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flyingmonkey30
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Rtnldave
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| Captain Zapp wrote: | - Resign Connor and LP to 1 yr deals.
- Let Spencer, Jenkins, Felix and all others walk.
- Extend the contracts of Romo and Lee.
- Give Henry Melton the Brandon Carr treatment; bring him to Dallas and dont let him leave without a contract.
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- Trade - #18 to Minnesota for #23 and #84
23: Barret Jones, OL Alabama
47: Alex Okafor, DE Texas
80: LeVeon Bell, RB Mich St
84: Jonathan Bostic, LB Florida
111: DJ Swearinger, FS S Carolina
144: Brandon McGee, CB Miami
175: Chris Gragg, TE Ark |
I love the idea of trading back to aquire more picks. I'm assuming the "tag and trade" scenario for Spencer is only a pipe dream and not going to happen? I ask this because of the players you mentioned (Spencer, Jenkins, F. Jones and problaby Spears-my addition) we get NOTHING in return for them? Man, there are FOUR 1st round picks with less then stellar careers just walking out the door. That is unacceptable.
We have to get something for AT LEAST one of those players. This is the problem I have with hanging on to players that are 8-10 years in the league already.
If we are not even making the playoffs for crying out loud, then we should beging to move some of them before we are faced with a situation of having to resign them to a large contract or let them walk.
And make no mistake, if we are going to move a veteran player I expect a decent round pick in the draft (2nd-4th) or a player of considerable talent at a position of greater need for us.
As for the draft, I like it except for the guys in bold type. We are pretty well stacked at LB and CB right now. If we draft another CB in ANY round I will absolutely puke. We just spent 50 million on 1 guy and traded away our 2nd from last year for another. "ENOUGH FROM THE CLOWN!" As far as I'm concerned, those positions are covered for now.
I would go O line and D line again. Someone on here once wrote "Early and Often" when it came to drafting for the trenches. This is one year when that absolutely has to happen.
The Melton deal, I like this very much. |
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Runaway Jim
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Trade down with the Chiefs, pick 18 for pick 34 and the first pick in the third.
2. Jonathan Cyprien S Florida International
2. Larry Warford G Kentucky
3. Cornellius Carradine DE Florida State
3. Montee Ball RB Wisconsin
4. Jordan Hill DT Penn State
5. Travis Johnson OLB San Jose State
6. Michael Buchanan DE Illinois
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plan9misfit
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| Runaway Jim wrote: | Trade down with the Chiefs, pick 18 for pick 34 and the first pick in the third.
2. Jonathan Cyprien S Florida International
2. Larry Warford G Kentucky
3. Cornellius Carradine DE Florida State
3. Montee Ball RB Wisconsin
4. Jordan Hill DT Penn State
5. Travis Johnson OLB San Jose State
6. Michael Buchanan DE Illinois |
If we're trading out of the 1st round, I wouldn't accept any compensation which didn't include a 1st round pick in 2014.
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flyingmonkey30
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| plan9misfit wrote: | | Runaway Jim wrote: | Trade down with the Chiefs, pick 18 for pick 34 and the first pick in the third.
2. Jonathan Cyprien S Florida International
2. Larry Warford G Kentucky
3. Cornellius Carradine DE Florida State
3. Montee Ball RB Wisconsin
4. Jordan Hill DT Penn State
5. Travis Johnson OLB San Jose State
6. Michael Buchanan DE Illinois |
If we're trading out of the 1st round, I wouldn't accept any compensation which didn't include a 1st round pick in 2014. |
Agreed, 100% agree. I'm starting to think that might be our best move given how deep this draft is in the 2nd and 3rd rounds.
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CowboysTilIDie
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| Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2013 10:13 am Post subject: |
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| flyingmonkey30 wrote: | | plan9misfit wrote: | | Runaway Jim wrote: | Trade down with the Chiefs, pick 18 for pick 34 and the first pick in the third.
2. Jonathan Cyprien S Florida International
2. Larry Warford G Kentucky
3. Cornellius Carradine DE Florida State
3. Montee Ball RB Wisconsin
4. Jordan Hill DT Penn State
5. Travis Johnson OLB San Jose State
6. Michael Buchanan DE Illinois |
If we're trading out of the 1st round, I wouldn't accept any compensation which didn't include a 1st round pick in 2014. |
Agreed, 100% agree. I'm starting to think that might be our best move given how deep this draft is in the 2nd and 3rd rounds. |
Here's the question though: Would Garrett even consider that an option since he knows he needs to add impact players right now since this is basically his make or break year?
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plan9misfit
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| CowboysTilIDie wrote: | | flyingmonkey30 wrote: | | plan9misfit wrote: | | Runaway Jim wrote: | Trade down with the Chiefs, pick 18 for pick 34 and the first pick in the third.
2. Jonathan Cyprien S Florida International
2. Larry Warford G Kentucky
3. Cornellius Carradine DE Florida State
3. Montee Ball RB Wisconsin
4. Jordan Hill DT Penn State
5. Travis Johnson OLB San Jose State
6. Michael Buchanan DE Illinois |
If we're trading out of the 1st round, I wouldn't accept any compensation which didn't include a 1st round pick in 2014. |
Agreed, 100% agree. I'm starting to think that might be our best move given how deep this draft is in the 2nd and 3rd rounds. |
Here's the question though: Would Garrett even consider that an option since he knows he needs to add impact players right now since this is basically his make or break year? |
The head coach shouldn't be the one making the draft day decisions. That should fall upon the GM since that's a GMs primary responsibility unless control of personnel is written into the coaches contract, and we know that isn't the case here. So ultimately, Joan should be making that decision, not Redball.
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CowboysTilIDie
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| Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2013 11:36 am Post subject: |
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| plan9misfit wrote: | | CowboysTilIDie wrote: | | flyingmonkey30 wrote: | | plan9misfit wrote: | | Runaway Jim wrote: | Trade down with the Chiefs, pick 18 for pick 34 and the first pick in the third.
2. Jonathan Cyprien S Florida International
2. Larry Warford G Kentucky
3. Cornellius Carradine DE Florida State
3. Montee Ball RB Wisconsin
4. Jordan Hill DT Penn State
5. Travis Johnson OLB San Jose State
6. Michael Buchanan DE Illinois |
If we're trading out of the 1st round, I wouldn't accept any compensation which didn't include a 1st round pick in 2014. |
Agreed, 100% agree. I'm starting to think that might be our best move given how deep this draft is in the 2nd and 3rd rounds. |
Here's the question though: Would Garrett even consider that an option since he knows he needs to add impact players right now since this is basically his make or break year? |
The head coach shouldn't be the one making the draft day decisions. That should fall upon the GM since that's a GMs primary responsibility unless control of personnel is written into the coaches contract, and we know that isn't the case here. So ultimately, Joan should be making that decision, not Redball. |
This is true. But, its been widely reported that Joan takes LOTS of input (maybe too much) from his scouts and coaches when making decisions. I wouldn't put it out reach for Garrett to convince Jerry that staying put in this year's draft is the best way to go. You really have faith that Jerry would disagree and actually plan for the future? I don't.
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Texas_OutLaw7
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Free Agents:
Matt Slauson, OG
Elbert Mack, CB
Robert Turner, OT
Lawrence Sidbury, DE
Philip Wheeler, OLB
Henry Melton, DT
The Draft:
Trade Down to the 24th overall pick and pick up a 3rd and a 7th
1. Jonathan Cooper, G, North Carolina
2. Sylvester Williams, DT, North Carolina
3. Tank Carradine, DE, Florida State
3. Christine Michael, RB, Texas A&M
4. Josh Evans, S, Florida
5. Jelani Jenkins, OLB, Florida
6. Matt Scott, QB, Arizona
7. Mychal Rivera, TE, Tennessee
Undrafted Free Agents:
Darryl Morris, CB - Texas St U
Mitchell Gale, QB - Abilene Christian
Mike Catapano, DE - Princeton
Zach Rogers, WR - Tennessee
Offense: 25
QB: Tony Romo | Kyle Orton | Matt Scott
RB: Demarco Murray | Christine Michael | Lance Dunbar
FB: Lawrence Vickers
WR: Dez Bryant | Dwayne Harris | Cole Beasley
WR: Miles Austin | Danny Coale
TE: Jason Witten | James Hanna | Mychal Rivera
LT: Tyron Smith | Darrion Weems
LG: Jonathan Cooper | Nate Livings
C: Kevin Kowalski | Mackenzy Bernadeau
RG: Matt Slauson | Ron Leary
RT: Jeremy Parnell | Robert Turner
Defense: 25
DE: Demarcus Ware | Tank Carradine | Kyle Wilber
DT: Henry Melton | Brian Price
DT: Jason Hatcher | Sylvester Williams | Sean Lissemore
DE: Tyrone Crawford | Lawrence Sidbury
SLB: Philip Wheeler | Jelani Jenkis
MLB: Sean Lee | Alex Albright
WLB: Bruce Carter | Ernie Sims
CB: Brandon Carr | Orlando Scandrick | Darryl Morris
SS: Barry Church | Sterling Moore
FS: Matt Johnson | Josh Evans
CB: Morris Claiborne | Elbert Mack
Special Teams: 3
K: Dan Bailey
P: Chris Jones
LS: Charley Hughlett
Practice Squad:
1. Ben Bass, DE
2. Mitchell Gale, QB
3. Mike Catapano, DE
4. Caleb McSurdy, FB/LB
5. Zach Rogers, WR
6. Robert Callaway, DT
7. Jared Green, WR
8. Aderious Simmons, OT
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Tony7188
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| Texas_OutLaw7 wrote: | Free Agents:
The Draft:
Trade Down to the 24th overall pick and pick up a 3rd and a 7th
1. Jonathan Cooper, G, North Carolina
2. Sylvester Williams, DT, North Carolina
3. Tank Carradine, DE, Florida State
3. Christine Michael, RB, Texas A&M
4. Josh Evans, S, Florida
5. Jelani Jenkins, OLB, Florida
6. Matt Scott, QB, Arizona
7. Mychal Rivera, TE, Tennessee
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With the way Cooper performed at the combine and looks on film, I doubt he falls to the 18th pick let alone 24. Our biggest competition is with the Rams for Cooper and it would be shocking to see them passing on him twice.
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plan9misfit
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| Tony7188 wrote: | | Texas_OutLaw7 wrote: | Free Agents:
The Draft:
Trade Down to the 24th overall pick and pick up a 3rd and a 7th
1. Jonathan Cooper, G, North Carolina
2. Sylvester Williams, DT, North Carolina
3. Tank Carradine, DE, Florida State
3. Christine Michael, RB, Texas A&M
4. Josh Evans, S, Florida
5. Jelani Jenkins, OLB, Florida
6. Matt Scott, QB, Arizona
7. Mychal Rivera, TE, Tennessee
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With the way Cooper performed at the combine and looks on film, I doubt he falls to the 18th pick let alone 24. Our biggest competition is with the Rams for Cooper and it would be shocking to see them passing on him twice. |
He's an OG. He'll fall because teams don't value the position highly. People say this same silliness every year, and every year the OG falls in the draft.
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Texas_OutLaw7
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| Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2013 7:58 pm Post subject: |
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| Tony7188 wrote: | | Texas_OutLaw7 wrote: | Free Agents:
The Draft:
Trade Down to the 24th overall pick and pick up a 3rd and a 7th
1. Jonathan Cooper, G, North Carolina
2. Sylvester Williams, DT, North Carolina
3. Tank Carradine, DE, Florida State
3. Christine Michael, RB, Texas A&M
4. Josh Evans, S, Florida
5. Jelani Jenkins, OLB, Florida
6. Matt Scott, QB, Arizona
7. Mychal Rivera, TE, Tennessee
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With the way Cooper performed at the combine and looks on film, I doubt he falls to the 18th pick let alone 24. Our biggest competition is with the Rams for Cooper and it would be shocking to see them passing on him twice. |
I don't play the game "so and so won't be there." The reality is there are always surprises in the draft.
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cav_fan2
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Not sure if you guys ever check out Draftek, but they had a pretty sweet first 3 rounds for Dallas I thought...
1. Jonathan Cooper, OG
2. Kawann Short, DT
3. Menelik Watson, OT
4. Cornelius Washington, DE (TJ McDonald, DJ Swearinger and a ton of RB's including Christine Michael (*COUGH, COUGH...FFMD GUYS!!)
5. Sanders Commings, CB (Shamarko Thomas, Jelani Jenkins, David Quessenberry all went after)
6. Michael Williams, TE (Dallas Thomas, Matt Scott, and Everett Dawkins all went after)
Rounds 4-6 could have been better and, not to mention, they didn't have Dallas grabbing a safety at all in the draft. But the first 3 rounds I liked quite a bit...
*Again, been a while since I read all the forum rules, but I don't want to link anything if thats not allowed, and I'm only listing Dallas' picks and not the entire draft*
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WizardHawk
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| plan9misfit wrote: | | Tony7188 wrote: | | Texas_OutLaw7 wrote: | Free Agents:
The Draft:
Trade Down to the 24th overall pick and pick up a 3rd and a 7th
1. Jonathan Cooper, G, North Carolina
2. Sylvester Williams, DT, North Carolina
3. Tank Carradine, DE, Florida State
3. Christine Michael, RB, Texas A&M
4. Josh Evans, S, Florida
5. Jelani Jenkins, OLB, Florida
6. Matt Scott, QB, Arizona
7. Mychal Rivera, TE, Tennessee
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With the way Cooper performed at the combine and looks on film, I doubt he falls to the 18th pick let alone 24. Our biggest competition is with the Rams for Cooper and it would be shocking to see them passing on him twice. |
He's an OG. He'll fall because teams don't value the position highly. People say this same silliness every year, and every year the OG falls in the draft. |
I don't disagree with the notice at all and history backs it up, but someone will crack and make an OG a top 12 pick. Maybe not this year, but at some point the value of protecting your QB is going to override the typical draft value of an OG. Warmack and Cooper just may be good enough to do that.
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Broaddus said last night that Cooper was rated higher after the Combine, and would know more after Alabama pro day if he thought Warmack would be there at 18. HIs gut thinks that Warmack or Johnson will be there at 18, but feels that Cowboys are going DL in the first if he had to guess.
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