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AlwaysClutch15
Joined: 05 Jan 2013 Posts: 36
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Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2013 1:03 am Post subject: Is Vincent Jackson an elite receiver? |
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I certainly think so. It might have been a crazy notion just a year ago, but he certainly proved himself this year.
The stats were never there in San Diego, as he consistently produced good but not great numbers. I think considering how well he has played and how poorly Philip Rivers has played without him, it's pretty fair to say Rivers was holding him back.
Now, here is what Vincent Jackson has done this year:
Posted career highs in receptions and yards (none of his San Diego seasons came even close).
Ranked 9th in receiving first downs.
Ranked 5th in receiving yards despite Freeman's inconsistency (and his own).
Ranked 3rd in catches of over 20 yards.
Led the league in YPC.
Went HAM against the Panthers with the clutch TD catch and the 2.
Helped Mike Williams take his game to another level.
Helped the Buccaneers transform a poor offense into a dynamic one.
Jackson played ridiculously well this year, especially considering the inconsistency at the quarterback position. And the best is yet to come. VJax and Freeman will continue to develop chemistry. Freeman will improve. Williams will also improve. And our guards will return from injury. This offense is going to be lethal next year. The best is yet to come from the offense and from VJax himself. If you ask me, he's up there with the Megatrons and the Andres. |
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tml_gogo 
Joined: 02 Feb 2007 Posts: 14184 Location: Montréal
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Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2013 1:10 am Post subject: |
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I think you answered your own question.  _________________
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deuces22wild 
Joined: 07 Apr 2008 Posts: 12320 Location: Mack on the sig
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Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2013 1:10 am Post subject: |
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What is elite? Top 3, top 5, top 10?
All I know is he was a monster this year AND in years past. His yards per catch has always been among the top in the league. I don't think Rivers was holding him back, I do think his favorite weapon was Gates though. He was the number one option. No knock on Jackson of coarse, Gates will go down as one of the best receiving te's to ever play the game.
I expect Jackson to have another huge year. He won't have to be worrying about finding a home or getting to know new teammates or coaches.
Nicks will have the same impact this season as Jackson did last year. _________________
Adopt-a-Buc Jameis Winston 4,090 YDs 28 TDs 18 INTs |
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Evil Betty 
Joined: 21 Jan 2010 Posts: 310
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Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2013 1:43 am Post subject: |
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deuces22wild wrote: | What is elite? Top 3, top 5, top 10?
All I know is he was a monster this year AND in years past. His yards per catch has always been among the top in the league. I don't think Rivers was holding him back, I do think his favorite weapon was Gates though. He was the number one option. No knock on Jackson of coarse, Gates will go down as one of the best receiving te's to ever play the game.
I expect Jackson to have another huge year. He won't have to be worrying about finding a home or getting to know new teammates or coaches.
Nicks will have the same impact this season as Jackson did last year. |
I think of elite as top 5. I would rank Megatron, Fitzgerald, AJ Green, Julio Jones, and Andre Johnson as probably my top 5 unless I'm forgetting someone. That's not to put down anything Jackson did last year as he certainly exceeded everyone's expectations. I would rank him in the 6-10 area though. |
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Caaddy24 
Joined: 23 Jan 2007 Posts: 6066 Location: Houston
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Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2013 1:59 am Post subject: |
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There should be no question about it |
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REDandPEWTER 
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Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2013 6:56 am Post subject: |
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Yes. No questions asked. |
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CHOMP_CHOMP 
Joined: 06 Nov 2009 Posts: 5245 Location: Tampa
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Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2013 11:32 am Post subject: |
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I may get bashed for this but... I don't know if I would go as far as calling him elite.
Like you said top-5 is usually Calvin Johnosn, A.J. green, Larry Fitzgerald, Andre Johnson, and then Julio Jones.
I do think Jackson is in that 6-10 range like mentioned before, but I don't know if that is considered elite. He is an amazing player and I love him on our team.
But I think he has an elite skill set, not necessarily an elite player. Still a very, very good player. I just don't think he is quite there in that elite category. _________________
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tml_gogo 
Joined: 02 Feb 2007 Posts: 14184 Location: Montréal
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Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2013 11:43 am Post subject: |
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I think the top 5 or 10 thing is a bad way to judge 'elite'.
Jackson has elite measurables, he put up elite stats, and he made the average players around him (Williams and Freeman) much better. If you look at that, you would say he's elite. But because superfreaks like Calvin and Fitz exist, he's not? Not sure I agree with that.
In my opinion, I would not call Jackson a top 5 wideout, but he most certainly is elite. _________________
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indifference
Joined: 08 Nov 2010 Posts: 3566 Location: Los Angeles, CA
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Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2013 8:29 pm Post subject: |
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When I think of "elite" I think of WR's that are top 5 in most receiving categories that occurred in more than 1 season at least 3-4 seasons (disclaimer:unless that guy hasn't been in the league that long). So, no he isn't an elite WR just yet. I think 1 more season like last year and he's top 5 for sure. As of now, I got him at #6. And Julio Jones isn't an elite WR yet either, he's only had 1 year of having over 1,000 yards.
1) CJ
2) Fitz
3) AJ
4) Roddy White
5) Green
6) VJ |
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REDandPEWTER 
Joined: 31 Aug 2011 Posts: 11223
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Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2013 10:16 pm Post subject: |
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indifference wrote: | When I think of "elite" I think of WR's that are top 5 in most receiving categories that occurred in more than 1 season at least 3-4 seasons (disclaimer:unless that guy hasn't been in the league that long). So, no he isn't an elite WR just yet. I think 1 more season like last year and he's top 5 for sure. As of now, I got him at #6. And Julio Jones isn't an elite WR yet either, he's only had 1 year of having over 1,000 yards.
1) CJ
2) Fitz
3) AJ
4) Roddy White
5) Green
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Dude I'm a bucs fan and I'd definately say Julio jones is better than vjax. Nothing to take away from Jackson. He's an elite wr but Julio jones is better for sure. I'd say jones is better than Roddy white as well. I'd put it this way:
1. Megatron
2. Fitzgerald
3. Andre Johnson.
4. Julio jones.
5. AJ green
6. Roddy white.
7. Vincent Jackson. |
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bucstopshere 
 Joined: 21 Dec 2007 Posts: 14613 Location: Las Vegas
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Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2013 10:41 pm Post subject: |
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yes. Carry on _________________
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indifference
Joined: 08 Nov 2010 Posts: 3566 Location: Los Angeles, CA
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Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2013 2:02 pm Post subject: |
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REDandPEWTER wrote: | indifference wrote: | When I think of "elite" I think of WR's that are top 5 in most receiving categories that occurred in more than 1 season at least 3-4 seasons (disclaimer:unless that guy hasn't been in the league that long). So, no he isn't an elite WR just yet. I think 1 more season like last year and he's top 5 for sure. As of now, I got him at #6. And Julio Jones isn't an elite WR yet either, he's only had 1 year of having over 1,000 yards.
1) CJ
2) Fitz
3) AJ
4) Roddy White
5) Green
6) VJ |
Dude I'm a bucs fan and I'd definately say Julio jones is better than vjax. Nothing to take away from Jackson. He's an elite wr but Julio jones is better for sure. I'd say jones is better than Roddy white as well. I'd put it this way:
1. Megatron
2. Fitzgerald
3. Andre Johnson.
4. Julio jones.
5. AJ green
6. Roddy white.
7. Vincent Jackson. | Until Julio puts up numbers consistently, he isn't. Sure he was great this year but he didn't have an elite rookie season. So, no, he isn't yet. |
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AlwaysClutch15
Joined: 05 Jan 2013 Posts: 36
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Posted: Sat Mar 09, 2013 12:51 am Post subject: |
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tml_gogo wrote: | I think the top 5 or 10 thing is a bad way to judge 'elite'.
Jackson has elite measurables, he put up elite stats, and he made the average players around him (Williams and Freeman) much better. If you look at that, you would say he's elite. But because superfreaks like Calvin and Fitz exist, he's not? Not sure I agree with that.
In my opinion, I would not call Jackson a top 5 wideout, but he most certainly is elite. |
This. Well, almost. I say he's a top 5 receiver. He's no Megatron or Fitz, but he's the next best thing. |
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Pvsports9
Joined: 31 Jan 2008 Posts: 1536
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Posted: Sat Mar 09, 2013 1:19 pm Post subject: |
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he's very good...not elite |
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