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Spartica4Real
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| LionsFTW wrote: | | DreDay80 wrote: | | Spartica4Real wrote: | | DreDay80 wrote: | | If Andre Johnson is a tier 2 receiver, then Marques Colston is a tier 50 receiver. |
Uhhhhh, no. Colston is not far behind Andre. |
In your world: He's not.
In the real world/reality: Yes he is.
Give Andre Drew Brees and he's putting up 1.9k yards just like Calvin. |
Oh Gawd. You people need to stop. |
Yeah, you can't take away from Calvin. By the time he's hanging them up, he'll be the GOAT. Sorry Jerry.. move over Calvin's coming.
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Spartica4Real
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| Posted: Sun Feb 24, 2013 4:06 am Post subject: |
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| FalconFan13 wrote: | | Spartica4Real wrote: | | FalconFan13 wrote: | So your saying roddy is part of the system in every different offense he has been put in? You do realize since 2007 he has put up 1150+ yards and 6+ td's EVERY YEAR. No matter who the QB was or what scheme he was in. Then you add in he is probably one of the top 5 blocking WR's in the nfl on top of everything else he does as a WR.
I'll even put it this way since 2007 Colston vs Roddy is no comparison.
Roddy has played with a top 10 QB in a run 1st offense compared to Colston who has had a top 3 QB in a pass 1st offense and STILL out played him in almost every year since then.
As of right now Roddy is still the best Wr on the Falcons. Although Julio isn't to far behind and julio's upside is much higher than roddy's in the long run. Which is scary considering roddy has been a top 5 WR for a few years now. |
I'm not saying that's all he is. Or I wouldn't put him in top 10. He's a great receiver, I just don't like him as much as Colston. Maybe I haven't seen enough of Roddy, but:
Colston is better at going up for the ball, uses his size to get GREAT leverage over corners, one of the best route runners in the game, has great hands (as does Roddy), all in all they're both great receivers, and I'd love them both on my team, but Roddy is also not a top 5 WR.
In a league with Megatron, AJ Green, Julio, Andre Johnson, Brandon Marshall, Reggie Wayne, etc. White is not top 5.
Before you jump all on me and say I'm selling White short, before Julio came around, he was in a pass-happy (with Ryan) offense and the only good WR. (to my knowledge)
White is great, as is Colston. |
Im not knocking colston at all as i have considered colston a top WR for awhile now.
But i think your just taking this season and this season alone into consideration when talking about top Wr's. Roddy before this year although he beasted this year too. Was considered a top 5 Wr on most peoples Wr list when they done them on this site. I think and correct me if im wrong but he has more yards over the last 4 or 5 years as a WR than any WR in that span?
Also if your saying a pass happy offense as the falcons then before this year which we are now you would be wrong. Under Mike Murlarky we were a really strong run 1st offense. |
Ah. In that case, can't take anything away from him.
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DreDay80
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| Posted: Sun Feb 24, 2013 4:08 am Post subject: |
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| LionsFTW wrote: | | DreDay80 wrote: | | Spartica4Real wrote: | | DreDay80 wrote: | | If Andre Johnson is a tier 2 receiver, then Marques Colston is a tier 50 receiver. |
Uhhhhh, no. Colston is not far behind Andre. |
In your world: He's not.
In the real world/reality: Yes he is.
Give Andre Drew Brees and he's putting up 1.9k yards just like Calvin. |
Oh Gawd. You people need to stop. |
Andre just put up 1600 yards with Matt Schaub on 40 less targets than Calvin. It's not a stretch at all and it's VERY possible. |
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Spartica4Real
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| DreDay80 wrote: | | LionsFTW wrote: | | DreDay80 wrote: | | Spartica4Real wrote: | | DreDay80 wrote: | | If Andre Johnson is a tier 2 receiver, then Marques Colston is a tier 50 receiver. |
Uhhhhh, no. Colston is not far behind Andre. |
In your world: He's not.
In the real world/reality: Yes he is.
Give Andre Drew Brees and he's putting up 1.9k yards just like Calvin. |
Oh Gawd. You people need to stop. |
Andre just put up 1600 yards with Matt Schaub on 40 less targets than Calvin. It's not a stretch at all and it's VERY possible. |
No one cares about targets, the question is how many CATCHES? Tron had more no doubt, but how much more.
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Harper41
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| powderblues wrote: | Wow some serious trolling going on here... Colston better than Vincent Jackson? LOL.
VJax is making Freeman look good. Meanwhile Colston can't even get similar stats with Brees throwing him the ball.
He is not even a top 15 WR, end of discussion. He's just slightly above the level of Malcom Floyd who is a top 25 WR. |
VJax also has the benefit of being spoon fed the ball, while Brees spreads it around. I'm not saying Colstons better, but him saying he's better than VJax is no worse than you calling Colston "slightly" better than Malcolm Floyd 
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| Simply, no. |
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Malik
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| Posted: Sun Feb 24, 2013 11:13 am Post subject: |
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| Spartica4Real wrote: | | DreDay80 wrote: | | LionsFTW wrote: | | DreDay80 wrote: | | Spartica4Real wrote: | | DreDay80 wrote: | | If Andre Johnson is a tier 2 receiver, then Marques Colston is a tier 50 receiver. |
Uhhhhh, no. Colston is not far behind Andre. |
In your world: He's not.
In the real world/reality: Yes he is.
Give Andre Drew Brees and he's putting up 1.9k yards just like Calvin. |
Oh Gawd. You people need to stop. |
Andre just put up 1600 yards with Matt Schaub on 40 less targets than Calvin. It's not a stretch at all and it's VERY possible. |
No one cares about targets, the question is how many CATCHES? Tron had more no doubt, but how much more. |
Everyone cares about targets. You can't have the same amount of catches if one guy gets more targets. :/
115 (1575)
101 (1569)
112 (1598)
Calvin Johnson's highest is 122. |
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detroitroar
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Better IMO:
CJ
Andre
Fitz
Steve Smith
AJ Green
Julio Jones
Roddy White
Welker
Marshall
Crabtree
Harvin
Nicks
Cruz
Jackson
Jennings
Could be more. Id say Colston is somewhere in the 20's.
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slocie
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Marques Colston is one of the best and most consistent receivers in the NFL today. Except in 2008 (he was injured that year), this guy has had 1,000 yard receiving season EVERY YEAR he's been in the league. That's mind-boggling, and he's a 7th round draft pick at that. Elite receiver. And he's won a championship.
Great team player and is a guy worth watching. He deserves a Pro Bowl/All-Pro nod. |
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navysaintsfan
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| powderblues wrote: | | VJax is making Freeman look good. Meanwhile Colston can't even get similar stats with Brees throwing him the ball. |
Not a good argument when you compare the receivers on both teams. Tampa doesn't exactly have the kind of WR corp that allows you to spread the ball around like NO's does.
That being said, Colston is criminally underrated. Is he Top 10, no. I don't think so. Top 20, yes. Maybe even Top 15. He has had some of the most consistent production for a WR from his very first game on. 1000+ yards every season with the exception of his 4th season where he only played around 7-8 games I believe. But is he Top 10 worthy, you can make a very vague argument for him, but I don't think a good one.
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tylerdouglass
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| Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2013 1:39 pm Post subject: |
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| navysaintsfan wrote: | | powderblues wrote: | | VJax is making Freeman look good. Meanwhile Colston can't even get similar stats with Brees throwing him the ball. |
Not a good argument when you compare the receivers on both teams. Tampa doesn't exactly have the kind of WR corp that allows you to spread the ball around like NO's does.
That being said, Colston is criminally underrated. Is he Top 10, no. I don't think so. Top 20, yes. Maybe even Top 15. He has had some of the most consistent production for a WR from his very first game on. 1000+ yards every season with the exception of his 4th season where he only played around 7-8 games I believe. But is he Top 10 worthy, you can make a very vague argument for him, but I don't think a good one. |
Exactly as I would've said it.
Top 10? No, unless you're really making a weak argument.
Top 15? You could make an argument.
Top 20? Absolutely.
He is very underrated, but not top 10.
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| He hasn't put up top 10 numbers but I do think he has top 10 potential. If he was the focal point of the offense then he'd have more of a case, but I think we just spread the ball around too much for him to show it. |
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fortdetroit
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| DreDay80 wrote: | | LionsFTW wrote: | | DreDay80 wrote: | | Spartica4Real wrote: | | DreDay80 wrote: | | If Andre Johnson is a tier 2 receiver, then Marques Colston is a tier 50 receiver. |
Uhhhhh, no. Colston is not far behind Andre. |
In your world: He's not.
In the real world/reality: Yes he is.
Give Andre Drew Brees and he's putting up 1.9k yards just like Calvin. |
Oh Gawd. You people need to stop. |
Andre just put up 1600 yards with Matt Schaub on 40 less targets than Calvin. It's not a stretch at all and it's VERY possible. |
Andre also has the benefit of some serious play action in Houston to keep the defense on their heels and help get him open. I can't imagine what Calvin could have put up with a good/productive running game and hence play action to work off of. |
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Slaymont Harris
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| navysaintsfan wrote: | Tampa doesn't exactly have the kind of WR corp that allows you to spread the ball around like NO's does.
That being said, Colston is criminally underrated. Is he Top 10, no. I don't think so. Top 20, yes. Maybe even Top 15. He has had some of the most consistent production for a WR from his very first game on. 1000+ yards every season with the exception of his 4th season where he only played around 7-8 games I believe. But is he Top 10 worthy, you can make a very vague argument for him, but I don't think a good one. |
Pretty much my thoughts. I like Colston a lot, but wouldn't put him in the top 10. |
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Matts4313
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Id say Colston is in the ~10-15 range, in the NFC.
Tier 1:
Calvin Johnson
Tier 2:
Dez Bryant
Hakeem Nicks
Brandon Marshall
Julio Jones
Roddy White
Larry Fitzgerald
Tier 3:
Victor Cruz
Vincent Jackson
Greg Jennings
Tier 4:
M. Colston
M Austin
S Smith
J Maclin
D Jackson
P Garcon
Jordy Nelson
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