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PostPosted: Tue Mar 05, 2013 12:23 pm    Post subject: The "TAYMMBYMLI" Mock. Reply with quote

I try not to do mock drafts because part of me hates being proven incorrect in a smattering of days after the post, but the mocks around here have kind of stagnated and I want to see something different. Without further ado:

Contract restructures:
QB Matt Cassel
DE Tyson Jackson

Thoughts: Like it or not, Cassel is a solid quarterback that can be valuable on this team. If he beats out the other QBs in camp, great. If he proves to be the worst of the four at camp, he gets cut. A restructure here saves us money. Jackson is a player on the way up, and keeping him at LE allows for stability in our transitioning defensive philosophy.

Notable Departures:
QB Brady Quinn
HB Peyton Hillis
DE Glenn Dorsey

Thoughts: Perhaps the only surprising departure is Colquitt. I have no idea what Colquitt is asking for, but considering he gets accolades for being one of the best punters in the league, I have to imagine his agent is pushing for some money. And Dorsey ain't gonna pay for him.

Notable Resignings:
OT Branden Albert
WR Dwayne Bowe
DE Ropati Pitoitua
DE Shaun Smith
LB Brandon Siler
LS Thomas Gafford
P Dustin Colquitt

Thoughts: No big surprises here. The Chiefs keep two offensive stars and bring back two very valuable defensive linemen.

Notable Additions:
QB Alex Smith [Via trade with San Fran for KC 2013 2nd.]
HB Rashad Jennings
LB Matt Roth
CB Greg Toler

Thoughts: We all know about Smith. Roth brings depth to the outside linebacker position. Toler would start across from Flowers.

THE NFL DRAFT



With the first pick in the 2013 NFL Draft, the Kansas City Chiefs select... Chance Warmack, Guard, University of Alabama.



nfldraftscout.com wrote:
Overview
Warmack hasn't received the national attention that his linemates Barrett Jones and D.J. Fluker have generated, but he has very much caught the eyes of NFL talent evaluators.

Unlike Jones and Fluker, Warmack saw action immediately upon signing with Alabama, playing in five games as a true freshman and earning the starting nod at left guard for each of the 26 contests since.

Despite a relative lack of fanfare, Warmack earned second-team All-SEC acknowledgement from conference coaches in 2011, and on tape it was easy to see why. While shorter than scouts would prefer, Warmack uses his natural leverage and surprisingly long arms to his advantage to move defenders off the line of scrimmage as a drive blocker, clearing a path for Alabama's talented ballcarriers.

Warmack vaulted up the draft boards of many NFL talent evaluators with another excellent campaign in 2012, earning consensus All-American and All-SEC honors during Alabama's run to the national title.

As a veteran with 40 career starts and the ability to get to the second level, Warmack has developed himself into a likely top 10 selection in April.

Analysis
STRENGTHS: Warmack is considerably lighter on his feet than one would expect given his stout frame, and is adept at meeting and eliminating linebackers at the second level.
In pass protection, Warmack does a nice job of supplying an initial punch and grasping hold of his opponent, showing good lateral agility to slide as well as the anchor to handle powerful bull-rushers.

Warmack is equally effective when asked to drive defensive tackles off the ball or beat linebackers to the action at the second level.

WEAKNESSES: Due to his lack of height, Warmack may lack the position versatility of his more recognizable linemates Barrett Jones and D.J. Fluker, but he is further along in his development than Fluker and, frankly, makes more eye-popping blocks than Jones. Size means that he'll be relegated strictly to interior blocking in the NFL.

COMPARES TO: Will Shields, OG, Kansas City Chiefs -- Let's be clear, no incoming rookie truly deserves comparison to a first ballot Hall of Famer, but Warmack is a rare prospect. While perhaps a tad shorter than ideal, Warmack uses his natural leverage advantage to consistently get under the pads of his opponents, driving them off of the ball in the running game and anchoring in pass protection. His lateral agility and balance make him effective getting to and blocking at the second level and handling quicker pass rushers, as well.

He has a long way to go before threatening Shields' record of 231 consecutive starts in the NFL, but proved durable in the SEC, starting every game the past three seasons.

--Rob Rang

Game Tape: vs LSU (2012), vs Tennessee (2012), vs Notre Dame (2013 BCS Championship)
Interview: Post-BCS (2013), Combine (2013)
My thoughts: Chance Warmack is one sexy fat man. He is without a doubt the best guard in this class, and perhaps the best player available at one. Yet I don't see many mocks with Warmack going #1 overall, citing his position of guard not being quite as important as tackle. Yet, Dorsey says go BPA. If Warmack is rated as the BPA, he's going to be the pick.

The First Round:
1. Kansas City Chiefs | Chance Warmack | OG | Alabama
2. Jacksonville Jaguars | Barkevious Mingo | DE | LSU
3. Oakland Raiders | Star Lotulelei | DT | Utah
4. Philadelphia Eagles | Luke Joeckel | OT | Texas A&M
5. Detroit Lions | Dee Milliner | CB | Alabama
6. Cleveland Browns | Bjoern Werner | DE | Florida State
7. Arizona Cardinals | Eric Fisher | OT | Central Michigan
8. Buffalo Bills | Geno Smith | QB | West Virginia
9. New York Jets | Jarvis Jones | LB | Georgia
10. Tennessee Titans | Sheldon Richardson | DT | Missouri
11. San Diego Chargers | Cordarelle Patterson | WR | Tennessee
12. Miami Dolphins | Keenan Allen | WR | California
13. Tampa Bay Buccaneers | Xavier Rhodes | CB | Florida State
14. Carolina Panthers | Sharrif Floyd | DT | Florida
15. New Orleans Saints | Dion Jordan | Monster | Oregon
16. St. Louis Rams | Kenny Vaccaro | FS | Texas
17. Pittsburgh Steelers | Damontre Moore | Monster | Texas A&M
18. Dallas Cowboys | Ezekiel Ansah | DE | Brigham Young
19. New York Giants | Tyler Eifert | TE | Notre Dame
20. Chicago Bears | Lane Johnson | OT | Oklahoma
21. Cincinnati Bengals | Jonathan Cooper | OG | North Carolina
22. St. Louis Rams [Via WAS] | Eddie Lacy | HB | Alabama
23. Minnesota Vikings | Jesse Williams | DT | Alabama
24. Indianapolis Colts | Manti Te'o | LB | Notre Dame
25. Seattle Seahawks | Zach Ertz | TE | Stanford
26. Green Bay Packers | DJ Fluker | OT | Alabama
27. Houston Texans | Tavon Austin | WR | West Virginia
28. Denver Broncos | Kawann Short | DT | Purdue
29. New England Patriots | Johnathan Hankins | DT | Ohio State
30. Atlanta Falcons | Kevin Minter | LB | LSU
31. San Francisco 49ers | Desmond Trufant | CB | Washington
32. Baltimore Ravens | Arthur Brown | LB | Kansas State

Rest of the Chiefs Draft:
Round 3 - Pick 63 | Gavin Escobar | TE | San Diego State

nfldraftscout.com wrote:
Overview
Every team in the NFL is looking for the next mismatch down the seam along the lines of All-Pros Rob Gronkowski and Jimmy Graham. While Stanford's Zach Ertz and Notre Dame's Tyler Eifert received most of the attention across the country, no tight end was more valuable to his team's success in 2012 than Escobar.
The lanky junior led the Aztecs in catches (42), receiving yards (543) and touchdowns (six), earning not only First Team All-Mountain West honors but also being named a semifinalist for the Mackey Award as the nation's top tight end. The numbers would be even more impressive if not for the fact that they are a drop from the production he had a year ago, when Escobar exploded for 51 catches for 780 yards and seven touchdowns while catching passes from Ryan Lindley, now a member of the Arizona Cardinals.

Like Lindley and his three other former SDSU teammates drafted in 2011 (running back Ronnie Hillman, linebacker Miles Burris and defensive tackle Jerome Long), Escobar hasn't received the national attention that his talent warrants.

Perhaps he will when he winds up proving a standout during pre-draft workouts and ultimately earning a selection within the first 100 picks of the 2013 draft.

Analysis
STRENGTHS: Looks the part of today's hybrid receiver/tight end, possessing broad shoulders, a relatively slim waist and great length. Natural pass-catcher with excellent hand-eye coordination and rare body control for a man of his size. Shows the ability to leap and contort in the air to adjust to the ball, making him an effective jump-ball candidate. Tracks the ball well over his shoulder and has the straight-line speed to challenge the seam. Good quickness and balance to generate separation against linebackers and uses his size well to make him a difficult matchup against defensive backs. Creative open-field runner, showing vision to set-up blocks, as well as the surprising lateral agility to elude and the speed to pull away for long gains. Developing blocker who bends his knees and shows enough strength and tenacity to turn and seal off defenders.
WEAKNESSES: A featured target in this offense and is often lined up in the slot rather than as a traditional tight end. Can get stymied at the point of attack with a strong pop, though he's shown improved hand play to defeat the jam. Lacks the strength to sustain blocks for long. Possesses a deceptive, gliding gait but may not run well in workouts.

Compares To: Scott Chandler, TE, Buffalo Bills -- Like the former Iowa wideout, Escobar's value to his future NFL team will be in his ability to stretch the seam and make difficult grabs over the middle. If allowed to split out wide in this role, he could quickly emerge as a dangerous weapon.

Game Tape: vs Boise State (2012)
Interview: Xtra Sports 1360AM (2012), Combine (2013)
My thoughts: I'm not sure if Escobar will slide down this far on draft day, but I have him falling to us here. Eifert and Ertz are graded higher, and I expect a guy like Kasa and Kelce to be graded out higher on most boards. Escobar is really, really well-rounded and BPA at the top of the third. He can come in and challenge for the starting spot almost immediately.

Round 3 - Pick 96 (Compensatory) | Nico Johnson | LB | Alabama

nfldraftscout.com wrote:
Overview
One need only take a glance at the linebackers annually voted to the Pro Bowl to see that in today's NFL, scouts are taught to look for playmakers.
Johnson hasn't proven himself to be a consistent pass rusher or turnover machine during his time at Alabama but his size, athleticism and physicality in the running game makes him one of the more intriguing linebackers of the 2013 draft class.

He signed with the Tide as an incredibly highly regarded prep prospect, choosing Alabama over the likes of LSU and virtually every other SEC team. Even the USC Trojans ventured into Alabama to try to land the 2009 High School Butkus Award finalist.

It didn't take long for Johnson to demontrate why he was so highly rated, as he played in 12 games for the Tide as a freshman, starting three times at "will" linebacker in the team's 3-4 scheme. Over the course of his career, Johnson would switch between this role and "middle" linebacker, starting when the team needed an extra thumper in the running game.

Johnson is a perfect example of Alabama's depth and Nick Saban's genius in placing his players in position to succeed. He started "just" 18 of his 51 career games for the Tide, with the most time running with the first unit coming during his sophomore season (2010) and leaves having posted 162 tackles over his career. As a point of reference, Toledo's Dan Molls, himself a potential 2013 draft pick, recorded 166 tackles just this season.

Johnson isn't likely to hear his name called earlier than Day Three. He's not likely to earn a spot in a future Pro Bowl. Teams needing help defending the run, however, will be certain to scout him closely. Big and physical enough to handle the strongside role in the 4-3, as well as shedding blockers as an inside linebacker in the 3-4, he just might this year's most underrated "specialist" of the linebacker pool.

Analysis
Strengths
Physically imposing defender with good overall musculature and weight distribution. Has a thick lower body which aids in his anchoring against blockers. Seems to enjoy the physical nature of the game, aggressively taking on and shedding blockers at the point of attack. Appears most comfortable inside, showing the ability to make subtle side-steps to slip into gaps and meet backs at the line. Forceful hitter whose core strength is obvious as he grabs, twists and pulls ball-carriers to the ground. Gives a strong jolt to potential pass-catchers to knock them off of their routes and shows some initial flexibility and quickness to run with them. Hasn't missed a game over his career due to injury.

Weaknesses

Isn't the intimidating striker that his physicality might lead you to believe. Doesn't often leave his feet and explode through his hips as a hitter to knock ball-carriers to the ground. Instead, he latches on and 'rassles them in a manner that may not appear as aesthetically pleasing but gets the job done, nonetheless... Doesn't play as fast as might appear in workouts. Limited awareness as a pass defender. Does not possess ideal speed or fluidity to handle coverage responsibilities for long... Relies on watching the quarterback's eyes to gain an edge. Wasn't asked to rush the passer often while at Alabama and shows limited technique in this role. Relies mostly on a simple bull-rush, which is marginally effective.

Compares To: Bart Scott, ILB, New York Jets

Rob Rang

Game Tape: vs Tennessee (2012)
Interview: Senior Bowl (2013)
My thoughts: Yet another 'Bama player taken not just by this team, but in this draft. He'll come in and be expected to compete for the spot next to Derrick Johnson.

Round 4 - Pick 96 | Zac Dysert | QB | Miami of Ohio

nfldraftscout.com wrote:
Overview
Having overtaken Ben Roethlisberger as Miami of Ohio's career passing leader (12,016 yards) despite playing under three head coaches and a combined five different positional coaches and offensive coordinators, Dysert ranks as one of the more intriguing second-tier signal-callers available in the 2013 draft.
Dysert signed with Miami of Ohio after a terrific prep career that saw him earn the 2007 Art Teynor Award given annually to the state of Ohio's elite high school player. He passed for 3,714 yards and 35 touchdowns despite missing three-and-a-half games with a broken thumb and demonstrated his toughness and commitment to the team by simply switching to wide receiver and linebacker when the injury kept him from throwing the ball.

After redshirting in 2008 (earning the RedHawks's Offensive Scout Team Player of the Year), Dysert emerged as the starting quarterback in 2009, beginning a string of four years at the helm.

Despite the changes in coaching, Dysert made steady progress as a passer over his career, watching his touchdown-to-interception ratio improve from 2009 (12 TDs/16 INTs) to 2010 (13/12) to 2011 (23/11) and finally culminating with a senior campaign that saw him lead the MAC in both passing touchdowns (25) and passing yardage (3,483 yards) with just 12 interceptions.

Despite Dysert's impressive career totals, his numbers should have been even better. The coaching turnover wasn't the only obstacle Dysert had to overcome while at Miami of Ohio. Unreliable receivers, including during his senior season, also contributed to him earning just third-team all-MAC accolades as a senior. These factors could lead to Dysert making a significant jump up draft boards during the all-star game and workout sessions leading up to the draft.

Analysis
STRENGTHS: Looks the part of an NFL quarterback. Possesses broad-shoulders and a strong frame, overall. Possesses an efficient, over-the-top release and good accuracy on in-cutting routes.
Generally steps into his throws and flashes impressive accuracy when throwing on the move (typically rolls to his right). Good touch, especially on intermediate and deeper passes. Stands strong in the pocket to exhaust his throwing options.

Is a good overall athlete who isn't afraid to take off and run with the ball. While not particularly elusive or fast, Dysert is more athletic than he looks and is a determined runner who knows where he has to go to keep the chains moving.

Good intangibles for the position. Didn't seem fazed by hostile environments (Ohio State, Boise State) and is the first three-time captain in Miami history.

WEAKNESSES: Played out of a shotgun-heavy offense in 2012 that simplified his reads and made the vast majority of his throws underneath tosses that simply don't translate to the NFL. Rarely asked to drive the ball down the field and may not possess the velocity to slip balls through tight windows. Highly inconsistent accuracy on the move, often forcing his receivers to adjust their routes.

COMPARES TO: Josh McCown, QB, Chicago Bears -- Just like McCown, Dysert possesses enough natural talent to potentially warrant a top 100 selection, but he's a work in progress who has shown just average accuracy on the types of throws he'll be asked to make in the NFL.

--Rob Rang

Game Tape: vs Boise State (2012), vs Kent State (2012), vs Ohio State (2012)
Interview: MAC Media day (2012)
My thoughts: Dysert's getting a lot of heat on him for his offseason workouts and his "scheme" in 2012, and I've even seen a Blaine Gabbert comparison when talking about him. This guy should be taken in the third but I have him falling to us here. It's a good value pick for a couple reasons. Dysert needs his game cleaned up a tad, and would shine after a couple years of sitting. He would be a solid backup to Smith in spot duty, who could challenge for the job somewhere down the line.

Round 5 - Pick 127 | Vince Williams | LB | Florida State

nfldraftscout.com wrote:
Overview
A highly regarded prep prospect, Williams signed with Florida State over the likes of LSU, Florida and Ohio State. He played in 12 games as a true freshman, ranking second among the team's first year players with 10 tackles.
A back injury forced him to redshirt in 2009 and he saw only limited duty as a backup in 2010, recording 17 stops. He earned the starting inside linebacker role in 2011 but actually shared the role with Telvin Smith. Despite starting 12 of 13 games and having the action funneled his way in FSU's 4-3 alignment, Williams recorded "just" 54 tackles, fifth on the team.

Williams wasn't significantly more productive during his senior season, recording 59 tackles, including a career high 6.5 for loss, but he showed improved instincts and physicality. Invited to the Senior Bowl, Williams turned a few heads in Mobile with a couple of eye-popping hits and could have positioned himself for a rise up draft boards should he work out well.

Analysis
Strengths
Aggressive run defender who isn't afraid to "shoot his gun" and attack the ball. A quick accelerator who can close on the ball. Generally a reliable open-field tackler and flashes an explosive pop. Plays the game angry, showing some nastiness as a tackler. Possesses a short, stocky frame that and good upper body strength, which allows him to take on blocks and, if not break free from them, at least hold up the action, helping to create a pile.

Weaknesses

A step slow in diagnosing the action. Often is sucked towards the line of scrimmage on play-action, leaving himself vulnerable. Has only average straight-line speed for the position and can be beaten to the edge and in coverage. A bit stiff in his upper body, providing too many glancing blows of the ball-carrier rather than striking him head-on. Missed the 2009 season with a back injury and was sidlined for much of spring practice as a senior with a "slight crack" in his tibia.

Compares To: Akeem Dent, ILB, Atlanta Falcons

Rob Rang

Game Tape: vs Georgia Tech (2012), vs Northern Illinois (2013 Bowl Game)
Interview: Post-Orange Bowl (2013)
My thoughts: linebacker depth is a hole on this team, and taking Williams after Johnson earlier gives youth and talent to the position.

Round 6 - Pick 160 | Joseph Fauria | TE | UCLA

nfldraftscout.com wrote:
Overview
The nephew of former NFL tight end Christian Fauria (who played most notably with the Seahawks, New England Patriots), Joseph was a highly regarded prep prospect who originally signed with Notre Dame.
Fauria (pronounced Fore-EE-AA) saw action in three games as a true freshman but recorded no catches and elected to transfer to UCLA to play under Rick Neuheisel just as his uncle had when he played his collegiate ball at Colorado. After sitting out the 2009 season due to the NCAA's transfer policy, Fauria struggled to make an impact for the Bruins in 2010 catching just three passes for a total of 21 yards. Two of his catches did go for scores, however, leading to high hopes that Fauria would breakout in 2011.

The big, athletic pass-catcher did exactly that a season ago. Despite inconsistency at the quarterback position, Fauria emerged as a standout for the Bruins, hauling in 39 passes for 481 yards and six scores.

While new offensive coordinator Noel Mazzone has traditionally featured receivers more than tight ends as part of his high-octane passing attack, Fauria offers a combination of size and athleticism that is rare and worthy of exploiting. He remains raw as a blocker, often electing to cut defenders rather than take them on with physicality one might expect given his size.

Analysis
Fauria's value lies in his ability as a mismatch in the passing game. While not a speed threat in the Jimmy Graham mold, Fauria shows impressive flexibility and agility as a route-runner, soft hands to make tough catches and the combination of strength, fluidity and leaping ability (see Stanford, 2011) to be a "Bruin" after the catch. With just nine career starts entering the 2012 season, Fauria remains rough around the edges and far from a first round lock but the physical upside is such that he's currently ranked as NFLDraftScout.com's top senior tight end in the country.
--Rob Rang

Game Tape: vs Colorado (2011), vs Stanford (2011), vs Nebraska (2012)
Interview: Post-Practice with UCLA Media (2011)
My thoughts: Kind of funny to take two tight ends in one draft, but the Chiefs are weak in this area and need some development. With Escobar coming in to challenge Moeaki, Fauria comes in to challenge JOC and Maneri. Fauria is a good prospect who could really help out the passing game and also line up at fullback. Sure, he won't be good at fullback initially, but he'd perform as a Hernandez-type of athlete for the offense to manipulate.

Round 7 Pick 191 | Dexter McCoil | FS | Tulsa

Game tape: vs BYU (2011), vs Arkansas (2012), vs Iowa State (2012), vs UCF (2012)
Interview: Presser with Tulsa Media (2011)
My thoughts: I'm not going to give lengthy prose on drafting a free safety in the seventh. Camp body who's on the outside looking in.

Roster Post-Draft:
QB: Alex Smith | Matt Cassel | Zac Dysert | Ricky Stanzi
HB: Jamaal Charles | Rashad Jennings | Shaun Draughn | Cyrus Gray | Nate Eachus
FB: Patrick DiMarco
WR: Dwayne Bowe | Josh Bellamy | Junior Hemingway
WR: Jon Baldwin | Jamar Newsome | Terrance Copper
Slot WR: Dexter McCluster | Devon Wylie | Mardy Gilyard
TE: Gavin Escobar | Tony Moeaki | Joseph Fauria | Steve Maneri | Martin Rucker
LT: Branden Albert | Donald Stephenson | Steven Baker
LG: Jeff Allen | Ryan Durand
C: Rodney Hudson | Bryan Mattison | Luke Patterson
RG: Chance Warmack | Jon Asamoah | Rich Ranglin
RT: Eric Winston | Dustin Waldron

LE: Tyson Jackson | Shaun Smith | Jerrell Powe
NT: Dontari Powe | Anthony Toribio | Daniel Muir
RE: Allen Bailey | Ropati Pitoitua | Marcus Dixon
LOLB: Justin Houston | Matt Roth
LILB: Nico Johnson | Brandon Siler | Vince Williams
RILB: Derrick Johnson | Cory Greenwood
ROLB: Tamba Hali | Andy Studebaker
CB: Brandon Flowers | Jalil Brown
NCB: Javier Arenas | DeQuan Menzie
FS: Kendrick Lewis | Husain Abdullah | Tysyn Hartman | Dexter McCoil
SS: Eric Berry | Kyle McCarthy | Jose Gumbs
CB: Greg Toler | Neiko Thorpe

K: Ryan Succop | Matt Szymanski
P: Dustin Colquitt
LS: Bryan Mattison
PR: Dexter McCluster
KR: Javier Arenas

Thoughts? Took me forever to finish this thing. If someone wants to see my four-round mock lemme know. It's probably way different than anyone else's. Laughing
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 05, 2013 12:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nice work on this man. It looks great.

Asamoah is the best guard on the team. I don't see how Chance could start over him. I would like to see Chance on the left next to Albert with Asamoah keeping his spot on the right. Jeff Allen was atrocious last year.

With that being said, taking a guard in the second last year and first this year would be tough, especially since we have Asamoah. For some reason that just doesn't click for me. Is a guard really a guy that's going to put us over the top? I don't think so. But I do think we need to upgrade LG, just not with the #1 pick in the entire draft.

Those linebackers sure look good though.
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Eric Berry wrote:
Nice work on this man. It looks great.

Asamoah is the best guard on the team. I don't see how Chance could start over him. I would like to see Chance on the left next to Albert with Asamoah keeping his spot on the right. Jeff Allen was atrocious last year.

With that being said, taking a guard in the second last year and first this year would be tough, especially since we have Asamoah. For some reason that just doesn't click for me. Is a guard really a guy that's going to put us over the top? I don't think so. But I do think we need to upgrade LG, just not with the #1 pick in the entire draft.

Those linebackers sure look good though.

I agree. I don't know why I kept Allen starting at LG. If we take Chance, I'd like to see him as the backup OT on both sides (and see if he could perform at RT better than Winston, even).
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I like all the players you have but to me rather than double dipping at LB and TE I've gotta use a pick on a cb and a higher pick in a better S. lets face it division goes through Denver and we need to beef up secondary IMO
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I've been kicking the Warmack idea around for a few days, glad to see you put it on paper. I like the pick. Going safe with the No. 1 pick is wise. Gambling with the No. 1 pick isn't. I just don't see a safer, sounder, more solid pick than Warmack at this point. As for the - can a LG really put this team over the top? Well, maybe. There's not statistical measure for how much he could help Charles, Bowe, A. Smith, etc. Sure he's not carrying the ball across the goaline, but we don't need him to.

Bottom line: the Chiefs are making moves that say, 'we think we can win now.' Warmack helps immediately. Other, riskier prospects probably require more time and work and won't contribute next year. That's why Warmack is tempting.

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I love warmack as a player and the UNC G Cooper too! U think both those guys are studs and completely worthy of discussion as top picks in this particular draft class.
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Bama homer! Laughing

I keed, I keed.

Okay, maybe not.

Maybe?

Iono.


Anyhoo, as much as I love Warmack, I'm equally skeptical about Allen Bailey being able to start at RE. I envision a Jeff Allen-esque collapse in our rushing defense. That scares me. I can dig the rest of the draft. If we went with a DE with our 1st pick, though, that probably means we wouldn't draft Dysert and instead, probably draft a guard with that pick. I'm a big fan of Escobar, but I have my doubts he'll fall to us in the 3rd. Actually, I like a ton of TE prospects in this year's draft, which is unusual for me. I'm usually crazy critical of the TEs, but this year is an extremely deep class at the position.

Very nice, informative and well thought out mock, though. I like.
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Ryk, I think this year is the year of the TE. Not only in the draft but in FA. Lots of available players, who can without a doubt contribute.
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I'm big on Toler and have been following his contract talks and it looks like both sides want to make a deal happen.
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Matt Cassel and solid should not in the same sentence together.

A Guard at one? Ew.

Besides that I'm okay with it.

Nico isn't a good pass defender though so I'm kinda concerned we'd only be getting an upgraded version of Belcher.
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I'm all for having the QB's in camp duke it out and understand the restructure of Cassel makes it seem ok...but he just needs to be gone, he's never gonna have the confidence here in a REAL GAME that he could somewhere else. And if you mean a top 15-20 backup is a solid QB, then yes he is a solid QB.

Even if Dorsey rates Warmack as BPA, that doesn't mean he'll be the pick. All good GM's use positional value in the equation of BPA. For example if he rates Warmack a 99 and, a CB 98, and a QB a 97...he's gonna take the QB, then CB, then Warmack.

No point taken Dysert unless they cut Stanzi Kraaken. Honestly it's hard to see a mock that upgrades this team less. We got no young CB, no DE, no 3rd safety,no WR...we doubled up on TE and LB, and the #1 pick is at a position of comparetively small impact (and your idea is to put him at a different position). If he played LG he would mostly be helping the run game where JC already puts up 5/6 ypc and has done so since the crappy line of '09...if we draft OL high, it would have to be to greatly improve the pass blocking.

Look at the names/depth at DE, CB, S, and WR on the post draft roster. It's ugly. It's ok to be different, but this is too much like Pioli for my taste.
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Diesel2692 wrote:
I like all the players you have but to me rather than double dipping at LB and TE I've gotta use a pick on a cb and a higher pick in a better S. lets face it division goes through Denver and we need to beef up secondary IMO

I did strongly consider a cornerback in the third, but I am not a huge fan of the prospects that were available. I agree the safety play should be improved, but I felt Abdullah (if he can perform at a 2011 level) and Lewis with McCoil in the wings is solid enough. I absolutely loathe our LB depth, and two tight ends is kind of a luxury, but Escobar would help us day one, and Fauria is someone I really like as a sleeper pick.

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I've been kicking the Warmack idea around for a few days, glad to see you put it on paper. I like the pick. Going safe with the No. 1 pick is wise. Gambling with the No. 1 pick isn't. I just don't see a safer, sounder, more solid pick than Warmack at this point. As for the - can a LG really put this team over the top? Well, maybe. There's not statistical measure for how much he could help Charles, Bowe, A. Smith, etc. Sure he's not carrying the ball across the goaline, but we don't need him to.

Bottom line: the Chiefs are making moves that say, 'we think we can win now.' Warmack helps immediately. Other, riskier prospects probably require more time and work and won't contribute next year. That's why Warmack is tempting.

To some extent I agree with this completely; I'm not a fan of safe picks. Looking at the other players available, Warmack is one of the best talents that can immediately help out this team. The only other in contention (in my mind) is Milliner on a realistic level. I consider Warmack a better guard than I consider Milliner a better corner, so Warmack was the pick. It's disgusting to see someone applaud a player's talent then say, "Well, the position that he plays isn't necessarily valuable enough, it's not a LT, DE, QB, CB, so why take him?" Why not take the best player available? I think that's Warmack. I won't hate the Warmack pick if we make it. I'm not sure I'll love any pick we make at #1 either.

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Anyhoo, as much as I love Warmack, I'm equally skeptical about Allen Bailey being able to start at RE. I envision a Jeff Allen-esque collapse in our rushing defense. That scares me.

I'm not sure Bailey will handle starting at RE. Post-draft, I envision Allen and Ropati battling it out at RE. If one of them sucks really, really badly, then moving Shaun Smith over to RE (instead of LE) and having them fight there too. On my roster I wasn't necessarily naming starters, simply putting the roster we currently have with the moves made. I didn't trim it down to 53 either.
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Rumless wrote:

To some extent I agree with this completely; I'm not a fan of safe picks. Looking at the other players available, Warmack is one of the best talents that can immediately help out this team. The only other in contention (in my mind) is Milliner on a realistic level. I consider Warmack a better guard than I consider Milliner a better corner, so Warmack was the pick. It's disgusting to see someone applaud a player's talent then say, "Well, the position that he plays isn't necessarily valuable enough, it's not a LT, DE, QB, CB, so why take him?" Why not take the best player available? I think that's Warmack. I won't hate the Warmack pick if we make it. I'm not sure I'll love any pick we make at #1 either.

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I think you answered your own question...because even if he's the best he isn't as valuable and won't make the impact of a slightly lesser rated player at those other positions. I don't see why it's disgusting when it makes so much sense. You don't win in the NFL by drafting G's, Safeties, ILB's (RVM), or Kickers with 100 ratings over those other positions.
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I'm not sure Bailey will handle starting at RE. Post-draft, I envision Allen and Ropati battling it out at RE. If one of them sucks really, really badly, then moving Shaun Smith over to RE (instead of LE) and having them fight there too. On my roster I wasn't necessarily naming starters, simply putting the roster we currently have with the moves made. I didn't trim it down to 53 either.


Do you envision us re-signing Pitoitua in real life? ...Or is this more of what you'd LIKE to see?
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Rumless wrote:
I'm not sure Bailey will handle starting at RE. Post-draft, I envision Allen and Ropati battling it out at RE. If one of them sucks really, really badly, then moving Shaun Smith over to RE (instead of LE) and having them fight there too. On my roster I wasn't necessarily naming starters, simply putting the roster we currently have with the moves made. I didn't trim it down to 53 either.


Do you envision us re-signing Pitoitua in real life? ...Or is this more of what you'd LIKE to see?

I have no possible idea what is going through Dorsey's mind. I like our DL depth, I think we could see Bailey or Pitooey develop into a starter. Just me flinging dookie around, though.
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