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PostPosted: Thu Mar 07, 2013 12:30 am    Post subject: Dave Caldwell's "Draft History" Reply with quote

Quotes because clearly he wasn't involved in all of these decisions, but this should help get an idea of the pedigree that he comes from.

1996 Panthers
1 RB Tim Biakabutuka
2 WR Muhsin Muhammad
3 RB Winslow Olliver
3 DT J.C. Price
4 G Norberto Garrido
4 CB Emmanuel McDaniel
5 RB Marquette Smith
6 RB Scott Greene
7 WR Donnell Baker
7 DT Kerry Hicks

1997 Panthers
1 WR Rae Carruth
2 FS Mike Minter
3 LB Kinnon Tatum
4 LB Tarek Saleh
6 DE Matt Finkes

1998 Colts
1 QB Peyton Manning
2 WR Jerome Pathon
3 WR E. G. Green
4 C Steve McKinney
5 LB Antony Jordan
7 C Aaron Taylor
7 S Corey Gaines

1999 Colts
1 RB Edgerrin James
2 MLB Mike Peterson
3 G Brandon Burlsworth
4 CB Paul Miranda
5 DE Brad Scioli
7 P Hunter Smith
7 LB Corey Terry

2000 Colts
1 LB Rob Morris
2 LB Marcus Washington
3 CB David Macklin
4 DT Josh Williams
5 C Matt Johnson
7 DT Rob Renes
7 CB Rodregis Brooks

2001 Colts
1 WR Reggie Wayne
2 WR Idrees Bashir
3 S Cory Bird
4 OT Ryan Diem
5 CB Raymond Walls
6 S Jason Doering
7 OG Rick DeMulling

2002 Colts
1 DE Dwight Freeney
2 DT Larry Tripplett
3 SS Joseph Jefferson
4 OLB David Thornton
6 DT David Pugh
6 DB James Lewis
6 RB Brian Allen
7 DE Josh Mallard

2003 Colts
1 TE Dallas Clark
2 S Mike Doss
3 CB Donald Strickland
4 OG Steve Sciullo
5 DE Robert Mathis
5 LB Kenyon Whiteside
6 LB Cato June
6 OT Makoa Freitas

2004 Colts
2 S Bob Sanders
3 TE Ben Hartsock
3 LB Gilbert Gardner
4 LB Kendyll Pope
4 CB Jason David
5 OG Jake Scott
6 CB Von Hutchins
6 QB Jim Sorgi
7 K David Kimball

2005 Colts
1 CB Marlin Jackson
2 CB Kelvin Hayden
3 DE Vincent Burns
4 G Dylan Gandy
4 S Matt Giordano
5 DE Jonathan Welsh
5 C Rob Hunt
5 LB Tyjuan Hagler
6 K Dave Rayner
7 RB Anthony Davis

2006 Colts
1 RB Joseph Addai
2 CB Tim Jennings
3 ILB Freddie Keiaho
5 G Michael Toudouze
6 OT Charlie Johnson
6 FS Antoine Bethea
7 CB T. J. Rushing

2007 Colts
1 WR Anthony Gonzalez
2 OT Tony Ugoh
3 CB Dante Hughes
3 DT Quinn Pitcock
4 S Brannon Condren
4 LB Clint Session
5 WR Roy Hall
5 CB Michael Coe
7 DE Keyunta Dawson DE

2008 Falcons
1 QB Matt Ryan
1 OT Sam Baker
2 LB Curtis Lofton
3 CB Chevis Jackson
3 WR Harry Douglas
3 S Thomas DeCoud
5 LB Robert James
5 LB Kroy Biermann
6 RB Thomas Brown
7 CB Wilrey Fontenot
7 TE Keith Zinger

2009 Falcons
1 DT Peria Jerry
2 S William Moore
3 CB Christopher Owens
4 DE Lawrence Sidbury
5 CB William Middleton
5 OT Garrett Reynolds
6 LB Spencer Adkins
7 DT Vance Walker

2010 Falcons
1 OLB Sean Weatherspoon
3 DT Corey Peters
3 OT Mike Johnson
4 C Joe Hawley
5 CB Dominique Franks
5 WR Kerry Meier
6 S Shann Schillinger

2011 Falcons
1 WR Julio Jones
3 ILB Akeem Dent
5 RB Jacquizz Rogers
6 P Matt Bosher
7 OG Andrew Jackson
7 DE Cliff Matthews

2012 Falcons
2 C Peter Konz
3 OT Lamar Holmes
5 FB Bradie Ewing
5 DE Jonathan Massaquoi
6 S Charles Mitchell
7 DT Travian Robertson

First round picks by the numbers
2 QB
3 RB
4 WR + 1 pass catching TE
0 OL
1 DE
1 DT
2 LB
1 CB
1 S

10-6 in favor of offense

Some things to take away from this.
- Has never been on a staff that took an offensive lineman in the first round.
- His staffs have never been afraid to double or triple up on a position if they felt it was a need.

Any other trends you see? Things this tells you?

I'll see if I can discern more from this, but I wanted to get this out to you all before I went to sleep.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 07, 2013 12:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'll look through this specifically soon, but what should be noted:

In Atlanta, they were super into high character guys so don't expect that to change.

Figured I should mention that since he was with the Panthers when they selected Rae Curruth. Laughing
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 07, 2013 12:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Looking at this, if history is an indicator, it really doesn't change what we thought we know. It's still Geno vs pass rusher/DL. O-line seems out of the question, as those have typically been round 2-7 picks. And of course the value at RT/G isn't there anyway. They've been fond of playmakers (RB/WR), but there isn't one worth the pick at RB, or one that we would need at WR.

Obviously we know that in 2 out of the 3 stops he's been at, their first pick with him on the staff has been a top 3 pick on a QB (didn't have that type of pick in Carolina). He's only ever had one other top 5 pick, used on Edgerrin James the year after they drafted Peyton.

I'd almost expect at this point that we double (possibly triple) up on one of DE/LB/CB.

I think history kinda lends itself to this pick being Geno, but I think a pass rusher, where we get a RE at #2 and then spend a 3rd/4th on a LEO is still really likely.

Welp, I guess that dodn't do much. Laughing
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 07, 2013 12:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think we'll have a better idea once free agency gets underway
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 07, 2013 1:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nice post. Looks like somewhere in the draft we will select a center.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 07, 2013 1:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's certainly interesting and worth looking at. But as you mentioned, without him being necessarily in charge of, or even involved in a lot of that...i think it's gonna be tough to really infer trends like whether or not he will go QB at #2 from that. I mean, especially when you consider one of those is Peyton Manning. That's kind of a...well yeah, obviously.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 07, 2013 1:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tugboat wrote:
It's certainly interesting and worth looking at. But as you mentioned, without him being necessarily in charge of, or even involved in a lot of that...i think it's gonna be tough to really infer trends like whether or not he will go QB at #2 from that. I mean, especially when you consider one of those is Peyton Manning. That's kind of a...well yeah, obviously.
While I wouldn't take it as gospel, you'd think after 17 years of honing his craft under these systems, and being very, very successful in that model, that's one he's likely to continue to employ. At worst, it gives us the pedigree in which he's been bred from.

The pick for Manning could have easily been Ryan Leaf, according to many.


But yes, in the end this could be nothing more than a grain of salt if he acts differently. But with so little known, it's nice to have something as a "known" or that at least seems that way right now.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 07, 2013 2:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Tugboat wrote:
It's certainly interesting and worth looking at. But as you mentioned, without him being necessarily in charge of, or even involved in a lot of that...i think it's gonna be tough to really infer trends like whether or not he will go QB at #2 from that. I mean, especially when you consider one of those is Peyton Manning. That's kind of a...well yeah, obviously.
While I wouldn't take it as gospel, you'd think after 17 years of honing his craft under these systems, and being very, very successful in that model, that's one he's likely to continue to employ. At worst, it gives us the pedigree in which he's been bred from.

The pick for Manning could have easily been Ryan Leaf, according to many.


But yes, in the end this could be nothing more than a grain of salt if he acts differently. But with so little known, it's nice to have something as a "known" or that at least seems that way right now.


Yeah. It's certainly at least as informative as the alternative...that being...a complete crapshoot.

I think the biggest thing to take from it, is that he is fairly adaptable for the most part. And willing to take value where it lies, in addition to what we already know about him being something of a 'needs drafter'.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 07, 2013 12:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In 2008 while with the Falcons he took a 1st round LT. That 2008 class is crazy good, if we can duplicate that type of success we'll be contending in no time.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 07, 2013 12:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i don't think we can really take anything from this information, but it's interesting to think about
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 07, 2013 3:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

corry wrote:
In 2008 while with the Falcons he took a 1st round LT. That 2008 class is crazy good, if we can duplicate that type of success we'll be contending in no time.
I'm going to blame that on how tired I was. Embarassed I guess we revise that to never taken any non-LT in the first round, and never taken one of those before pick 20 (which is somewhat unfair because I think most of their picks have been post-20.

But yeah, I've been saying that since the first wave of "draft Geno" came around back in the middle of the season. If you get your Matt Ryan level quarterback (whether that's Gabbert with immense improvement, Geno, Tyler Wilson or someone next year), and you hit on rounds 2-4 with high impact players, you can turn a roster around fast. I think there's enough talent in the mid rounds to make that type of draft possible. The only problem I foresee with this quick turnaround potential is that we may be letting our FAs walk. That could rise is from needing 1-2 really good drafts to turn it around to needing 2-4. But that all really depends on which positions you end up hitting on.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 07, 2013 4:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Panthers drafted 4 RB's in 1996? Shocked
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Jaguarfan wrote:
Panthers drafted 4 RB's in 1996? Shocked


Holy crap, you're right! Shocked
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 08, 2013 2:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What he did with those RBs for the Panthers, is how I see him drafting DBs this offseason. DBs, a LEO, and a backup QB please.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 09, 2013 8:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That was a wonderful post.

I have come to say that the draft just seems to be a crap-shoot after looking over this list, but every so often you get a couple of gems.

This just gives the impression that the pick will be used on an offense player. Here is to the beginning of the Caldwell Regime.
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