal schedule next year. I expect our 2014 1st to be in the top 5.

Also, if I were to think Nassib is good enough to draft at #17, I would draft him at #8. If I liked him enough to give up #41 and next years 1st, I would certainly like him enough to take him at #8.


I don't think Nassib is even close to #8 worthy but you need to overdraft a QB and a QB only. So, a QB like Nassib who is better value at #41 then #17, but he might not be there at #41.
I think you missed my point. It doesn't matter what you or I think of Nassib. If an NFL team thinks enough of him that they want to move up from #41 to #17 to get him, they probably think enough of him to draft him at 8. [/list]
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 17, 2013 9:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mort on Mike & Mike talk about a possible first round run on quarterbacks. Smith, Barkley and Nassib are mentioned. Draft day will certainly be very interesting, there are a ton of possible scenarios regarding the QBs.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 17, 2013 11:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

DKTurtle51 wrote:
chrisororke wrote:
DKTurtle51 wrote:
chrisororke wrote:
Steelers fan here. First off I want to start by saying that Geno Smith will not be there when you pick so you might want to find a spot on that wall that you want to bash your head against. I think Oakland and Arizona are the most likely landing spots for him.

That being said, you NEED someone that will help your future young QB. When I look at Patterson I see someone that is dynamic and an unbelievable playmaker but he is a body catcher and he is unproven as he only had one year of production and granted it was half of what say a Tavon Austin produced. I think #8 might be too high for him.

I think the move is to draft Tavon Austin at #8. You need a playmaker in that offense and Austin is a proven commodity. If they had a defense and won more games than Austin should've won the Heisman. He is probably the best playmaker in this draft and he can help the Bills in a million ways. Most importantly, he will NOT BUST. Patterson has a very low floor and Austin has a high ceiling as well as a high floor, thus, being a great pick.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T3_UNFZHSQU

--i see a better Percy Harvin, his cutting ability is uncanny, he can fly, and is the most DYNAMIC playmaker in this draft

The second move is where the Steelers come in. I don't think you have a problem drafting Tyler Wilson at #41 but that is not what you want. I think Nassib has a great chance of being picked up by his former coach. #8 would be a reach for Nassib but say if you trade with the Steelers than you definitely get your man and you get a guy I know you will be targeting at pick #8 after Geno is off the board.

The price #41, 2014 1st for PIT 1st #17.

Thoughts?
I would never make that trade. Buffalo seems to be rebuilding (yet again) and we face a brutal schedule next year. I expect our 2014 1st to be in the top 5.

Also, if I were to think Nassib is good enough to draft at #17, I would draft him at #8. If I liked him enough to give up #41 and next years 1st, I would certainly like him enough to take him at #8.


I don't think Nassib is even close to #8 worthy but you need to overdraft a QB and a QB only. So, a QB like Nassib who is better value at #41 then #17, but he might not be there at #41.
I think you missed my point. It doesn't matter what you or I think of Nassib. If an NFL team thinks enough of him that they want to move up from #41 to #17 to get him, they probably think enough of him to draft him at 8. [/list]


I don't agree because it is the concept of value. You look at the board and after you the New York Jets would consider QB but they will go defense bc no one warrants being selected top 10 outside of Geno. If QB has a 2nd rd grade and you take him at #8 that is terrible value. However, at #17 it looks a little better bc you have to overdraft QB to get the guy you want and I already mentioned the Nassib/Marrone connection

After the Jets no other team will be considering QB round one so then it becomes the game of chicken. Who will trade up first? I definitely foresee a run on QBs so the Bills have to trade up at some point or they will be sitting there with Tyler Wilson and JP Losman was a better prospect than him. That's why you trade up to #17 before the run on QBs so you definitely get your guy. The last thing you want is getting greedy and waiting too long to trade up and then having to settling for a QB you don't really want. Yeah you don't pay as much but is that really worth having to go through the same thing when that QB fails in 2-3 years. That is how busts happen and then you are in the same spot you are now. It is much better to be bold and get your guy so then years later you aren't saying what if.

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 18, 2013 1:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

chrisororke wrote:
DKTurtle51 wrote:
chrisororke wrote:
DKTurtle51 wrote:
chrisororke wrote:
Steelers fan here. First off I want to start by saying that Geno Smith will not be there when you pick so you might want to find a spot on that wall that you want to bash your head against. I think Oakland and Arizona are the most likely landing spots for him.

That being said, you NEED someone that will help your future young QB. When I look at Patterson I see someone that is dynamic and an unbelievable playmaker but he is a body catcher and he is unproven as he only had one year of production and granted it was half of what say a Tavon Austin produced. I think #8 might be too high for him.

I think the move is to draft Tavon Austin at #8. You need a playmaker in that offense and Austin is a proven commodity. If they had a defense and won more games than Austin should've won the Heisman. He is probably the best playmaker in this draft and he can help the Bills in a million ways. Most importantly, he will NOT BUST. Patterson has a very low floor and Austin has a high ceiling as well as a high floor, thus, being a great pick.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T3_UNFZHSQU

--i see a better Percy Harvin, his cutting ability is uncanny, he can fly, and is the most DYNAMIC playmaker in this draft

The second move is where the Steelers come in. I don't think you have a problem drafting Tyler Wilson at #41 but that is not what you want. I think Nassib has a great chance of being picked up by his former coach. #8 would be a reach for Nassib but say if you trade with the Steelers than you definitely get your man and you get a guy I know you will be targeting at pick #8 after Geno is off the board.

The price #41, 2014 1st for PIT 1st #17.

Thoughts?
I would never make that trade. Buffalo seems to be rebuilding (yet again) and we face a brutal schedule next year. I expect our 2014 1st to be in the top 5.

Also, if I were to think Nassib is good enough to draft at #17, I would draft him at #8. If I liked him enough to give up #41 and next years 1st, I would certainly like him enough to take him at #8.


I don't think Nassib is even close to #8 worthy but you need to overdraft a QB and a QB only. So, a QB like Nassib who is better value at #41 then #17, but he might not be there at #41.
I think you missed my point. It doesn't matter what you or I think of Nassib. If an NFL team thinks enough of him that they want to move up from #41 to #17 to get him, they probably think enough of him to draft him at 8. [/list]


I don't agree because it is the concept of value. You look at the board and after you the New York Jets would consider QB but they will go defense bc no one warrants being selected top 10 outside of Geno. If QB has a 2nd rd grade and you take him at #8 that is terrible value. However, at #17 it looks a little better bc you have to overdraft QB to get the guy you want and I already mentioned the Nassib/Marrone connection

Where is the value in giving up a future #1? A #1 that will likely be a top 10 if not top 5 overall pick. How does it make sense to give up a top 10 pick and #41 for a guy because he isn't worth #8? The value at #17 is better. The value doesn't match up when you consider what it takes to acquire that pick.
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